I'm leaving.

[Dark Capitalist]

Goodbye.

[elijahcraig]

http://www.mid-stream.org/images/PRAISE-GOD.jpg

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 11:02 PM
http://www.mid-stream.org/images/PRAISE-GOD.jpg
HAHA! That's the funniest thing ever...

Besides "Ass and Titties" anyway..

[Inti]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 05:59 AM
Goodbye.
chau

[White_Knight]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 05:02 AM
http://www.mid-stream.org/images/PRAISE-GOD.jpg
True. Jesus' blood blessed us with eternal life.

[elijahcraig]

If you consider rotting in the ground "eternal".

[White_Knight]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 05:33 AM
If you consider rotting in the ground "eternal".
Nope, that is only temporary. On the day of judgement, the dead shall rise. Eternal is heaven or hell.

[elijahcraig]

wasn’t aware moronic posts like that could be made. You’ve reached a new low.

[Dark Capitalist]

No wait, scratch that. I'm staying.


But first, I want to apologize for anyone I may have offended. I want to apologize to La Rainbeaux, Hampton, Umoja, COMRADE RAF, elijahcraig, Dhul Fiqar, rastafari, and canikickit.

I am a fool and an idiot. Those comments I made about 'negroes' were purposely made to rile you guys up. For the last month I've been deliberately trying to distance myself from this board and it's members as my ideology moved further to the authoritarian right. I was wrong in wanting to abandon this community.


Please accept my most humblest apologies. I will not make anymore racialist or fascist comments, and I will keep all derogatory imagery out of my avatar and sig.


Even though it is probably too late, I am sorry.

[elijahcraig]

:lol:

[Dark Capitalist]

I'm pathetic.

[elijahcraig]

Yes, you sure are making a grand stride through the will to power.

[Dark Capitalist]

Yes, I certainly am.

[Kapitan Andrey]

Dark Capitalist...ma-a-an...you&#39;re suck&#33; <_<

Of course I&#39;m happy to know, that you dropped racism and fascism.

But this self-abaissement...Ha-ha-ha&#33;&#33;&#33;

What are you trying to do&#33;? To be un-restricted&#33;? :lol:

[Vinny Rafarino]

You were indeed getting out of order DC. Apology accepted, that is of course unless this is a scam.


I&#39;m not sure who you got tied into but let me be the first one to say, Nazi&#39;s only want you do do their dirty work. Once you get nicked and are thrown in jail, you will be treated like a dog, and used as a *****. They have no use for you when you are on the inside and will simply cast you aside while the inmates rape you on a daily basis.

Being a conservative capitalist is one thing DC, but to advocate fascism and national socialism is another. It will be a same if you continue down that path of filth.

[Ian]

Wow an effusive apology and a backflip from DC&#33; Has the world gone mad?

We spotted your tactic by the way, the use of fasces was a dead give-away.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 06:13 AM
No wait, scratch that. I&#39;m staying.


But first, I want to apologize for anyone I may have offended. I want to apologize to La Rainbeaux, Hampton, Umoja, COMRADE RAF, elijahcraig, Dhul Fiqar, rastafari, and canikickit.

I am a fool and an idiot. Those comments I made about &#39;negroes&#39; were purposely made to rile you guys up. For the last month I&#39;ve been deliberately trying to distance myself from this board and it&#39;s members as my ideology moved further to the authoritarian right. I was wrong in wanting to abandon this community.


Please accept my most humblest apologies. I will not make anymore racialist or fascist comments, and I will keep all derogatory imagery out of my avatar and sig.


Even though it is probably too late, I am sorry.
Translation : My Account Got Hacked

[Felicia]

Originally posted by White_Knight+Sep 10 2003, 02:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (White_Knight @ Sep 10 2003, 02:41 AM)
[email protected] 10 2003, 05:33 AM
If you consider rotting in the ground "eternal".
Nope, that is only temporary. On the day of judgement, the dead shall rise. Eternal is heaven or hell. [/b]
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHA&#39;

I don&#39;t know whether to laugh at this, or cry because someone actually believes it...... bahahahah

Dark Capitalist

I&#39;m glad you&#39;ve decided to stay. :)

But you&#39;re probably making this apology because someone informed you about something going on in the closed forum, hmmm? haaahhaah :lol:

[Legends]

DC, to be honest no matter what your excuse is you should never say racists remarks, even though the word "nigger" is still used today it does not mean you can use it in a insulting/Racist/provoking way.

I say give him a chance and see what happens, if he continues with his racists comments then ban him.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 02:18 AM
I&#39;m pathetic.
Probably the only thing you&#39;ve said here that I actually agree with.

Nice try.

[Hampton]

http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/callsomeonecares-DirkPhoenix.jpg

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Hey, comardes, he apologized. I think we should accept his apology. He is one of the last remaining capitalists who haven&#39;t been brutaly ostracized. He is obviously no longer a fascist or a racist, forgive him. He&#39;s obviously not trying to be unrestricted, if he is, it won&#39;t work. I hope you&#39;re serious, DC, and I am glad you&#39;re not leaving, I am even more glad to you are no longer a racist and a fascist, I hope you&#39;re serious about that too.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 12:51 PM
http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/callsomeonecares-DirkPhoenix.jpg
:lol:


It is funny but you know, some of the most devout communists were those that had "epiphanies" at a young age...


