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t.shonku
19th February 2011, 06:06
Can an Egypt-style Revolution Take Place in Pakistan?

Omar Waraich


A thrill rushes through Imran Khan's voice at the mere mention of Egypt. The former Pakistani cricket legend-turned-politician is pleased for Hosni Mubarak's former subjects, but he's even more keen for similar scenes to play out in his own country. "I think Pakistan is completely ready for it," Khan, an opposition politician with a growing following among Pakistan's youth, tells TIME. "In fact, it's even more ready than Egypt was." Ever since Cairo's crowds seized the world's attention, many have wondered whether the insurgent spirit will spread from the Arab world to the wider Muslim one, and in particular, to nuclear-armed and militancy-wracked Pakistan. Some, like Khan, are counting on it.
Egypt and Pakistan are different in a few crucial ways, the primary one being that Pakistan's dictator has already departed, though not in an entirely dissimilar fashion. In his final year in power, General Pervez Musharraf was harried by a lawyer-led protest movement that demanded his exit, a return to democracy, and an independent judiciary. The streets were filled with photogenic displays of people power; there was a crackdown on pro-democracy activists; pro-Musharraf supporters were blamed for violence in the capital; the media was muzzled; and Washington fretted over the fate of a long-favored strongman, who cast himself as a bulwark against an Islamist takeover.
For nearly three years now, Pakistan has had a civilian democracy. Long-established political parties, a lively media, and other political freedoms allow its citizens to dissent in ways that were not possible in Egypt when the protests started. Upcoming elections, scheduled to be held by 2013, will give Pakistanis another opportunity to oust the government. Indeed, Egypt seems to be moving toward today's Pakistan. Though civilian leaders are expected to emerge at the front of a fledgling democracy, major decision-making will likely remain backstage — as in Pakistan — in the hands of a powerful, U.S.-funded army.
But, as Khan points out, the two countries share many afflictions that make Pakistan prime for a new wave of unrest. He says Pakistan's youth, which comprise 70% of the country, are in exactly the same situation as the Arab world: completely discontented. According to a 2009 report by the British Council, only one in 10 of Pakistan's youth, defined as between 18 and 29, have confidence in the government. Half fear that they will not find jobs. Nearly four-fifths believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction. And if anything, Pakistan is even younger than Egypt and other countries engaged in protest this week: The median age in Pakistan is 21. Across the Arab world, it is 22. (See TIME's complete coverage: "The Middle East in Revolt.") (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,2045328,00.html)
For these youth, Pakistan's current system of government is perceived as denying more than it offers. Prospects for social mobility are slim: Pakistan is ranked below Egypt in the Human Development Index at 125th, with 60% of the nation living on less than $2 a day. Power is seen to be the preserve of a predatory few. Justice and security are elusive. The country's rulers are popularly thought of as venal, inept and distant, and they're widely accused of carving private fortunes out of a treasury to which they contribute scandalously little in tax. Plans to bequeath their political parties to their sons are as grave an affront to many as Mubarak's suspected intention to anoint Gamal his successor. Some 119 suicides, like the one committed by Tunisian vegetable seller Mohammed Bouazizi, took place in Pakistan in 2010.
President Asif Ali Zardari is no Mubarak. It has barely been two years since he assumed power, and his weakness is as emblematic of his leadership as the Egyptian dictator's strength was of his. Where Mubarak brutally silenced his opponents, Zardari's could not be heard more loudly. In Pakistan, real political power lies not in Islamabad, but at the army's headquarters in neighboring Rawalpindi. As in Egypt, the military is careful to shun an overtly political role, but away from the glare of public scrutiny, it quietly manages national security, foreign policy, and elements of the economy. And, also as in Egypt, it evades direct blame for circumstances it helped create.
Nevertheless, any popular upheaval in Pakistan would likely target Zardari, not the military. "Never in our history have we had such levels of corruption and such bad governance," alleges Khan. It's a sweeping claim that has been denied repeatedly by the government and called into question by analysts who, while not doubting the existence of corruption and poor governance under Zardari, doubted whether Khan is right about the relative scale of the problems. But the replacement of a few corrupt ministers as part of a recent cabinet reshuffle has done little to halt the spread of unconfirmed tales of legendary greed within government halls — all of which accumulate in the public imagination. (See the Arab world's lessons about democracy through revolution.) (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2048169,00.html)
On the economic front, things don't look likely to improve anytime soon. Pakistan is already struggling to meet requirements for an IMF rescue package, and the government, despite U.S. pressure, has failed to broaden its tax base. To generate revenue, it has resorted to printing bank notes. In the coming weeks, economists foresee hyperinflation, the local currency crashing, and capital being spirited abroad. Khan believes that such conditions will inflame an already hostile public mood, one that is being amplified by the local media. "You can see the whole thing already bubbling under surface," says Khan, referring to a recent strike by airline workers that recently won the dismissal of its managing director.
Still, it is difficult to see disgruntled Pakistanis matching the Egyptians' unity. Some groups have already abortively attempted their own day of rage, to little effect. Unlike the victorious residents of Cairo in Tahrir Square, Pakistanis are riven by deep ethnic, cultural, political and sectarian divides. The middle class in Pakistan is a mere sliver of the population at just 20 million people out of a population of180 million. Social media tools like Facebook and Twitter are only going to animate tiny crowds. Pakistani revolutions also suffer a notorious history of false alarms, and Khan, for one, has a record of raising the level of revolutionary rhetoric, only to see no groundswell of popular anger to back it up.
Khan is correct, however, in pointing out that a vast stock of tinder has gathered. The question is whether a flame will be set to it. Khan suggests that it could be the case of Raymond Davis, a U.S. diplomat awaiting trial who killed two Pakistanis in Lahore last month. President Obama has asked that Davis be released under diplomatic immunity, but Pakistanis have become increasingly united in their rage at his alleged crime. Zardari's government, which is siding with the U.S. and putting pressure on the courts to release Davis, is caught in the crossfire. "This is not an ordinary situation," says Khan. "If he is returned to the US under diplomatic immunity, it might trigger the revolution off." If it does, it is unlikely to be anywhere near as peaceful or as stable as the one the world has just witnessed.

