Leftist symbolism discussion

[Anti-Zionist]

This topic is to discuss leftist symbolism and you're ideas for new symbolism (including flags, logo's, ect)

Please dont clutter up the forum with starting the same topics over and over again and keep it convined to this thread

~ Deconditioned Reflex +1



Hey guys. I'd like to dedicate this thread to far left-wing symbolism. Let's face it, our stuff is much more cooler than right-wing capitalist shit. For example, you won't find a statue like this in a Capitalist state:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Kerala_communist_tableaux.jpg

[Sir Comradical]

You know that's a living statue right?

[LOLseph Stalin]

That's pretty cool. :D

[A.R.Amistad]

I love socialist symbolism :thumbup1:

[Aloysius]

Does anyone think it's necessary for a new symbol to rally behind?
The Hammer and Sickle has been seen as a symbol of oppression and death for decades.
Does it need a facelift or do we need something new altogether?
Discuss and decide here, I guess.
It's up to you.

[Aloysius]

I can dig it.
When I figure out how to sculpt correctly, I'm gonna make a decent sized Hammer and Sickle and cement it onto the mini Statue of "Liberty" in front of the courthouse in my town.
Or maybe a Lady Liberty holding the Hammer and Sickle up with both hands and that book on the ground at her feet.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I think the left should use this:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2006/07/17/Masturbatathon1.jpg

[Aloysius]

Well...That's certainly attention-grabbing.

[Catillina]

http://auntlelo.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/us_dollar_back.gif

^^ OR

http://ballymunsocialist.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fist-clean-red.jpg

[Invincible Summer]

Does anyone think it's necessary for a new symbol to rally behind?
The Hammer and Sickle has been seen as a symbol of oppression and death for decades.
Does it need a facelift or do we need something new altogether?


*Looks at your organization*

Sigh....


Discuss and decide here, I guess.
It's up to you.

Yes, the fate of all future communist movements' symbols will be decided on Revleft.

[Aloysius]

What I meant was I wanted your opinions. If we all agree that there is a need, well, maybe not need, for a new symbol that embodies all of the ideals and beliefs of the left (beliefs that we all agree on, I mean), then maybe it should be made. And I'm not saying it should the sole international symbol for future Communist movements at all. It could be used as a logo for any one organisation or none at all.
If you disagree, fine, I'll respect your opinions.
And what's wrong with my organisation?

[Nolan]

What a dumb thread. As if we're fascists and need 300 different symbols.

[Stand Your Ground]

The hammer & sickle & red star are perfect.

[Invincible Summer]

And what's wrong with my organisation?

Well not to be sectarian or anything, but it just seems like anarchists (let alone RAAN) would always be against the hammer & sickle to a certain extent, since it's more of a Marxist-Leninist symbol. Therefore, it's sort of cliche to claim that it's in need of a "facelift" since it's been used for "oppression and death for decades.'

It's like a ML telling Anarchists they need to start using a vanguard or something.

[Aloysius]

Hmm...I wasn't aware I was being cliché. I'll have to work on that. A lot.

[Peace on Earth]

I don't like the hammer and sickle for purely aesthetic reasons. I prefer any variation of a fist.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

I like it when its done with an "A" like these or in my avatar.

http://mises.org/images4/anarchocommunism.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Anarcho-communism.svg/230px-Anarcho-communism.svg.png

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=d01490dcf8&view=att&th=12a491b013d21d78&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=f_gcjhq01n2&zw

[Aloysius]

I like the top one, but the gradient kind of overdoes it... Oh well.

[Nuvem]

The hammer and sickle does not symbolize oppression or death. Simply because it was in use during the Stalin years while the political purges were happening does not make it a symbol of oppression; it existed before, and long after. It's a symbol of hope, of the Leftist tradition. More blatantly, it should stand as a symbol of pride for the workers and farmers. When it comes to symbolism, the Bourgeoisie use birds of prey such as falcons, hawks and eagles; we use the tools of the people. It's a symbol for the masses, not the privileged few sitting atop the social heirarchy swooping down to prey upon the weak.

Personally I believe that the hammer and sickle would look rather handsome with a sword stretched down the center, hilt upwards to symbolize the revolutionary armed forces; I consider the military of a proper Left, revolutionary nation as much a part of the Proletariat as any factory worker or farmer- after all, after their tour is over, they usually return to work as one of the former.
I do NOT agree that the "A" of Anarchy should ever come in contact with the hammer and sickle in any way, at any time. It sullies a time-honored symbol with a hooligan's mark, the same that gets scratched into the surface of middle school classroom desks a thousand times every day by apolitical punks who pretend to be Anarchists because it's trendy and their favorite bands sing about it.

[Aloysius]

I don't recall saying that the hammer and sickle were directly symbolic of death and oppression, it's just that people who don't know what it really means tie it to the deaths of millions, because that's what they were taught.
Hammer and Sickle plus a sword?
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7562/hammersicklesword.jpg
How's that? It is a bit big...My bad.

Seriously? I used to be one of those apolitical punks "pretending" to be Anarchist.
I think you're right when it comes to the Circle-A being a hooligans' mark. The Hammer and Sickle is a lot more respected and taken seriously. If I drew a circle-a in my notebook at school, no one would be really worried. Now if I drew a Hammer and Sickle and a caricature of Karl Marx...
I think the hammer & sickle with the circle-a like the first one Veg_Athei_Socialist posted is just aesthetically pleasing.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

I like the top one, but the gradient kind of overdoes it... Oh well.
What about this?
http://my.picresize.com/vault/JTQ7OU9HMR.jpg
I think the sword one looks nice and could symbolize fighting capitalism. Honestly I see no problem with the circle A. Its a clear symbol for anarchy and looks just fine.

[Quail]

I like the circle A, but there are quite a lot of people in school who wear it and have no idea about anarchism (or at least when I was at school there were). I also quite like the hammer sickle A. I just think it looks nice.

[Reznov]

The Hammer&Sickle is nice and should continued to be use but, im not a farmer and my work doesn't involve the use of a hammer.

I work on fixing computers... So, how about a Red Keyboard? :confused:

[NecroCommie]

A picture of a dead and gory fascist with a bourgeoisie pig waiting in handcuffs to be next. That symbol would at least have a message. :cool:

[Aloysius]

I like that one...
I'd try to draw it, but my artistic talents are relegated to image manipulation, and they still need serious work.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

I like that one...
I'd try to draw it, but my artistic talents are relegated to image manipulation, and they still need serious work.
Which one?

[Nuvem]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7562/hammersicklesword.jpg
This is the general idea, yes, though I would prefer if the sword were thicker so as to go along with the hammer and sickle, perhaps a broadsword with a straight handguard, and also of course color-coordinated. Although the one you used is Tizona, so that could be a good choice for, say, Spain.

Come to think of it, is there anyone who could do that for me? I'm not very good with image manipulation. Could anyone do a hammer and sickle with a broadsword down the center that's size-appropriate and color coordinated? It's actually something I've considered having tattooed on myself and being able to actually see it would not only be cool but also helpful.