Come into the light DC......come into the light.....

[Desert Fox]

Ok, whoever hacked DC&#39;s acc, quit it already :P

[Dark Capitalist]

First off, I never was a fascist to begin with. What I am is a Western Imperialist. I believe the nations of the Western world should be united under one large global empire. I believe voluntary racial segregation is a fundamentally good idea. I believe in the legalization of marijuana, hash, mushrooms and other illicit drugs of their type. I believe in restricted yet legal abortion. I support the deportation of certain cultural groups which may threaten our power. I believe we should seal our borders off completely. I believe in corporatism with a heavy leaning towards free market capitalism. I believe in freedom of speech, press, property, and the right to bear arms.


I&#39;ll keep any comments which may be interpreted as &#39;racist&#39; or &#39;fascist&#39; to myself.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 06:58 PM
First off, I never was a fascist to begin with. What I am is a Western Imperialist. I believe the nations of the Western world should be united under one large global empire. I believe voluntary racial segregation is a fundamentally good idea. I believe in the legalization of marijuana, hash, mushrooms and other illicit drugs of their type. I believe in restricted yet legal abortion. I support the deportation of certain cultural groups which may threaten our power. I believe we should seal our borders off completely. I believe in corporatism with a heavy leaning towards free market capitalism. I believe in freedom of speech, press, property, and the right to bear arms.


I&#39;ll keep any comments which may be interpreted as &#39;racist&#39; or &#39;fascist&#39; to myself.
Offcourse you weren&#39;t a fascist, or else you would have been banned a long time ago ...

[Bianconero]

I believe the nations of the Western world should be united under one large global empire. I believe voluntary racial segregation is a fundamentally good idea. I believe in the legalization of marijuana, hash, mushrooms and other illicit drugs of their type. I believe in restricted yet legal abortion. I support the deportation of certain cultural groups which may threaten our power. I believe we should seal our borders off completely. I believe in corporatism with a heavy leaning towards free market capitalism. I believe in freedom of speech, press, property, and the right to bear arms.

You &#39;believe&#39; in many things then, don&#39;t you? I can only guess how old you are, but your &#39;I&#39;m leaving, I&#39;m not leaving, please forgive me&#39; - show is ridiculous and not very creative. Your &#39;beliefs&#39; are nothing special, the left has dealt with it for many years. You are not impressing anyone, so leave now to keep at least that little bit of respect some might have for you.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 02:18 PM
I&#39;m pathetic.
You make my dick hard when you talk like that ;)

--- G.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 01:58 PM
I support the deportation of certain cultural groups which may threaten our power.
hey&#33; you didn&#39;t appologize to me? :o lol

but seriously, look again at your post.

[Urban Rubble]

Why the fuck does this moron Desert Fox keep claiming DC&#39;s account was hacked ? He admitted that it wasn&#39;t, he admitted they were his comments.

Goddamn man, I thought that was pretty clear.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Dhul Fiqar+Sep 10 2003, 04:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dhul Fiqar @ Sep 10 2003, 04:26 PM)
Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 02:18 PM
I&#39;m pathetic.
You make my dick hard when you talk like that ;)

--- G. [/b]
GGGGGAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHHHBAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHA HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
GOOD ONE COMARDE&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Umoja]

Apology excepted.

And white knight, didn&#39;t you read the bible? When you die you ascend up to heaven, and God and his crazy henchmen force you back into a body, unless you&#39;ve read the bible well enough to know the secret passwords to get by them and totally stop existing.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 06:58 PM
First off, I never was a fascist to begin with. What I am is a Western Imperialist. I believe the nations of the Western world should be united under one large global empire. I believe voluntary racial segregation is a fundamentally good idea. I believe in the legalization of marijuana, hash, mushrooms and other illicit drugs of their type. I believe in restricted yet legal abortion. I support the deportation of certain cultural groups which may threaten our power. I believe we should seal our borders off completely. I believe in corporatism with a heavy leaning towards free market capitalism. I believe in freedom of speech, press, property, and the right to bear arms.


I&#39;ll keep any comments which may be interpreted as &#39;racist&#39; or &#39;fascist&#39; to myself.
I take back my words to you DC.


I see you have not changed your fascist ideology but have simply made a hot-air apology as to not get banned. You admit to being a separatist. Separatism is a fundamental belief that coulour distictions make it so people cannot live together in harmony due to genetic "differences". (i&#39;m being nice when I say differences jackass)


Famous "separatist" organisations;

The KKK
The National Front
The National Socialist Party
Aryan Brotherhood
The NOI


Famous Separatists;

David Duke
Louie Farrakan
Tom Metzger
Louis Beam
William Pierce (Author of the Turner Diaries)
Adold Hitler
George C. Wallace (Governor of Alabama 1963 the "segregation now, segregation forever" *****)


You are in fine company DC. Fuck off.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 11 2003, 12:39 AM
Why the fuck does this moron Desert Fox keep claiming DC&#39;s account was hacked ? He admitted that it wasn&#39;t, he admitted they were his comments.