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http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2045328_2045333_2049747,00.html






I hope Pakistanis choose Communism over religious fundamentalism , religious fundamentalism will only take them to dark age

t.shonku
19th February 2011, 06:13
Releasing Davis may give rise to Egypt-like revolution in 'outraged' Pakistan

2011-02-16 18:50:00
Last Updated: 2011-02-17 00:22:42

Lahore: Pakistan may witness a revolution like that in Egypt and Tunisia if double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis is granted diplomatic immunity and released from detention, the Pakistani public and analysts say.
Inspired by the popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, people in Pakistan are itching for a reason to take their disdain for President Asif Ali Zardari's government to the streets, and releasing Davis on the grounds of diplomatic immunity may give them a strong cause.
"We would organize students in Lahore and across the country, and create a movement that would turn into a revolution," The Los Angeles Times quoted Pakistani college student Gulraiz Iqbal, who is a leader of the Lahore student wing of an opposition party, Movement for Justice, as saying.
"We're inspired by the examples of Tunisia and Egypt because their leaders were agents for the U.S. We have the same situation here," he added.
Analysts are of the view that the tumult sweeping through the Middle East could give demonstrators in Pakistan the momentum that Zardari and his government would struggle to withstand.
The government has reeled from one crisis to the next since the ouster of military ruler Pervez Musharraf in 2008, and if Davis is released without a trial, experts say, it could be the last straw.
"The problem is that the government is so weak," said Talat Masood, a security analyst and retired Pakistani general. "The government thinks that because of what's happening in Egypt, the people need only an excuse, and this might be the one."
Photos of protesters hoisting banners that read "Hang Raymond Davis!" appear every few days in Pakistani newspapers, the report said, adding that Islamist parties capable of mobilizing thousands of demonstrators have also vowed to rally against the government if Davis is freed.
As a result, the Pakistan government has so far been reluctant to make a decision regarding diplomatic immunity for Davis, who has confessed to shooting dead two Pakistani men last month, allegedly in self-defence.