[Nachie]

pssst... the Sickle-A is a RAAN symbol, y'all

it was created by Matt Svendsen in 2001, and you can read a little bit about the background here: http://www.poisonedcandy.com/RAAN/sickle-a.html

[BuddhaInBabylon]

symbols really are a very important tool for human beings. there's no denying the power of symbols. i think that more important than a symbol to unite behind though is a solid movement. a symbol that represents a broad spectrum of leftist thought still represents a fractured and largely sectarian spectrum of individuals who cannot agree to disagree. The movement to unify our objectives as anti-capitalists FIRST is more important than any symbol. Let the movement itself be the symbol. Once capitalism is destroyed and all remnants of class oppression annhialated utterly, then we can decide on a cool symbol.:cool:

[hobo8675309]

yes. thats what i was going for when i made what is now my avatar to symbolize leftism pulling from many influences. i thought it turned out nice, but i found two flaws,
1:it is based upon a portrait of conservative theocratic dictator girolimo savonarola,
2:and it is not quite as "clip-arty" as hammer and sickle.

[Aloysius]

A picture of a dead and gory fascist with a bourgeoisie pig waiting in handcuffs to be next. That symbol would at least have a message. :cool:
This one.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

A picture of a dead and gory fascist with a bourgeoisie pig waiting in handcuffs to be next. That symbol would at least have a message. :cool:


How beautiful :crying:

[revolution inaction]

The Hammer&Sickle is nice and should continued to be use but, im not a farmer and my work doesn't involve the use of a hammer.

I work on fixing computers... So, how about a Red Keyboard? :confused:

Simlar idea from libcom (http://libcom.org/forums/thought/hammer-sickle-red-star-23102007)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/576/spatulaheadsetio5.gif


Personally I think the raan symbol looks fucking awful. I don't really get why a non leninst would want to use a hammer and sickle anyway.

[Aloysius]

You don't have to be a Leninist to use the hammer & sickle.

[The Douche]

Well not to be sectarian or anything, but it just seems like anarchists (let alone RAAN) would always be against the hammer & sickle to a certain extent, since it's more of a Marxist-Leninist symbol. Therefore, it's sort of cliche to claim that it's in need of a "facelift" since it's been used for "oppression and death for decades.'

It's like a ML telling Anarchists they need to start using a vanguard or something.

LOL.


Meanwhile people talk in this thread about how cool the "sickle a" (a RAAN symbol, created by a RAANista) is, and even use RAAN images.

[fa2991]

Well not to be sectarian or anything, but it just seems like anarchists (let alone RAAN) would always be against the hammer & sickle to a certain extent, since it's more of a Marxist-Leninist symbol.

Not really. Just cuz the Soviets used it doesn't mean you guys get exclusive rights to it. :p Same goes for "The Internationale."


It's like a ML telling Anarchists they need to start using a vanguard or something.Some anarchists already believe in vanguards - myself included. What did you think the CNT-FAI was?

...

Personally, I like the hammer and sickle a lot more than the Anarchist A, because if someone utilizes the A, they gain punk credibility or whatever, but there's nothing cool about the hammer and sickle, so seeing the H/S tells me that an individual is a comrade of mine where the A doesn't.

I also really love North Korean H/S variant with the paintbrush in the middle.

[fa2991]

Hey guys. I'd like to dedicate this thread to far left-wing symbolism. Let's face it, our stuff is much more cooler than right-wing capitalist shit. For example, you won't find a statue like this in a Capitalist state:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Kerala_communist_tableaux.jpg

:laugh: Reminds me of "The Living Statue" from the movie "Hot Fuzz."

[NecroCommie]

Soviet statues are indeed like straight from lotr, except that they have industrial age themes.
http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/places-and-sights/_more2000/_more09/Germany-Berlin-Soviet-War-Memorial-statue-of-kneeling-soldier-carrying-helmet-ATE.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PjJcExt6I-w/SwyQhchNbAI/AAAAAAAAALI/BiSynwzpTG0/s1600/worker_peasant_statue.jpg

[Devrim]

Hey guys. I'd like to dedicate this thread to far left-wing symbolism. Let's face it, our stuff is much more cooler than right-wing capitalist shit. For example, you won't find a statue like this in a Capitalist state:

Really, you mean stuff like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Bar%C4%B1%C5%9F_heykeli_ankara.jpg

Heroic workers:

[/URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Madenci_Heykeli%2C_Olgunlar.jpg/800px-Madenci_Heykeli%2C_Olgunlar.jpg
http://images.gittigidiyor.com/888/Siyah-Beyaz-Ankara-Emniyet-Parki-Heykeli__8883254_0.jpg

Not forgetting the foreign revolutionaries:

[URL="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Bernardo_O%27Higgins_an%C4%B1t%C4%B1.jpg/250px-Bernardo_O%27Higgins_an%C4%B1t%C4%B1.jpg"] (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Madenci_Heykeli%2C_Olgunlar.jpg/800px-Madenci_Heykeli%2C_Olgunlar.jpg)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Bernardo_O%27Higgins_an%C4%B1t%C4%B1.jpg/250px-Bernardo_O%27Higgins_an%C4%B1t%C4%B1.jpg

Of course you find stuff like this in capitalist states.

Devrim

[NecroCommie]

There is more! You will now behold the insane epicness of the Stalingrad memorial park. While watching the insane epicness of all this, you must listen to heroic ballads of heroic heroes doing hero stuff heroically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHUHcuXQoxA&feature=related

http://mamayevhill.volgadmin.ru/00_n.htm

Some quotations and pictures, ultimately proving the epic heroism of the stalingrad battle and the rather large phallos of the soviet troops. There is no room for heresy, no room for fascism as we gaze the insane superiority of the soviet symbolism.



On the left there is a wall which resembles an unfolded banner by its shape. All the way along this Banner Wall one can read these words carved in big relief letters: “Iron wind was blowing into their faces, but they kept advancing, and again and again the enemy was taken over by a superstitious feeling: were there really humans attacking them? Were they mortal?” The Banner Wall has the length of 112 m, and the height of 8 m.


http://mamayevhill.volgadmin.ru/images/05-1.jpg

http://mamayevhill.volgadmin.ru/05_n.htm

The description of "the hall of the warriors glory"

This is a cylindrical building, the diameter of which is 40m and the height of the walls is 13,5m. The roof of the building has a hole, diameter of which is 8m. In the middle of the hall there is a hand holding a torch of the Eternal Fire surrounded by the speakers, delivering the sounds of the mourning melody of “Dreams” by Schuman.

From the "Square of those who fought to the death!"

At the feet of the sculpture there is a number of slogans such as “Not a single step back!”, “Stand to death!”, “There is no ground for us behind the Volga!”, “Let us not shame the holy memories!”

Please! Please tell me what of this is not straight from the lyrics of a power-metal ballad! Hell! There is even a place called: "the square of sorrow", with a statue of a mother mourning her warrior son! This is over the top, cheesy high-fantasy stuff! I will come soon if you don't stop me! The only thing missing from that park is that everything is written in archaic english and there would be references to "kings".

[NecroCommie]

Oh my fucking god!

From the main monument:

The monument – a modern interpretation of an image of the antic Nikka – goddess of the victory – calls her sons and daughters to resist the enemy and continue advancing onto it... ...The monument can be seen not only in the area of Mamayev Hill, it reigns over the whole city and can be noticed from thousands of kilometers afar.

http://mamayevhill.volgadmin.ru/images/09-2.jpg

[ContrarianLemming]

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/HaydenWiley/600px-Anarchist_star_svg.png

[ContrarianLemming]

Well not to be sectarian or anything, but it just seems like anarchists (let alone RAAN) would always be against the hammer & sickle to a certain extent, since it's more of a Marxist-Leninist symbol. Therefore, it's sort of cliche to claim that it's in need of a "facelift" since it's been used for "oppression and death for decades.'

It's like a ML telling Anarchists they need to start using a vanguard or something.

anarchists do use vangaurds

what else was the FAI?