Goddamn man, I thought that was pretty clear.
Because if you would say now : Communism sucks. Every commie in this forum would think your acc is hacked. People don&#39;t change in a matter of days, it takes years :lol:

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 10 2003, 03:58 PM
First off, I never was a fascist to begin with. What I am is a Western Imperialist. I believe the nations of the Western world should be united under one large global empire. I believe voluntary racial segregation is a fundamentally good idea. I believe in the legalization of marijuana, hash, mushrooms and other illicit drugs of their type. I believe in restricted yet legal abortion. I support the deportation of certain cultural groups which may threaten our power. I believe we should seal our borders off completely. I believe in corporatism with a heavy leaning towards free market capitalism. I believe in freedom of speech, press, property, and the right to bear arms.


I&#39;ll keep any comments which may be interpreted as &#39;racist&#39; or &#39;fascist&#39; to myself.
western imperialist................ use the words "US imperialist" please. Canada isn&#39;t into that shit, thankyou.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 10:04 AM
Hey, comardes, he apologized. I think we should accept his apology. He is one of the last remaining capitalists who haven&#39;t been brutaly ostracized. He is obviously no longer a fascist or a racist, forgive him. He&#39;s obviously not trying to be unrestricted, if he is, it won&#39;t work. I hope you&#39;re serious, DC, and I am glad you&#39;re not leaving, I am even more glad to you are no longer a racist and a fascist, I hope you&#39;re serious about that too.
god. What a keener to the right you are&#33;

that makes me sick.

[Bianconero]

western imperialist................ use the words "US imperialist" please. Canada isn&#39;t into that shit, thankyou.

What do you mean &#39;Canada isn&#39;t into that shit&#39;?

[Guest1]

meaning we ain&#39;t joining his little fascist club.

[Urban Rubble]

Well, you helped in Afghanistan. Or was that only Imperialism on the U.S&#39;s part ?

[caliban]

we helped there because everybody realizes how bad the US fucked it up, and instead of leaving the civilian population at the mercy of a bunch of fucking rapist jarheads, staying out is not really an option any more. the people need to be helped while the big green machine runs off to chase its own shadow again. you sure are good at making big holes in the ground but when it comes to liberating or helping a country, stay the fuck home because all you see are evil little eyes staring out from every window. by the way Canada has more credibility in the world than the US because you see, we wait until our help is asked for we don&#39;t just assume that because a country is different from us they are in URGENT need of liberation. don&#39;t get me wrong, l am not bashing the american people, because l do have several american friends, l just think that your government has been leading you around like a blind man with a rabid guide dog.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I accept the spirit if not the letter of his apology...
I still think you&#39;re an imperialistic fuck DC, but you have been acting
like a (very) little prick and you can see that and now you have apologised for
stepping over the line.
you have risen above your previous &#39;despicable&#39; rating to &#39;contemptuous&#39;
Well Done DC, keep up the good work&#33;

-NoX

[革命者]

seperatist fascist or not, at least you have a ideology, DC.

And Victorcommie, have you leaked information concerning DC from the CC, just to keep a "cappie"in OI?

I don`t think DC has to leave-- we`ll make clear to him that seperatism will never work.

i think most ppl just familiarizing with politics and philosophies and rebelious thoughts, etc will find in seperatism
something we should consider-- not because we`re better then others, but just cause we`re different.

Most will dismiss it as utter nonesense in a fraction of a second, but some, maybe due to their age will keep the idea back in their minds, and find their theories becoming rather trendy if some president talks about Muslim ppl like they were beasts--

he`ll get over it.

I rather have Nazi scum then fucking Conservatives.... i am dead serious. :angry:

[Bianconero]

meaning we ain&#39;t joining his little fascist club.

If that is supposed to mean that Canada is not an imperialist power, than you are wrong, blinded, whatever. Canada is guilty as hell, get over it. The lone fact that they are a trading partner of the U.S., of the E.U. and of Japan makes then guilty. I hate it when people try to deny their country&#39;s guilt because of some pathetic sense of patriotism.

[Urban Rubble]

"l just think that your government has been leading you around like a blind man with a rabid guide dog. "

I agree, my government is horrible. It is one of the most bloody, Imperialistic governments the world has ever seen. I just think it&#39;s funny how all you Canadian Nationalists think Canada is SO much better. Sure, Canada is far less of a problem than we are, but you guys are not perfect. You have done Imperialistic things and you are a Capitalist government.

Caliban, so you&#39;re justifying Afghanistan by saying that Canada was just there to protect people from the U.S ? God, that is fucking ridiculous. I knew you nationalists would stretch pretty far to justify what your country has done, but that is amazing.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Indeed comrade Rubble.

That was what we call "reaching".

[Soul Rebel]

Im going to fucking shoot myself if this Canada-vs-US shit continues. Its getting old and pissing everyone off. Fucking snap out of it people- just drop it. Nobody is going to win the arguement. Each of you feels differently so get over it. Why continue, everyday, in every forum, arguing over the same thing?

[Goldfinger]

Ok, that&#39;s it people, stop it now&#33; Don&#39;t make Señora Che shoot herself, pretty please&#33;

[Soul Rebel]

Tehe- you totally threw me off there. I had no clue who you were&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Why the name change?