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http://www.sify.com/news/releasing-davis-may-give-rise-to-egypt-like-revolution-in-outraged-pakistan-news-international-lcqsOiageif.html



More news coming in ! We must keep a close eye.

By the way Pakistan falls in South Asia zone so .....................:)

Sinister Cultural Marxist
20th February 2011, 17:56
The zardari government sucks, but i dont know if there's the possibility of a "Socialist" revolution right now. Consider the protests in support of Pakistan's blasphemy law, which allows their government to execute Hindus, Christians and Sikhs who piss off their neighbors by "blaspheming," and support the body guard who assassinated a governor that wanted to change the law.

Also, the number of terrorist attacks against minority sects of Islam are really worrying. The Pakistani Taliban are more obsessed with slaughtering Shiites and Ahmadiyyas than improving their society, and groups like them or associated with them are, right now, the most organized, alongside the military. So choosing between a military coup and religious fundamentalism ... is there a sizable socialist movement in Pakistan?

Rosa Lichtenstein
20th February 2011, 18:05
As we saw in Egypt, when these mass movements get underway, religious groups unite and defend one another, despite what went on before, so there's no call for pessimism here.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
20th February 2011, 18:56
Pakistan is ... different from Egypt. Whereas Egyptian Muslims tend to be much friendlier towards Christians, there's really no sign that there is a similar tendency in Pakistan. The last major terrorist attack against Christians in Egypt was from foreign terrorists, and seemed to produce a viscerally anti-terrorist reaction from the Egyptian people. There is a lot of popular support in Pakistan, however, for assassinations, and the Taliban and other brutal terror groups have a clear and organized constituency. When a governor tried to change the blasphemy law, he was gunned down by his security guard. When his security guard was charged with murder, the lawyers went and protested in defense of the guy who killed the governor!

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2011/02/16/blasphemy-lawlessness-in-pakistan/
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=40177

My guess is that the extreme nature of the social and economic conflicts in Pakistan are encouraging the worst elements in the country.

And this isn't even talking about the ethnic violence between different linguistic sunni muslim groups.

Rosa Lichtenstein
20th February 2011, 19:14
STD:


Whereas Egyptian Muslims tend to be much friendlier towards Christians

Oh yeah? What about these?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/07/egypt-gunmen-kill-coptic-christmas

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/23/egypt-coptic-christians-prejudice

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101125/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_riots

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11768330

http://www.suite101.com/content/muslim-persecution-of-copts-resembles-ethnic-cleansing-a331586

http://www.aina.org/news/20091123162710.htm

To mention just a few.

Blackscare
20th February 2011, 19:18
As we saw in Egypt, when these mass movements get underway, religious groups unite and defend one another, despite what went on before, so there's no call for pessimism here.

Wait, it's better that there be a unite religious bloc? I don't get it.

Great that people wouldn't really be slaughtering each other, but still doesn't make for a bright future.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
20th February 2011, 19:19
There's been violence towards Christians in Egypt, but nothing like the scale of violence in Pakistan, and it seems that Egyptians (perhaps being better educated and more cosmopolitan) are less tolerant of violent extremism. Consider the huge increase in attacks since 2001 in Pakistan, for one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_since_2001 ), or the fact that there seems to be popular support in the whole nation for executing this Christian woman who allegedly insulted Muhammad.

For instance, in Pakistan, there are routine terrorist attacks against Shiites and other Islamic sects, but even the article you cite mentions that terrorist attacks against christians are rare in Egypt and that the attack is a surprise and an "innovation" from the egyptian perspective. Last I heard, it may have even been foreign terrorist groups trying to incite sectarian violence

Rosa Lichtenstein
20th February 2011, 19:24
Not according to the news reports I posted (and I could have posted scores more). The violence was in many cases quite massive.

Now, I'm not suggesting that there aren't serious problems in Pakistan, but your demotivating pessimism is out of place.

Rosa Lichtenstein
20th February 2011, 19:25
BS:


Wait, it's better that there be a unite religious bloc? I don't get it.