[ContrarianLemming]

I do NOT agree that the "A" of Anarchy should ever come in contact with the hammer and sickle in any way, at any time. It sullies a time-honored symbol with a hooligan's mark, the same that gets scratched into the surface of middle school classroom desks a thousand times every day by apolitical punks who pretend to be Anarchists because it's trendy and their favorite bands sing about it.

anarchists on this site do you the circle A

[Fietsketting]

The hammer and sickle does not symbolize oppression or death. Simply because it was in use during the Stalin years while the political purges were happening does not make it a symbol of oppression; it existed before, and long after. .

I seen a comment on Stormfront wich stated the exact same thing, just with a swastika. :thumbup1:

[Invincible Summer]

Not really. Just cuz the Soviets used it doesn't mean you guys get exclusive rights to it. :p Same goes for "The Internationale."

I didn't mean that MLs get exclusive rights to the hammer & sickle symbol, just that most anarchists I've met get all worked up about it since it's a "Leninist" thing.



Some anarchists already believe in vanguards - myself included. What did you think the CNT-FAI was?


anarchists do use vangaurds

what else was the FAI?

You know what I mean. I was making a reductionist, flippant comment to make a point.

[A.R.Amistad]

i had an old book of symbolism and I looked up what the hammer and the sickle (individually represented). The hammer traditionally is a symbol of building, construction, labor and creativity. its a symbol of humanities industrious abilities. That made me think of "From each according to their abilities..."

The sickle is traditionally a symbol of harvest because 1. it is an agricultural tool and 2. it somewhat resembles the 'harvest moon.' it basically symbolizes 'to reap.' I interpreted the sickle to mean "...to each according to their needs." Reaping the rewards, etc.

So, the hammer+sickle = "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs." I doubt even RAAN can disagree with that principle.

Thats why I love the symbol, and tbh I just think its a neat symbol. :thumbup1:

[A.R.Amistad]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7562/hammersicklesword.jpg
This is the general idea, yes, though I would prefer if the sword were thicker so as to go along with the hammer and sickle, perhaps a broadsword with a straight handguard, and also of course color-coordinated. Although the one you used is Tizona, so that could be a good choice for, say, Spain.

Come to think of it, is there anyone who could do that for me? I'm not very good with image manipulation. Could anyone do a hammer and sickle with a broadsword down the center that's size-appropriate and color coordinated? It's actually something I've considered having tattooed on myself and being able to actually see it would not only be cool but also helpful.

It would be neat if the hilt were shaped like Narsil:

http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/narsil-sword1/narsil-swords.jpg

[Sam_b]

Why do we need any symbols at all? We're not the Stonecutters and don't need to set ourselves apart by the symbols we use.

Oh, but I guess for a lot of you it's 'cool' 'neat' or 'awesome' to use a picture as an identity crutch.

[A.R.Amistad]

Why do we need any symbols at all? We're not the Stonecutters and don't need to set ourselves apart by the symbols we use.

Oh, but I guess for a lot of you it's 'cool' 'neat' or 'awesome' to use a picture as an identity crutch.

this is the graphics forum

[Sam_b]

this is the graphics forum

Congratulations! You can read.

So because this is a graphics forum we should all be creating new symbols to set us apart from everyone else in the class, right?

[Weezer]

Congratulations! You can read.

So because this is a gaphics forum we should all be creating new symbols to set us apart from everyone else in the class, right?

Gaphics.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Emblema_KGB.svg

The Hammer and Sickle and Sword has sort of been taken by the KGB.

I always thought the Hammer represented the urban proletariat, and the Sickle representing the peasantry, and both tools faced against each other meant the unity of the urban Proletariat and the peasantry.

[A.R.Amistad]

Congratulations! You can read.

So because this is a gaphics forum we should all be creating new symbols to set us apart from everyone else in the class, right?

harsh words. You seem to have something invested in this....

[Sam_b]

Gaphics.

Surprised you're able to post anything aside from crusading to ban admins.

[ZeroNowhere]

i had an old book of symbolism and I looked up what the hammer and the sickle (individually represented). The hammer traditionally is a symbol of building, construction, labor and creativity. its a symbol of humanities industrious abilities. That made me think of "From each according to their abilities..."

The sickle is traditionally a symbol of harvest because 1. it is an agricultural tool and 2. it somewhat resembles the 'harvest moon.' it basically symbolizes 'to reap.' I interpreted the sickle to mean "...to each according to their needs." Reaping the rewards, etc.

So, the hammer+sickle = "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs." I doubt even RAAN can disagree with that principle.

Thats why I love the symbol, and tbh I just think its a neat symbol. :thumbup1:I'm fairly sure that that's not what it means.

[Weezer]

Surprised you're able to post anything aside from crusading to ban admins.

I'm not surprised you continue to be a douchebag.

[ContrarianLemming]

Congratulations! You can read.

So because this is a graphics forum we should all be creating new symbols to set us apart from everyone else in the class, right?

you win the internet

[BalticComrade]

If you change something, you change the tradition and it means you split the left movement... and that would be useful for the capitalists.

[The Douche]

i had an old book of symbolism and I looked up what the hammer and the sickle (individually represented). The hammer traditionally is a symbol of building, construction, labor and creativity. its a symbol of humanities industrious abilities. That made me think of "From each according to their abilities..."

The sickle is traditionally a symbol of harvest because 1. it is an agricultural tool and 2. it somewhat resembles the 'harvest moon.' it basically symbolizes 'to reap.' I interpreted the sickle to mean "...to each according to their needs." Reaping the rewards, etc.

So, the hammer+sickle = "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs." I doubt even RAAN can disagree with that principle.

Thats why I love the symbol, and tbh I just think its a neat symbol. :thumbup1:

What do you mean even RAAN? RAAN is a communist organization. RAAN created a rather widespread image combining the circle A and the hammer & sickle, known as the "sickle a". So obviously yes, even RAAN, gets down with the hammer and sickle.

[welshexile1963]

I like tha hammer and sickle thanks it will do me.

[Honggweilo]

Congratulations! You can read.

So because this is a graphics forum we should all be creating new symbols to set us apart from everyone else in the class, right?

philistine

[Die Rote Fahne]

I seen a comment on Stormfront wich stated the exact same thing, just with a swastika. :thumbup1:

The hammer and sickle was created before Stalin's reign. It represents communism, not Stlainism, not Leninism, not Luxemburgism, not Titoism. But Communism in general. It was not created/used by Stalin for his personal communism.

The Swastika is imbued in National Socialist policy. Ergo, the comparison of what is said about the Hammer and Sickle compared to the swastika of the Nazis is illegitimate.

Think. Think. Think. :thumbup1:

Also, we do not need any new symbols. We have many that represent a rich history of working class struggle.

[Q]

i had an old book of symbolism and I looked up what the hammer and the sickle (individually represented). The hammer traditionally is a symbol of building, construction, labor and creativity. its a symbol of humanities industrious abilities. That made me think of "From each according to their abilities..."

The sickle is traditionally a symbol of harvest because 1. it is an agricultural tool and 2. it somewhat resembles the 'harvest moon.' it basically symbolizes 'to reap.' I interpreted the sickle to mean "...to each according to their needs." Reaping the rewards, etc.

So, the hammer+sickle = "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs." I doubt even RAAN can disagree with that principle.