[Urban Rubble]

Well, just to prove a point, look at who started it. Someone said Westerm Imperialism and Felicia told them not to say that because Canada is not Imperialistic. Let&#39;s ignore the fact that Canada IS Imperialistic and just focus on the fact that she felt the need to bring that into a topic that had nothing at all to do with that.

But I agree, I&#39;m sick of it to. Don&#39;t worry, she almost never posts in political forums. She probably won&#39;t see this and we can let it die.

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 10:12 PM
Tehe- you totally threw me off there. I had no clue who you were&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Why the name change?
quicker than a sex change and it&#39;s free

[Vinny Rafarino]

USA= poop
Canada= poop
UK= poop
Every other capitalist nation= poop

I&#39;m an equal opportunity pooper.


Can we all have group sex now?

[Bianconero]

I wonder how one can actually be that blind to say Canada &#39;is not imperialist.&#39; Ridiculous.

[Urban Rubble]

I know, but don&#39;t let them hear you say that or you will be called an American Nationalist.

RAF, if we&#39;re going to have group sex we need to find some women. Everyone knows Canadian chicks are hairy =).

[Bianconero]

or you will be called an American Nationalist

American Nationalist, eh? That would be new, at least.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 12 2003, 06:40 PM
Well, just to prove a point, look at who started it. Someone said Westerm Imperialism and Felicia told them not to say that because Canada is not Imperialistic. Let&#39;s ignore the fact that Canada IS Imperialistic and just focus on the fact that she felt the need to bring that into a topic that had nothing at all to do with that.

But I agree, I&#39;m sick of it to. Don&#39;t worry, she almost never posts in political forums. She probably won&#39;t see this and we can let it die.
what the fuck is your problem&#33;&#33;&#33;???

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT MMY NAME INTO EVERY GOD DAMN THING YOU SAY, JUST SO YOU CAN START A FLAME WAR???&#33;&#33;&#33;

I said we aren&#39;t INTO THAT SHIT. So when he says he supports western imperialism, I&#39;d appreciate it if he said american imperialism. I don&#39;t see canada controlling any foreign countries as of late.

HE&#39;S american, so he can speak from his american point of view, not canada&#39;s

bugger off


RAF, if we&#39;re going to have group sex we need to find some women. Everyone knows Canadian chicks are hairy

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM???&#33;&#33;&#33; You make me sick with all this shit you&#39;re trying to start with me.

Oh well, lets get some foreigners, everyone knows american skater boys have small dicks. That&#39;s why they wear big pants, so you can&#39;t tell.....hell, you might aswell stay home rubble, unless you want to be our comedic entertainment.

I hope that one hurt your fragile male ego&#33;

*to the rest of the che-lives male community and other "skaters" *

I truely mean no offense to you by that last insult to rubble. It is an insensitive remark towards males, and one that I would never make, nor care much about in the first place. My apologies if I have offended anyone. :(

[Dark Capitalist]

It doesn&#39;t really matter wether the Canadian government is "into that shit" or not if you get what I&#39;m saying ;)

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 10:20 PM

or you will be called an American Nationalist

American Nationalist, eh? That would be new, at least.
Well I don&#39;t think anyone wants to go that extreme, to have one language is such a big country.

[Vinny Rafarino]

RAF, if we&#39;re going to have group sex we need to find some women. Everyone knows Canadian chicks are hairy =).



:lol:



Good business mate....Let&#39;s see...we need some chicks.....Desert fox, wot you doin later bebe?


We can have little DC for later....get him all ready for prison.

[Dark Capitalist]

I don&#39;t plan on ever going to prison.

[Vinny Rafarino]

BEN DOVER&#33;



-Fletch II

[Sasafrás]

^&#036;#@&#33;&#036;%*^@#*^#&#036;@&#33;

Victorcommie is in no way a "keener" to the right, nor has he "leaked" any information from the CC concerning DC. Stop riding his fucking dick and leave him alone.


:angry:


~ S.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Sasafrá[email protected] 13 2003, 06:04 AM
^&#036;#@&#33;&#036;%*^@#*^#&#036;@&#33;

Victorcommie is in no way a "keener" to the right, nor has he "leaked" any information from the CC concerning DC. Stop riding his fucking dick and leave him alone.


:angry:


~ S.
yeah, he&#39;s a keener to the right.

I didn&#39;t say it was HIM, personally, that leaked the information (if there was a leak at all) I just made implications that it was possible. I just said that DC must have heard there was shit goin down in the CC, that&#39;s all&#33;&#33; jeesh&#33; calm down, eh&#33;

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 13 2003, 08:15 AM

RAF, if we&#39;re going to have group sex we need to find some women. Everyone knows Canadian chicks are hairy =).



:lol:



Good business mate....Let&#39;s see...we need some chicks.....Desert fox, wot you doin later bebe?


We can have little DC for later....get him all ready for prison.
Well first I will get a beer with my bro Pol. Then I am going to watch trigun. Then train a bit, taking a shower. And around 20.00 I will get my girl and we gonna grab some dinner, movie. And then I will see how it goes. Do you want to join us ?

[Guest1]

god dammit, this is getting rediculous. do you even know the meaning of imperialism?

Imperialism
Im*pe"ri*al*ism, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.