This isn't what I said, nor is it what happened in Egypt.

t.shonku
22nd February 2011, 05:08
U.S. official: Accused American in Pakistan a CIA contractor



Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- The American accused of killing two Pakistani men isn't a diplomat, as U.S. officials have said, but rather a CIA contractor in the country providing security for CIA officers, a U.S. government official said Monday.
The revelation that Raymond Davis was working for the U.S. intelligence agency when he shot two men -- one of them in the back, according to Lahore police -- is a dramatic twist in a case that has already inflamed hard-line clerics and an angry public that wants the American tried in a Pakistani court.
In protests since Davis' arrest last month, hard-line Pakistani clerics have condemned the shootings and demanded that the government not release the American.
Despite the revelation of Davis' true line of work, U.S. officials on Monday renewed their argument that he enjoys diplomatic immunity and must be released.
U.S. officials notified Pakistan that Davis had been posted to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad in January 2010, U.S. officials said. Pakistan's only recourse under international law is to order Davis out of the country, according to a senior U.S. official who briefed reporters on background Monday.
"Any other form of action, including a judicial action or any other proceeding, is inconsistent with his status," the official said.
Davis was jailed January 27 after fatally shooting two men who pulled up to him on a motorcycle in a bustling Lahore neighborhood.
U.S. officials and Lahore police said Davis told them he shot the men in self-defense. Evidence showed the two men may well have been robbers, according to police who found cash and cell phones linked to a robbery reported earlier that day.
But Lahore's police chief, Aslam Tareen, has said witnesses told police that Davis kept firing, even when one of the men was running away.
"It was clear-cut murder," Tareen told reporters.
That Davis was working for the CIA as a contract employee seems to explain the assortment of gear Lahore police reported finding in his rental car following his arrest.
According to a Lahore police report, Davis' car contained 9mm pistol, five ammunition magazines, two cell phones, an infrared light, a digital camera, a telescope, a long-range wireless set and a survival kit.
While acknowledging that Davis is a CIA contractor, the U.S. official said that Davis is not a case officer or paramilitary officer.
"Davis is a protective officer, someone who provides security to U.S. officials in Pakistan. Rumors to the contrary are simply wrong," the official said.
The U.S. official added "any suggestions that he was conducting covert operations or personally leading efforts to target militant groups is wrong."
But the official said Davis could have been providing security for CIA officers who were engaged in covert operations
Davis is part of the agency's "global response staff," which is responsible for protecting the safety of CIA operatives in other countries.
He was doing "advance work," scouting areas of Lahore at the time of the shooting, the official said. Davis' role required him to "know the environment."
He provided all facets of security for case workers including surveillance detection, route surveillance and protection in potentially hostile environments, said the official.
The 36-year-old Davis is a former member of the U.S. Army special forces and had been employed by security firm XE Services, previously known as Blackwater.
Davis began working for the CIA nearly 4 years ago. He was assigned to Pakistan in late 2009. He was living with other security personnel at a safehouse in Lahore before the shooting incident.
Until Monday, U.S. officials had described Davis only as an employee who was attached to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad and who was working at the U.S. Consulate in Lahore at the time of the shootings.
Formally, they continue to describe him only as a member of the "technical and administrative staff" of the embassy.
The U.S. government has had ongoing conversations with Pakistan's government about Davis' security, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Monday.
"Clearly, we hold the government of Pakistan fully responsible for his safety," Crowley said.
A U.S. official said Davis is being held in a facility with 4,000 other prisoners, some of them militants.
Pakistani officials have moved Davis to a separate part of the prison and taken away guards' guns for fear one might kill the American, the U.S. official said. Dogs are even being used to taste and smell Davis' food to ensure he is not poisoned, according to the official.
Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, recently traveled to Pakistan in part to express "our deepest sorrow for the loss of life" and underscore Davis' diplomatic immunity.
Members of Congress have told senior Pakistani leaders that billions of dollars in U.S. aid are in jeopardy unless Davis is released.
But Crowley said Monday no such action is currently being contemplated.
The U.S. supplied more than $1.5 billion in nonmilitary aid to Pakistan in fiscal year 2010.
CNN's Pam Benson and journalist Nasir Habib contributed to this report.


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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/02/21/pakistan.us.shooting/index.html?hpt=T2








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