Thats why I love the symbol, and tbh I just think its a neat symbol. :thumbup1:

That's a rather creative explanation and while I agree with others that this isn't historically correct, it certainly is a nice one :thumbup1:

[MarxSchmarx]

That raan logo is horrid. It is cumbersome, hard to decipher, and frankly utterly lacks the elegence of its constituent parts.

why has the red star gotten no mention here? It's probably the most ubiquitous feature on all leninist state emblems, and since the ezln started using it it's gained wider acceptance outside of bolsheviks. It's also easily adopted for the anarchist crowd by having a diagonal rendered in black::star:

[∞]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQuXUNBFKd3GR6OlANjic7vw16YV7Xch g3n2Qu5r3WEMCzVMGY&t=1&usg=__SEr5YF8wYTuwFyNz0TSGG4F92UA=

You are now feeling very socialist...

[this is an invasion]

So, the hammer+sickle = "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs." I doubt even RAAN can disagree with that principle.


The fuck does this mean?


There are Marxists and communists in RAAN (RED & Anarchist Action Network...)

[this is an invasion]

That raan logo is horrid. It is cumbersome, hard to decipher, and frankly utterly lacks the elegence of its constituent parts.

why has the red star gotten no mention here? It's probably the most ubiquitous feature on all leninist state emblems, and since the ezln started using it it's gained wider acceptance outside of bolsheviks. It's also easily adopted for the anarchist crowd by having a diagonal rendered in black::star:
On the contrary, I think you're just jealous of how AWESOME the sickle-a is.

[Honggweilo]

Simlar idea from libcom (http://libcom.org/forums/thought/hammer-sickle-red-star-23102007)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/576/spatulaheadsetio5.gif


Personally I think the raan symbol looks fucking awful. I don't really get why a non leninst would want to use a hammer and sickle anyway.
actually, a foodstuffs brand making preselected seasonings in the netherlands had this commercial campaign promoting stroganov sauche with something similar to that design; a fryingpan and a spatula :lol:

http://groenekhmer.nl/images/knorr.jpg

[Invincible Summer]

actually, a foodstuffs brand making preselected seasonings in the netherlands had this commercial campaign promoting stroganov sauche with something similar to that design; a fryingpan and a spatula :lol:

http://groenekhmer.nl/images/knorr.jpg

"Any cook should be able to lead the country." -- V.I. Lenin

[Black Sheep]

how bout
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:5asAf3qjpzU5QM:http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/New_Immortallia/BEAR.png

Or maybe we can use obama

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/obamarxist.jpg

[Takanago]

A lot of socialist/anarchist symbols are pretty cool. Though I think that often a generic hammer and sickle by itself can be a bit boring and generic, as well as a star.

[Honggweilo]

http://pic.phyrefile.com/e/ep/epp_b/2010/06/05/Oh_look__it_s_THIS_thread_again.jpg

inb4 i merge this

[Stand Your Ground]

http://i55.tinypic.com/mhc9j9.jpg

Based off some previous designs I've seen, wanted to give it my own touch.

[9]

tbh, it looks like something a teenager made in about two minutes using Microsoft Paint. no offense; just being honest with you (I assume you posted it to get feedback, so...)

[9]

also, you may want to resize it or put it in spoiler tags, as the image is a bit too large for the screen.

[Sean]

tbh, it looks like something a teenager made in about two minutes using Microsoft Paint. no offense; just being honest with you (I assume you posted it to get feedback, so...)
Ouch! Jesus, its not THAT bad. Also, I thought the board software automatically fixed image blowout, that needs to be fixed.

[revolution inaction]

why is there a hammer and sickle?

[Stand Your Ground]

tbh, it looks like something a teenager made in about two minutes using Microsoft Paint. no offense; just being honest with you (I assume you posted it to get feedback, so...)
Well, I'm not a teenager but yes I made it in paint lol. Sorry my screen is bigger, you can always resize it if you wish.

why is there a hammer and sickle?
Why wouldn't there be? It's an anarcho-communist pic.

[Aloysius]

I think the H&K should be a lot bigger, and the Circle-A a lot smaller. Same with the star, as it seems to be kind of falling off the edge
If you wanted to be clever, and not so serious, try something like this:
:blackA:+:hammersickle:=:thumbup:

[revolution inaction]

Why wouldn't there be? It's an anarcho-communist pic.

that's exactly why there wouldn't be.

the hammer and sickle is not an anarchists-communist symbol, it's a leninist symbol, and leninists have a long history of shooting and imprisoning anarchist communists.

[Stand Your Ground]

that's exactly why there wouldn't be.

the hammer and sickle is not an anarchists-communist symbol, it's a leninist symbol, and leninists have a long history of shooting and imprisoning anarchist communists.
The hammer & sickle represents the working class, not one reactionary 'leader'.

[Aloysius]

Since when is the H&K a strictly Leninist symbol?

[revolution inaction]

since the russian revolution

[Urko]

hammer → workers
sickle → farmers

[Pravda Soyuz]

I sometimes feel that the hammer&sickle is kinda outdated, as many of us don't use hammers/sickles anymore. I prefer a stilized fist. symbolizes the worker more accurately. Red/yellow star works fine too (my profile image).

[Unclebananahead]

I'm thinking about making a new, or at least, newer socialist symbol, utilizing the traditional theme of tools (symbolizing workers), which are crossed or in close proximity. It might seem old fashioned, but I certainly can't think of anything better, so I figured that I'd keep the tradition. What could change are the tools. Hammers and sickles will always hold a place near and dear to my heart, but how about monkey wrenches, spanners, and pick axes?

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i like the black and red flag, and any red or red and black star.

[The Man]

http://www.poisonedcandy.com/RAAN/sic2.gif

[Honggweilo]

http://i54.tinypic.com/2gv2450.jpg

[Ocean Seal]

http://www.demotivationalpics.com/albums/userpics2/normal_Reaganomics.jpg

If satirical symbols count, this is my favorite.

[Honggweilo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Fenster_im_Staatsrat.jpg/800px-Fenster_im_Staatsrat.jpg

i always loved this lead in cathedral glass piece from the GDR, bit of a mix between constructivism, art-deco, and cubism

[Means to a end]

I myself personally, a bit off the mark love National Union of Mineworkers banners. They could be classed as a symbol I guess.

Can not post them but google coal miners banners or miners banner.

[Bandito]

i always loved this lead in cathedral glass piece from the GDR, bit of a mix between constructivism, art-deco, and cubism

...and masonry, or so it seems.

[Ele'ill]

a anti anticapitalista and chants!

[scarletghoul]

Hey guys. I'd like to dedicate this thread to far left-wing symbolism. Let's face it, our stuff is much more cooler than right-wing capitalist shit. For example, you won't find a statue like this in a Capitalist state:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Kerala_communist_tableaux.jpg
Actually that is in Kerala, India.

[Reznov]

Soviet statues are indeed like straight from lotr, except that they have industrial age themes.
http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/places-and-sights/_more2000/_more09/Germany-Berlin-Soviet-War-Memorial-statue-of-kneeling-soldier-carrying-helmet-ATE.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PjJcExt6I-w/SwyQhchNbAI/AAAAAAAAALI/BiSynwzpTG0/s1600/worker_peasant_statue.jpg

Oh my, those are really nice. You are right about them feeling like their from the Lord of the Rings films :laugh:

What are the names of these statues?

[Red Commissar]

The first one is a statue at the Red Army monument in Treptower Park, Berlin. The second is the "Worker and Kolkhoz Woman"

[Unclebananahead]

I think it turned out okay.

[Unclebananahead]

I've been monkeying around with this monkey wrench based design. Let me know what you-all think. I think it's new, but still very firmly rooted in the traditions of socialist symbolism.

[JerryBiscoTrey]

Awesome!

[Unclebananahead]

Awesome!