I don&#39;t see Canada aquiring new territories through war. Hell, it isn&#39;t a perfect government, and is definitely ruled by an elite looking out for their own interests. but your rediculous barrage of attacks is about non-existant imperialism and not the problem of capitalism. You can stop attacking felicia now.

and for your information, I am not a Canadian, so this is not patriotism on my part.

[hawarameen]

Why this fussin an fightin?

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 13 2003, 08:19 PM
god dammit, this is getting rediculous. do you even know the meaning of imperialism?

Imperialism
Im*pe"ri*al*ism, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.

I don&#39;t see Canada aquiring new territories through war. Hell, it isn&#39;t a perfect government, and is definitely ruled by an elite looking out for their own interests. but your rediculous barrage of attacks is about non-existant imperialism and not the problem of capitalism. You can stop attacking felicia now.

and for your information, I am not a Canadian, so this is not patriotism on my part.
that&#39;s what I keep saying to this bastard.

You should come into the "a word on canadian imperialism" thread in politics. It&#39;s fucking stupid. We have no satellites of our own, we control NO COUNTRY. I don&#39;t get this shit that rubble is trying to "prove", with doesn&#39;t exist the way he thinks it does.

He thinks that us peacekeeping in Iraq is canadian imperialism&#33; :lol:

[Bianconero]

I&#39;m not sure whether it matters if Canada is directly part of the imperialist attack against the Iraqi people, the lone fact that there is a capitalist (which includes social democrats, liberals or greens by the way) government in charge proves my point. Furthermore, they are a trading partner of the United States and of Europe. Being a trading partner of these imperialist powers, they clearly take profit from the exploitation of the third world. I have no idea how anyone could possibly deny this. Canada is guilty as Nazi Germany was, today&#39;s Europe is and as the United States are etc.

[Guest1]

the point is not that it is innocent, you still refuse to read my posts before replying. I said clearly that it is a guilty capitalist, elitist government, the point is it is not imperialist. and to attack felicia like this is stupid.

[Dark Capitalist]

I&#39;m talking about completely destroying all the governments of the Western nations and uniting all their peoples under ONE EMPIRE. It doesn&#39;t fucking matter what the current status of Canada&#39;s foreign policy is. Canada won&#39;t exist as we know it.

[Bianconero]

Canada is capitalist, which means that their ruling class is in power. The same applies for the United States of America, for Europe etc. In my counting, you can compare Canada to Alaska, just to get my point straight. Is Alaska &#39;into that shit&#39; directly, no. But they are part of the &#39;United States of Imperialism&#39; (if you know what I mean), so is Canada. That is what I meant. I don&#39;t feel the need to discuss this issue further.

edit:


I&#39;m talking about completely destroying all the governments of the Western nations and uniting all their peoples under ONE EMPIRE. It doesn&#39;t fucking matter what the current status of Canada&#39;s foreign policy is. Canada won&#39;t exist as we know it.

That kid just proved my point. &#39;One Empire&#39;, that says it all. Thanks for your assistance, &#39;Dark Capitalist&#39;, I appreciate it. In spite of this, you have to die. HAR.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 14 2003, 02:08 AM
I&#39;m talking about completely destroying all the governments of the Western nations and uniting all their peoples under ONE EMPIRE. It doesn&#39;t fucking matter what the current status of Canada&#39;s foreign policy is. Canada won&#39;t exist as we know it.
Does that include Japan?

Or are you Pan-Aryan?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 13 2003, 08:55 PM
the point is not that it is innocent, you still refuse to read my posts before replying. I said clearly that it is a guilty capitalist, elitist government, the point is it is not imperialist. and to attack felicia like this is stupid.
This is ignorance, comarde. Canada, being influenced greatly by its companies, works to maintain its power of capital in the third world, where many of the Canadian comapnies I mentioned before have invested in human labor as well as resources. You ought to read UR&#39;s article on Canadian imperialism. Canada, like RAf and otehrs here have said, is just as guilty of imperialism as the U&#036;. It is not as wealthy as the U&#036;, and the government may do a better job of placing restrictions upon its oppressive corporations, but nonetheless, it is a major capitalist power in the world today. I am not attacking felicia, if she wants to take this as a personal insult, she may, but frankly I don&#39;t care. And please, felicia, this thraed is not a flame thread.

[Guest1]

Fuck, this is rediculous, like I said, you didn&#39;t read my post. You can&#39;t call just anything imperialism. It is a specific type of aggressive global foreign policy. VERY few nations in history could be called imperialist. The main ones (in not so chronogical order) would be Greece, Rome, the Islamic Empire, Spain, France, Portugal, Britain, Japan, Germany, Italy, the Ottoman Empire, America, USSR.

Once again, this is not to say that Canada is perfect or not controlled by the elite for the interests of corporations. or that it doesn&#39;t go into imperialist wars on the side of Imperialist nations, but that it is not in and of itself imperialist. that&#39;s the only point me and felicia disagree with you on. and I&#39;m afraid we&#39;re right. Imperialism doesn&#39;t mean just working for the interests of the rich, no matter how much you want it to, or how convenient it would be for your vendetta against felicia. Imperialism requires agressive wars, sattelite states, shadow ops to control foreign governments, on or more of those ways to have direct influence over territories, be it covert or overt. Of course, you&#39;re gonna ignore this post too and call it ignorance.

I&#39;m afraid you&#39;re the ignorant one, now stop throwing around words where they don&#39;t belong and fucking use a dictionary:

Imperialism
Im*pe"ri*al*ism, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 14 2003, 02:08 AM
I&#39;m talking about completely destroying all the governments of the Western nations and uniting all their peoples under ONE EMPIRE. It doesn&#39;t fucking matter what the current status of Canada&#39;s foreign policy is. Canada won&#39;t exist as we know it.
Well then first we would have to remove all those foreigners :ph34r:

[Felicia]

Imperialism requires agressive wars, sattelite states, shadow ops to control foreign governments, on or more of those ways to have direct influence over territories, be it covert or overt. Of course, you&#39;re gonna ignore this post too and call it ignorance.

Which is exactly what canada doesn&#39;t have, or does.We don&#39;t control or influence any land that isn&#39;t ours. Our military hasn&#39;t been in countries with the purpose of gaining control over them and influencing their policies.

Canada is hardly imperialistic, not nearly in the way the US is. If they choose to say that canada is just as bad (and rubble has been trying to say that) than there are some serious issues that they need to deal with. Wasn&#39;t the Philipines under US control (still is?)? What about all those latin american countries that the US is strong in and has too much influence? Colombia, mexico...... puerto rico.

Who do we have a strong influence on? Any country, name one please, because I&#39;m having trouble finding one. Canada is Cuba largest trading partner and 90% of their tourists are Canadian...... there&#39;s Canadian Imperialism at work, yup, trying to help a socialist country stay afloat. :blink:

[Bianconero]

If the United States wouldn&#39;t defend their own and Canada&#39;s economic interests in the third world, Canada simply would. Where&#39;s the difference?

Maybe Canada doesn&#39;t fit into that definition you looked up, &#39;Che y M.&#39;, but this is of no relevance. They are guilty as the United States are. Point. Actually, Canada aswell as other countries of the western world are hiding behind the United States.

It is now a matter of definition.

[Guest1]

Yes, yes it is. But I&#39;m a college debater. You can stop slaughtering words now.

And now you&#39;re talking theoretically. If Canada was the top dog in the world, it would be Imperialistic. I agree. But it&#39;s not. The US is. And we&#39;re talking in reality. In reality, it can&#39;t be as guilty. Sure, it is guilty, but nowhere near as guilty as that democracy-busting monstrosity of an Empire.

So don&#39;t switch to slaughtering facts.

[Bianconero]

The United States are not &#39;top dog&#39; of the world, the western world is. Which includes Canada, Europe etc. Just because the bourgeois says that Canada, the U.S.A. and Europe are all but the same, it&#39;s not the truth. They are all, just to quote my friend &#39;Dark Capitalist&#39;, one empire. Canada is part of that empire.


But I&#39;m a college debater.

Sounds important.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Che y marijuana, first of all, there is no vandetta againt felicia, comrade. Is there, perhaps, a way that we can talk about Canada while not talking about felicia?

Canada is imperialistic because it works internationaly to manipulate the world market, yielding the world-market to Canadian multi-nationals. Again, read Urban&#39;s article on Canadian imperialism, you too, felicia, because it gives specific examples of Canada&#39;s imperialistic actions.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 12:56 PM
Che y marijuana, first of all, there is no vandetta againt felicia, comrade. Is there, perhaps, a way that we can talk about Canada while not talking about felicia?

Canada is imperialistic because it works internationaly to manipulate the world market, yielding the world-market to Canadian multi-nationals. Again, read Urban&#39;s article on Canadian imperialism, you too, felicia, because it gives specific examples of Canada&#39;s imperialistic actions.
It wouldn&#39;t have to involve me if rubble would stop speciffically referring to me in everything.

[Guest1]

my friends, you still ignore my problem with your argument.

first, DC didn&#39;t say canada was part of an empire, do don&#39;t slaughter quotes either. DC said he would like to create a western empire.

second, no matter how much you wanna change it, the US is top dog. and the US is the sole empire. the sole imperialist power. Canada may participate in imperialist actions led by the US, but that doesn&#39;t make it imperialist. It makes it dispicably Capitalistic, but not imperialist. Because in english, imperialist comes from the word Empire, and it means what I&#39;m going to repeat every time you misuse it:


Imperialism
Im*pe"ri*al*ism, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.

Source: Webster&#39;s Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


Imperialism

Im*pe"ri*al*ism, n. The power or character of an emperor; imperial authority; the spirit of empire.

Source: Webster&#39;s Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


Imperialism

n 1: a policy of extending your rule over foreign countries 2: a political orientation that advocates imperial interests 3: any instance of aggressive extension of authority

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Three definitions, none of them fit your argument. Now, it&#39;s time to stop this, ok? Both me and Felicia have admitted that Canada is definitely not perfect, and its government works for the interests of its corporations. However, it is definitely not imperialistic.

Can we end this argument now?

[synthesis]

Che Y... I think the word your opponents are looking for is not &#39;imperialist&#39; but &#39;pro-imperialist.&#39;

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 14 2003, 07:42 PM
second, no matter how much you wanna change it, the US is top dog. and the US is the sole empire. the sole imperialist power. Canada may participate in imperialist actions led by the US, but that doesn&#39;t make it imperialist. It makes it dispicably Capitalistic, but not imperialist....