I'm glad you like it. Making it was rather time consuming, I can assure you. I started out with actual pictures of tools. That's my 'secret of success.'

[JerryBiscoTrey]

Good shit man

[L.A.P.]

It's a step above than most images I see on the site.

[irfanlal]

I like it too...

[Meridian]

I'm glad you like it. Making it was rather time consuming, I can assure you. I started out with actual pictures of tools. That's my 'secret of success.'

So you traced the image? ;) Not bad.

[Stand Your Ground]

Look ok, seems a bit crowded though.

[PhoenixAsh]

Good job. :thumbup:

Would leave out the star though...thats a bit crowded as S.Y.G. said.

[scarletghoul]

Is that an ice pick ? I like it.

[Blackscare]

Waaaaaay better than most of the symbols people have posted here, and yet without the pompous "THIS WILL BE OUR NEW SYMBOL TO MARCH UNDER" claptrap.


I like.

[Widerstand]

Is that an ice pick ? I like it.

and that's why we can't have nice things :(

[Unclebananahead]

Definitely *not* an ice pick. Though it is a pickaxe-- so it is a pick though. Nice Lavrenty Beria style joke there, bud. Very amusing.

[Widerstand]

If it was an Icepick, Stalionids and Maoists would be all over it, drooling by now.

[Nolan]

You should have been more careful with the pick. You know the Mexican Icepick Massacre is bound to come up.

[Unclebananahead]

You should have been more careful with the pick. You know the Mexican Icepick Massacre is bound to come up.

It's a pickaxe, and I would hope that miners would come to the minds of those viewing this symbol more than some other consideration.

Purely out of curiosity, what sort of icepick did Trotsky's killer use anyway? It's difficult for me to imagine that he used something as large, and as difficult to conceal as the sort of pickaxe depicted in my symbol.

[Le Socialiste]

Nice, I like it. I'd second those who say remove the star, though - aside from that, great job!

[Zav]

I really like the wrench and pick, but the star is just overkill. You represent the industrial workers twice though, when you include the gear. What if you replaced the gear with the star?

[Tablo]

I think it would be less crowded and look nicer without the gear. Pretty cool though.

[Manic Impressive]

I'm pretty sure they had wrenches and pick axes in the 19th century if you wanted something really modern it should be a computer and a combine harvester :p

[The Man]

This one is pretty cool:

http://liverpoolsolfed.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/anarcho-syndicalist-flags-star.jpg

[Meridian]

http://auntlelo.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/us_dollar_back.gif

^^ OR

http://ballymunsocialist.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/fist-clean-red.jpg
The power of the dollar bill is that it isn't really a symbol, it is a means for monetary exchange. Capitalism does not need a symbol. In fact, any semi-official symbol for it would be detrimental to it, which is why you mostly see left wingers attempt to symbolize it by using the dollar sign and so on. Capitalism is the 'natural' economical model, it is perceived as politically neutral.

[Tommy4ever]

Does anyone know what the common symbol used by communists was before the hammer and sickle became widespread? Was it just a plain red flag?

[Per Levy]

Was it just a plain red flag?

if my memory serves me well then yes it actually was:


The banner of the Paris Commune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune) of 1871 was red and it was at this time that the red flag became a symbol of communism.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#cite_note-Revolutionary-1) The flag was flown at a May Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day) rally for an eight-hour workday in Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago) in 1886. A bomb blast killed a policeman and the Haymarket Eight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Affair) were arrested and five were executed. This event, considered the beginning of the international labor movement, is still commemorated annually in many countries (although not in the U.S.) The red flag gained great popularity during the Russian Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution_%281917%29) of 1917.[/URL]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Flag_%28song%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag#cite_note-su_flag-11)

[Omsk]

The hammer and sickle was first used during the Russian Revolution but it did not become the official symbol of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic until 1924. Since the Russian Revolution, the hammer and sickle has come to represent various communist parties and socialist states.
The red star was one of the emblems, symbols, and signals representing the Soviet Union under the rule and guidance of the Communist Party, along with the hammer and sickle. It was also used as a badge in German concentration camps at the time under Hitler and WWII to mark communists.
The red flag has had multiple meanings in history but it was first used as a flag of defiance. The red flag gained its modern political meaning in the 1871 French Revolution. After the October Revolution, the Soviet government adopted the red flag with a superimposed hammer and sickle as its national flag. Since the October Revolution, various socialist states and movements have used the red flag.

The red flag is probably used first in the context of communism.While all of these symbols are popular,the red star: The star's origins in a mass political movement are found in the Russian civil war and the end of the First World War, though its creator is unknown. It is most often thought that Russian troops fleeing from the Austrian and German fronts found themselves in Moscow in 1917 and mixed with the local Moscow garrison. To distinguish the Moscow troops from the influx of retreating Russians the officers gave out tin stars to the Moscow garrison soldiers, to wear on their hats. When those troops joined the Red Army and the Bolsheviks they painted their tin stars red, the color of socialism, thus creating the original red star

[SacRedMan]

The hammer and sickle is a symbol for the united working class.

[Per Levy]

The hammer and sickle is a symbol for the united working class.

wasnt it much more a symbol of the "united proletariat and peasentry" in the SU?

[Tommy4ever]

wasnt it much more a symbol of the "united proletariat and peasentry" in the SU?


It represents the alliance between the urban workers and the peasantry.

[Hoipolloi Cassidy]

The red flag was the flag of distress of the Paris Commune during the French Revolution, beginning with the champ de Mars Massacre in 1791. It was taken up again by the Parisian insurgents in 1830, until the red-white-and-blue flag was publicly and symbolically substituted for it. After that it became the flag of opposition to bourgeois government in the many street fights between 1830 and 1848.

[SacRedMan]

wasnt it much more a symbol of the "united proletariat and peasentry" in the SU?

Marx I thought Marx created the symbol or something. :confused:

[Tommy4ever]

Marx I thought Marx created the symbol or something. :confused:

No. It was made up by the Bolsheviks around about the revolution.

[Sasha]

Funily enough was the clog a popular libertarian socialist symbol, it even had anarchist journals named after it. Apperently throwing your clog in the machine was an established way of shutting down the factory for an day.

[Desperado]

Funily enough was the clog a popular libertarian socialist symbol, it even had anarchist journals named after it. Apperently throwing your clog in the machine was an established way of shutting down the factory for an day.

Hence the word "sabotage", throwing a sabot (clog) into machinery to stop it from working as was done by peasant in fear of agricultural mechanisation.

[Ravachol]

I was under the impression the red star originated as representing the five fingers of the worker's hand which, when clenched, would form an unbreakable fist.

[Dr Mindbender]

I was under the impression the red star originated as representing the five fingers of the worker's hand which, when clenched, would form an unbreakable fist.

I was under the impression the star was used because it was a astronomical symbol; using the stars to navigate to a progressive future or something like that. Red itself representing the blood of the workers.

The reason the red star on the soviet flag had a gold trim is because that was the case with nautical measurement instruments. At least that was my understanding.

What i want to know, how is it the red rose came to become of the symbol of social democracy. I always believed it was another soviet symbol - The girl offering the red rose to the tsarist soldier.

[bailey_187]

I was under the impression the red star originated as representing the five fingers of the worker's hand which, when clenched, would form an unbreakable fist.

i thought each point on the 5 point represented a group that would create socialism

1.workers
2.peasents
3.intellengstia
4.soldiers
5.youth

maybe wrong tho, seems abit weird thinking about it now

[Astarte]

I would look mainly to the French Revolution for the first expressions of working class, poor peasantry, and very petty bourgeois revolutionary symbols.