...its government works for the interests of its corporations. However, it is definitely not imperialistic.

Can we end this argument now?
I think that if Canada participates in imperialist action, then it is imperialistic. An imperialist nation is one that uses its power internationaly to manipulate the world-market for its corporations. The fact that Canada works internaly in fuction of its corporations does not make it imperialist, but the fact that it works externaly in function of its corporations, does make it imperialist. The US is not the sole imperialist power, Canada is involved in imperialistic action independant from the U&#036;, making it imperialist.

We can end this discussion only when you accept the fact that Canada uses its international influence to yield the world-market for its corporations, whether or not you call this imperialism, I do not care.


It wouldn&#39;t have to involve me if rubble would stop speciffically referring to me in everything.

Rubble, stop specificaly referring to felicia in everything.

[Guest1]

once again, you can only call very few nations in history imperialist. Rome, Germany, Britain, Athens, USSR, Italy, France, USA, Spain, Portugal, and about a dozen others. Canada is in no way one of them.

however, I do agree with dyermaker. You mean "pro-imperialist", which it is. Canada has never gone into a war or used its spy agencies on its own for its corporations. It has joined the US in its operations, but never led wars or black ops to influence foreign countries.

I appologize to everyone for repeatedly losing my cool. But I put three definitions up, and you continue to ignore them. Please read them and understand I consider Canada to be pro-imperialist. but calling it imperialist is definitely misusing the word. so, if it is a lackey of US imperialism occasionally, it is definitely better than the US. That was the point. And I think you agree.

Now can we end this?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The following shows that Canada is involved in imperialistic action independant from the U&#036;. And by imperialist action, I mean foreign actions that benefit its corporations and their interests by allowing them to oppressively exploit foreign labor.

War and Imperialism, Canadian Style

By David McNally



National myths die hard. And few Canadian myths are more entrenched than the notion of this country as a peacekeeper, free from the militarism and imperialism of the US. Yet this image is a wild fantasy that obscures some ugly truths. Take Canadian participation in the war on Iraq, for instance. While many in Canada believed that this country’s armed forces were not part of the war, the reality was different. Twenty-five military planners from Canada were active members of the US military’s central command (CENTCOM) in Qatar, the body that planned and oversaw the assault on Iraq. About 1300 military personnel on three Canadian warships provided protection for US aircraft carriers from which much of the air war was launched. Canada also had 31 troops inside Iraq working with US and British forces, including ten Canadian pilots who participated in the aerial bombing of Iraq. On top of all this, the Canadian government allowed US aircraft bound for the Persian Gulf to refuel and change crews in Newfoundland. So, however questionable his motives, when US ambassador Paul Cellucci claimed that Canada was offering more support to the war in Iraq than all but three or four nations, he was right. In addition to this direct military involvement, Canadian business is a major producer of equipment for the US war machine. Canadian firms export almost &#036;3 billion worth of military hardware to the US every year. Canadian-built simulators, flight management systems, data networks and computer equipment guided US helicopters, stealth bombers, fighter jets, armoured vehicles and ships used in the attack on Iraq. Not surprisingly, Canada’s business elite came out loudly in favour of the war. This is not because the Canadian business class is a mere puppet of US capitalists, as some commentators suggest. On the contrary, the business class in Canada represents a powerful and well-organized section of international capitalism which profits from imperialist undertakings of its own.

CANADIAN IMPERIALISM

While Talisman Energy of Calgary is the Canadian company that has gained the most notoriety in recent years (for its ties to a government that tolerated slavery and used terror against civilians), it is far from an isolated case. Earlier this year, for instance, a UN panel charged that eight Canadian mining companies are violating international standards in their business activities in the Congo, where three million people have died in civil wars. These charges come on top of repeated claims that Canadian mining firms operating in Tanzania authorized mass killings of miners.

As these reports make clear, mining companies from Canada are exploiting cheap labour, working with corrupt governments, and turning a blind eye to (if not participating in) terror against civilians in parts of Africa—the very sorts of charges raised against the world’s most rapacious corporations. And these mining companies are far from the only Canadian-based firms exploiting abundant resources, oppressed workers and shady arrangements with governments in the Third World.

We should not be surprised that Third World critics are pointing fingers at Canadian companies since Canada is home to scores of multinational corporations in telecommunications, aluminum, forestry, energy, shoes, rubber, and more. In addition, Canadian-based banks operate extensively in global markets, not least in the Caribbean where they are often among the dominant foreign financial institutions. This is especially true of the Royal Bank of Canada whose roots in the West Indies go back to 1882.

Rather than a small, dependent economy, Canada is a component part of the capitalistically developed world and home to major-league banks and corporations. As the author of a major study of global firms in Canada put it, “Canadian multinationals are not third-rate imitators, but are often at or near the top of their respective industries.” And these corporations are as exploitative and imperialist as can be.

Some Canadian nationalists argue that businesses in this country are in danger of being completely absorbed by US capital, but the facts tell a different story. In fact, Canadian capitalists are also major players in the world of foreign investment and global takeovers. If anything, they have become more significant actors in the world economy.