"The Sans-Culottes" way of dress ... that is long workers' pants rather than the high knee stockings of the aristocracy and bourgeoisie.

The "Liberty Cap" was also a symbol of revolutionary power ... though that was more co-opted by the bourgeoisie.

Below Papa Smurf models sans-culottes and a charming liberty cap.

http://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/452957-papa_smurf_large-252x300.jpg

[Tim Finnegan]

No. It was made up by the Bolsheviks around about the revolution.
It was originally a "hammer and plough", too, but they changed that because, well...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9xICR1apo5M/TWGuvOQfr3I/AAAAAAAAAF4/cP4X6tg0kWc/s350/COL-25.jpg

Yeah.

[Red Commissar]

Aside from the plain red flag you had other symbols they used to represent workers. Hammers were popular, and I think torches were used too. Lot of it wasn't consistent because communication wasn't developed to the point that it would be consistent across borders.



I would look mainly to the French Revolution for the first expressions of working class, poor peasantry, and very petty bourgeois revolutionary symbols.

"The Sans-Culottes" way of dress ... that is long workers' pants rather than the high knee stockings of the aristocracy and bourgeoisie.

The "Liberty Cap" was also a symbol of revolutionary power ... though that was more co-opted by the bourgeoisie.

Bellow Papa Smurf models sans-culottes and a charming liberty cap.

http://quintessentialpublications.com/tracyrtwyman/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/452957-papa_smurf_large-252x300.jpg

Speaking of sans-culottes and Papa Smurf's hat- the Phrygian cap- was often used as a symbol of the Republican movement and the old rallying cries for liberty. Unfortunately it has been hijacked by right-wing nutjobs for the most part.

[The Man]

It was originally a "hammer and plough", too, but they changed that because, well...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9xICR1apo5M/TWGuvOQfr3I/AAAAAAAAAF4/cP4X6tg0kWc/s350/COL-25.jpg

Yeah.

Worst insignia/symbol ever created. :thumbdown:

[Tim Finnegan]

Worst insignia/symbol ever created. :thumbdown:
The one good thing you can take from it is the inadvertent suggestion that early 20th century Russians were in the habit of using either giant hammers or tiny ploughs on a regular basis. ;)

[Sword and Shield]

The one good thing you can take from it is the inadvertent suggestion that early 20th century Russians were in the habit of using either giant hammers or tiny ploughs on a regular basis. ;)

:laugh:

[Red Phalanx]

The Paschalas used a triangle as a symbol

[ColonelCossack]

Worst insignia/symbol ever created. :thumbdown:

bless 'em for trying! but the hammer and sickle is definitely much more effective.

[Red Phalanx]

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/2/8/3/6/7/5/webimg/480752934_o.gif?nc=862

[Agent Ducky]

Ok, I thought this is a slight improvement on the ancom/anarcho-syndicalist star. Because it's still half red half black, but it pops now. I drawed it mahself =D
http://i56.tinypic.com/dq400g.png

[A.R.Amistad]

Worst insignia/symbol ever created. :thumbdown:

Yeah, the hammer and plough is quite awkward. Although The hammer and sickle was actually in official use by the Bolsheviks soviet government at least as early as July 1918
http://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/constitution/1918/article6.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:State_Emblem_of_the_Russian_SFSR_%281918%E2%8 0%931920%29.svg

And was used by parties other than the Russian CP before it was adopted as their official flag, such as by the CLP in 1919. I always cite that when I hear people describe it as only a "Russian" symbol
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Clpsymbol.PNG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clpsymbol.PNG

I don't think this has really been used, but I also like the idea of a crossed hammer and wrench

http://thumb10.shutterstock.com/thumb_small/548344/548344,1301930413,4/stock-vector-worker-sign-wrenches-and-hammer-74577532.jpg
http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=959&pictureid=8228

[Sasha]

how about the hammer and sword:

http://www.fotw.net/images/d/de%7Dnpdhs.gif

;)

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de%7Dnaz.html#nr

[A.R.Amistad]

how about the hammer and sword:

http://www.fotw.net/images/d/de%7Dnpdhs.gif

;)

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de%7Dnaz.html#nr

Oh "National-Anarchism" :laugh:

The wrench is more proletarian than the sword haha

[Red Future]

I always liked the FRELIMO flag

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Flag_of_FRELIMO_(1997-2004).svg/800px-Flag_of_FRELIMO_(1997-2004).svg.png

[Red Future]

Alongside this

http://flagspot.net/images/m/mz's.gif

[Sasha]

Oh "National-Anarchism" :laugh:

The wrench is more proletarian than the sword haha


strasserism actually but yeah...

[The Man]

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo288/Korintar/FMLF.png

Do you think someone with photoshop skills could make this less blurry?

[Stand Your Ground]

Ok, I thought this is a slight improvement on the ancom/anarcho-syndicalist star. Because it's still half red half black, but it pops now. I drawed it mahself =D
http://i56.tinypic.com/dq400g.png
How come when I try to copy this and paste it in Paint it makes the entire background black and makes it look like shit?

[Tim Finnegan]

How come when I try to copy this and paste it in Paint it makes the entire background black and makes it look like shit?
The background is transparent, and Paint doesn't know how to handle that kind of encoding. You'll have to use Photoshop or whatever.

Although, to be honest, it actually looks kinda cool with a black background, like a sort of spiral-star form:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/spiralstar.png/http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5594/spiralstar.png

:D

[Jose Gracchus]

I'm still partial the plain red banner, myself.

[bcbm]

Ok, I thought this is a slight improvement on the ancom/anarcho-syndicalist star. Because it's still half red half black, but it pops now. I drawed it mahself =D
http://i56.tinypic.com/dq400g.png

uh thats just a nautical star, basically everyone and their mother has it tattooed somewhere

[Sasha]

uh thats just a nautical star, basically everyone and their mother has it tattooed somewhere


yup, i have one on just below my neck on my chest

[Agent Ducky]

The background is transparent, and Paint doesn't know how to handle that kind of encoding. You'll have to use Photoshop or whatever.

Although, to be honest, it actually looks kinda cool with a black background, like a sort of spiral-star form:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/spiralstar.png/http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5594/spiralstar.png

:D

Yeah Paint is stupid that way. But It does look cool....

[Zav]

The CPC logo is decent. It represents Industry and Agriculture without the stigma of the hammer and sickle, which I doubt we'll be able to reclaim any time soon. It could be re-coloured red for a more Leftist feel.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Communist_Party_of_Canada_logo.svg/652px-Communist_Party_of_Canada_logo.svg.png

[bcbm]

The background is transparent, and Paint doesn't know how to handle that kind of encoding. You'll have to use Photoshop or whatever.

Although, to be honest, it actually looks kinda cool with a black background, like a sort of spiral-star form:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/spiralstar.png/http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5594/spiralstar.png

:D

looks like some nazi shit

[Tim Finnegan]

looks like some nazi shit
Actually, yeah, now you come to mention it, it does like it should be plastered on the sides of a Galactic Khanate war-cruiser, or something. Damn rotational symmetry...

[Social-Murphy]

i tried to make something...lol it isnt good though.

[Red_Struggle]

No symbol shall surpass the badassery of the Grain and Gear:

http://americanpartyoflabor.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/0002.jpg

[Agent Ducky]

i tried to make something...lol it isnt good though.

I like it tho. It's interesting :D

[Social-Murphy]

Thanks, i stole other peoples posted pics and threw them together. Thanks again! :thumbup1: :D

[Sasha]

No symbol shall surpass the badassery of the Grain and Gear:

http://americanpartyoflabor.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/0002.jpg

looks rad but not really like grain, looks more like an tetris block dropping or something.
might be more fitting now a days anyway, "factoryworkers and IT monkeys united!"

[Olentzero]

I'm not much for symbols beyond the traditional red fist, but I'd get a T-shirt with Red Struggle's symbol on it.

[Metacomet]

I have a choice of two t-shirts. Being bought for the explicit purpose of not hiding what I believe to my future in laws.

A CCCP t-shirt, or a EZLN t-shirt? I'm thinking the EZLN t-shirt might **WOOSH** over heads.

[Tim Finnegan]

I have a choice of two t-shirts. Being bought for the explicit purpose of not hiding what I believe to my future in laws.

A CCCP t-shirt, or a EZLN t-shirt? I'm thinking the EZLN t-shirt might **WOOSH** over heads.
I'd say that a "whoosh" is better than an "omg stalin", hence my owning one, and not the other. ;) If nothing else, it's easier to explain to people why your expressing sincere sympathies for a peasant autonomist movement than it is why you're pretending to express sympathies for a dead "totalitarian" superpower.

(This is a good one, btw: http://www.bant-shirts.com/ezln-t-shirt.htm They make good quality stuff, and it ticks all the appropriate ethical boxes that you kind of have to tick when you're buying an explicitly lefty shirt. :lol:)

[Metacomet]

I'd say that a "whoosh" is better than an "omg stalin", hence my owning one, and not the other. ;) If nothing else, it's easier to explain to people why your expressing sincere sympathies for a peasant autonomist movement than it is why you're pretending to express sympathies for a dead "totalitarian" superpower.

(This is a good one, btw: http://www.bant-shirts.com/ezln-t-shirt.htm They make good quality stuff, and it ticks all the appropriate ethical boxes that you kind of have to tick when you're buying an explicitly lefty shirt. :lol:)


Thats the one I was looking at :D

My uncle the Doctor of Sociology might like it. I THINK he's secretly a lefty. He's an atheist I know (after his experiences with missionaries growing up in Kenya). And talks about the bourgeois :D

But my future in laws and my future brother in law's friends.........:rolleyes:

Evangelicals them all. Far right. Border patrol agents. military lifers. Cops.

[Libertador]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Anarchist_black_cross_logo.svg/73px-Anarchist_black_cross_logo.svg.png Any variation of the fist. Oh, and Fascists must be jealous that we can brofist as a political statement.

[Tim Finnegan]

Thats the one I was looking at :D

My uncle the Doctor of Sociology might like it. I THINK he's secretly a lefty. He's an atheist I know (after his experiences with missionaries growing up in Kenya). And talks about the bourgeois :D

But my future in laws and my future brother in law's friends.........:rolleyes:

Evangelicals them all. Far right. Border patrol agents. military lifers. Cops.
Hah, then you're a braver man than I! My in-laws are an old Labour-style social democrat mum and a more or less apolitical (if if a bit "small c-conservative") dad, so all I get off them is eye-rolling. :laugh:

[Battlecat]

I say we use my design: the Sickle and Icepick!

[28350]

how relevant

[Flying Trotsky]

Whatever happened to a good ol' red star?

[Metacomet]

Whatever happened to a good ol' red star?

I prefer that over the hammer and sickle to be honest. I prefer a white background as well to a black one.

And yes, I actually think that gear and grain is pretty cool.

[Honggweilo]

No symbol shall surpass the badassery of the Grain and Gear:

http://americanpartyoflabor.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/0002.jpg

good ol' hoxhaist logo-imperialism of the PDPA :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Democratic_Party_of_Afghani stan.svg/433px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Democratic_Party_of_Afghani stan.svg.png

[OhYesIdid]

The Grain and the Gear is seriously good. Lol at the political brofist.

There was a black-on-white anarcho-communist symbol around hre, wasn't there? Somebody mentioned it looked as the symbol for the muslim-socialist conspiracy...

[Zav]

The Grain and the Gear is seriously good. Lol at the political brofist.

There was a black-on-white anarcho-communist symbol around here, wasn't there? Somebody mentioned it looked as the symbol for the muslim-socialist conspiracy...
Yeah, I made that monstrosity. I should really redraw it.
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/saos451316/Graphics/AnarchistCommunismpng.jpg

[Libertador]

Yeah, I made that monstrosity. I should really redraw it.I got the impression that it could also be used for an Arab Anarcho-Communist group.

[OhYesIdid]

I got the impression that it could also be used for an Arab Anarcho-Communist group.

Yeah, it's actually pretty good.

[ColonelCossack]

tbh, it looks like something a teenager made in about two minutes using Microsoft Paint. no offense; just being honest with you (I assume you posted it to get feedback, so...)

The program "paint" is proletarian; it is not some amazingly expensive-super-art & design program that costs £3000.

[gendoikari]

The program "paint" is proletarian; it is not some amazingly expensive-super-art & design program that costs £3000.

Be careful what you say it is from microsoft

[Seresan]

What we need is a flag with an outdated keyboard crossed over a robot.

An outdated keyboard to represent all of the bored office workers and code monkeys.

A robot because we all seem to forget the terrable plight of the machines... we make them do menial tasks all hours of the night for no pay what so ever. :crying:

[Honggweilo]

The program "paint" is proletarian; it is not some amazingly expensive-super-art & design program that costs £3000.

its more like 50 for a single licence, but anyhoo

1. Open-source (GIMP), shareware (3dMax)
2. Long trial versions (adobe)
3. g0t piracy?

[Metacomet]

Yeah, I made that monstrosity. I should really redraw it.
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/saos451316/Graphics/AnarchistCommunismpng.jpg

I wouldn't mind a tat of something approximating this.

[ColonelCossack]

Be careful what you say it is from microsoft

Oh yeah I didn't realise that...

OOPS! :blushing:

[Le Rouge]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1044/canadacomm2.jpg

The future canadian flag :)

Or this one :

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4079/canadacomm.jpg

[citizen of industry]

Never been a fan of the hammer and sickle. It reminds me more of Russia than international socialism. I'm perfectly happy with the simple red star. For union symbolism, I like the fist.

[TelevisionIncarnate]

The Motherland Calls
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4123/62162820.jpg

[TelevisionIncarnate]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1044/canadacomm2.jpg

The future canadian flag :)

Or this one :

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4079/canadacomm.jpg

I was thinking more like this:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/663/canad.png

[Rss]

Hammer and sickle plus five-pointed red star are just fine without any alphabets, in my opinion. It's not like everybody uses latin alphabets.

[DesertRuins]

No Logo

[DeBon]

I have nothing wrong with the hammer and sickle symbols, as all they really stand for is the unification of the agricultural and industrial industries. The hammer and sickle was simply misused. Besides, the hammer and sickle are more aesthetically pleasing than the Anarchy symbol or the fist.

[#FF0000]

I don't think most people have even seen a sickle in their lifetimes at this point.

I like the gear-and-grain thing that a lot of groups have going on, though.

[Yuppie Grinder]

red stars and red fists are just fine

[Astarte]

So far my favorite ones are the monkey wrench/pick-axe and the pan/spatula. All I could think of adding is that in the Imperialist countries workers mostly work in the "service" and "retail" economies, or as petty functionaries, typists, clerks, etc... We should think of tools we are using every day - there should be a myriad of symbols along these lines.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Yeah, I made that monstrosity. I should really redraw it.
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff388/saos451316/Graphics/AnarchistCommunismpng.jpg
I like this. A lot.