Between 1994 and 2001, for example, 384 more US businesses were bought up by Canadian corporations than the number of Canadian businesses that US companies managed to purchase. Judged in dollar amounts, Canadian capitalists spent &#036;46 billion more purchasing US businesses than did the latter buying firms in this country. As a result, Canadian corporations have strengthened their presence in the front ranks of global business. In the early 1990s, for instance, the foreign assets of Canadian companies were equal to 23 percent of this country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP). By 2001, foreign holdings by Canadian businesses had rocketed to 54 percent of GDP. As a result, since 2000 Canadian capitalism has run a “dividend surplus”— meaning that dividend flows into Canada derived from foreign holdings exceed dividend income flowing out of Canada—to the tune of &#036;3.5 billion.

THIRD WORLD OPPOSITION

It should come as no surprise, then, that Canadian-based corporations have often been targets of opposition in the Third World. Most recently, Talisman Energy has been the focus of a worldwide campaign which ultimately forced it to sell off its operations in Sudan. But Talisman is far from an isolated case. One of the most celebrated cases of Third World opposition to Canadian capital took place in Trinidad in 1970.

Events there began in 1968-69 when black students at Sir George Williams University in Montreal (now Concordia U) began protesting racism at the school. When administrators failed to address their demands, the students occupied the university’s computer center. Rather than negotiate, the administration called in riot police. Of the 97 arrested protesters, ten were students from Trinidad.

As Montreal trials against the protesters opened in early 1970, protests broke out in Trinidad directed at both the Canadian High Commission and the main branch of the Royal Bank of Canada. When the Montreal students were convicted, further demonstrations were organized. The 700-strong Trinidad Regiment mutinied rather than repress the movement.

Like protesters in Africa today, those who took to the streets of Trinidad in 1970 were pointing directly at the racism and imperialism upon which Canadian capitalism has been built. While much of this legacy involves the colonization of indigenous peoples and the conquest of the people of New France (later Québec), we should never forget the international imperialist operations of Canadian corporations.

ANTI-IMPERIALISM

In sum, Canadian capital is an important player within the structures of world capitalism. True, Canadian business is not in the same league as US corporate power (and the war machine on which it can rely). But no other nationally-based capitalist class matches the US’s at the moment. This does not prevent the ruling classes of France, Britain, Germany, Japan, Italy, Belgium and Canada from having their own distinct interests, which they pursue globally. All of these countries, including Canada, are home to major multinational corporations and banks that form a significant part of world imperialism and are complicit in the racism that sustains it.

So, when anti-war activists and others embrace anti-imperialism, they should not equate it simply with opposition to the American empire, crucial as that is. Consistent anti-imperialism means opposition to the exploitative practices of all multinational corporations and banks and the governments and armies that protect them. Where Canada is concerned, anti-imperialism begins at home.

[Guest1]

I agree with the article, but it&#39;s not Imperialism. Imperialism means influencing governments through war-tactics. Either taking over territories through war, or manipulating governments through black ops.

It is only a matter of definition. You cannot equate the practices of multinational corporations with the country being imperialist. It&#39;s just not the same. What do you call simple Global Capitalism if that&#39;s what you call Imperialism?

Once again, Canada&#39;s government is pro-imperialist, not imperialist.

[elijahcraig]

Imperialism is a key agent of Global Capitalism.

[Dark Capitalist]

Originally posted by DyerMaker+Sep 13 2003, 11:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DyerMaker @ Sep 13 2003, 11:56 PM)
Dark [email protected] 14 2003, 02:08 AM
I&#39;m talking about completely destroying all the governments of the Western nations and uniting all their peoples under ONE EMPIRE. It doesn&#39;t fucking matter what the current status of Canada&#39;s foreign policy is. Canada won&#39;t exist as we know it.
Does that include Japan?

Or are you Pan-Aryan? [/b]
No it does not include Japan or any east Asian country for that matter.

[synthesis]

Why not?

Is not Japan a Western nation?

Of course it is; there is no denying that Japan has truly been Westernized and industrialized.

Your ideology, therefore, consists not of Western unity but of White unity. You&#39;re still just a fascist. <_<

[Bianconero]

Whether Canada is &#39;imperiaist&#39; or &#39;just pro - imperialist&#39; does not matter to me. Fact is, they are guilty. Fact is, they participate in imperialist attacks. Fact is, their corporations profit from imperialist undertakings. For me, it is now ridiculous to argue this further.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 05:15 AM
Why not?

Is not Japan a Western nation?

Of course it is; there is no denying that Japan has truly been Westernized and industrialized.

Your ideology, therefore, consists not of Western unity but of White unity. You&#39;re still just a fascist. <_<
Japan is on the highest grade (5) of industrialisation, south koreo on the second highest (4) and even China is on (3). So finally the asian countries follow the lead of the great industrial countries ...

[Xvall]

Much as I hate his ideological stance, he was nice enough to apologize. That&#39;s something that I don&#39;t think most people would do.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 17 2003, 09:41 PM
Much as I hate his ideological stance, he was nice enough to apologize. That&#39;s something that I don&#39;t think most people would do.
I concur.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 17 2003, 09:41 PM
Much as I hate his ideological stance, he was nice enough to apologize. That&#39;s something that I don&#39;t think most people would do.
I would, if I had something to apologize about ;)