I can see it as a chest tattoo.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

I don't have the ability to do it, but maybe somebody could try to do up a black flag with a white hammer and sickle. I think that'd be a good halfway point between Commies and Anarcho's

[Zav]

I don't have the ability to do it, but maybe somebody could try to do up a black flag with a white hammer and sickle. I think that'd be a good halfway point between Commies and Anarcho's
How about black and red? That's been done a lot.
http://www.petemesley.com/images/wrecks/Lermontov/Lermontov-Hammer_and_sickle.jpg

I think you mean Marxists and Anarchists. 'Commies' and 'Anarchos' are the same thing.

[Veovis]

Oh yeah I didn't realise that...

OOPS! :blushing:

Paint.net (http://www.getpaint.net/) is the most proletarian of all, as it is open source. I highly recommend it.

[Veovis]

I was thinking more like this:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/663/canad.png

What about this?

[ClearlyChrist]

Hitler's Head On A Pike Perhaps?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

How about black and red? That's been done a lot.


I think you mean Marxists and Anarchists. 'Commies' and 'Anarchos' are the same thing.

That's nice bro :lol: Personally, I'd still like to find a way to do a black and white flag (i'll probably do it mahself). But that's still epic.


And yes, I did mean marxists vs anarchists. I wrote that late at night where I live, and my grammar and linguistics suffered.

[Smyg]

Love the red flag with black cog and Canadian leaf. :tt1:

[Susurrus]

Never been a fan of the hammer and sickle. It reminds me more of Russia than international socialism. I'm perfectly happy with the simple red star. For union symbolism, I like the fist.

Well, the red star has more to do with Russia. It came directly from a garment the Red Army wore, whereas at least the hammer and sickle uses universal symbols.

[Kamos]

What about this?

You don't happen to be a HoI2 player, do you?

I don't know about you guys, but while I love the hammer and sickle as a symbol, I prefer it when the hammer's handle is long and thus the head sticks out more (like in the Canadian flags posted by Le Rouge, and not like on the one posted by Zav).

[Scrooge]

Does anyone know the story behind the IWW using a black cat as its "symbol"?

[Tim Finnegan]

Does anyone know the story behind the IWW using a black cat as its "symbol"?
It symbolises the wildcat strike, the particular choice of a black cat being linked to the European tradition of sightings of black cats as being bad omens. Some anarchists also attribute the colour to a symbol of anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism, but I don't know if that is present in the IWW usage.

[CommieTroll]

Hitler's Head On A Pike Perhaps?

That's cute, even though the ''love of your life'' is a self confessed Hitler fanatic? You're are a disgrace to Marxism and I really want you to leave these forums for good, I regret even showing you RevLeft. You're a bourgeois, face it. You claim to oppose Capitalism and the ruling class but I'd say you've benefited quite nicely from it. You even use your iPhone to post on RevLeft which is beyond irony, you're just a mindless consumer driven sheep obsessed with material things like most. You're even to ungrateful to appreciate the things you have while all you do is complain about your life when I'd say you get A LOT of things handed to you pretty easily. You truly sicken me

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Does anyone know the story behind the IWW using a black cat as its "symbol"?
several usages:

- symbolizes the wildcat strike

- black cats are considered bad luck if you cross one, so the Wobblies adopted it because they want a little bad luck to come across the bosses.

- there's also one story where in the early years of the IWW, a strike had been staged by workers and things were going really bad for them. While they had been picketing, they came across a scrawny black cat who was suffering from hunger. They decided to feed the cat, and as the cat became healthier as the days went by, the strike was gaining ground too. They eventually won, and this story/legend has been attributed to the adoption of the black cat as a symbol of the IWW as well.

[the Leftâ„¢]

It symbolises the wildcat strike, the particular choice of a black cat being linked to the European tradition of sightings of black cats as being bad omens. Some anarchists also attribute the colour to a symbol of anarchism or anarcho-syndicalism, but I don't know if that is present in the IWW usage.

Ive heard it referred to as sabo-kitty; sabotage cat. It is symbolism for mass disruption of the workplace vis-a-vis wildcat strikes etc

From wiki:

For the IWW, sabotage came to mean any withdrawal of efficiency — including the slowdown, the strike, or creative bungling of job assignments

[Tim Finnegan]

You even use your iPhone to post on RevLeft which is beyond irony, you're just a mindless consumer driven sheep obsessed with material things like most.
Congratulations, you've won the annual Tim Finnegan Award For The Least Coherent Thing I've Read Today.

[CommieTroll]

Congratulations, you've won the annual Tim Finnegan Award For The Least Coherent Thing I've Read Today.

I apologize Tim, I wrote that post in haste and anger. I guess this is not the place for childish quarreling, I'll keep this private from now on.

[ColonelCossack]

That's cute, even though the ''love of your life'' is a self confessed Hitler fanatic? You're are a disgrace to Marxism and I really want you to leave these forums for good, I regret even showing you RevLeft. You're a bourgeois, face it. You claim to oppose Capitalism and the ruling class but I'd say you've benefited quite nicely from it. You even use your iPhone to post on RevLeft which is beyond irony, you're just a mindless consumer driven sheep obsessed with material things like most. You're even to ungrateful to appreciate the things you have while all you do is complain about your life when I'd say you get A LOT of things handed to you pretty easily. You truly sicken me

Whoa there, comrade.

Da Fok?

[Smyg]

That's cute, even though the ''love of your life'' is a self confessed Hitler fanatic? You're are a disgrace to Marxism and I really want you to leave these forums for good, I regret even showing you RevLeft. You're a bourgeois, face it. You claim to oppose Capitalism and the ruling class but I'd say you've benefited quite nicely from it. You even use your iPhone to post on RevLeft which is beyond irony, you're just a mindless consumer driven sheep obsessed with material things like most. You're even to ungrateful to appreciate the things you have while all you do is complain about your life when I'd say you get A LOT of things handed to you pretty easily. You truly sicken me


You know what sickens me? Moralists. And lifestylist communists.

[CommieTroll]

You know what sickens me? Moralists. And lifestylist communists.

This a dispute between me and that user, I know him irl and he was spamming me on my RevLeft page, I've decided to keep this off RevLeft and I would appreciate it if you did the same. I wrote that comment when I was inebriated, I do regret posting in that manner but it's over. And yes, I am somewhat a lifestyle communist to a small degree, you shouldn't make exceptions for hypocritical self proclaimed ''Marxists''. Do you not oppose the bourgeois' way of life?

[Smyg]

I do, I simply don't think it's a good idea to modify your entire life according to ideology. But very well.

[CommieTroll]

I do, I simply don't think it's a good idea to modify your entire life according to ideology. But very well.

I do it at my own free will, I know I sound holier than thou but I do oppose a life of excess within reason.

[Tim Finnegan]

Do you not oppose the bourgeois' way of life?
None of us own factories, if that's what you mean.

[Regicollis]

Something I made in Illustrator. I wanted to do something other than a hammer and sickle.

[#FF0000]

That is actually really good.

But I don't know how I feel about the red/yellow combination that we see so often.

[Regicollis]

Red and yellow are the traditional colours of socialism but I can see why someone would like something different from time to time.

Here are some quick experiments with other colours

[Lanky Wanker]

Red and yellow are the traditional colours of socialism but I can see why someone would like something different from time to time.

Here are some quick experiments with other colours

I'm a red & black sort of guy... 3 of my bedroom walls are dark red and the other is black, so you see where I'm coming from. Those damn anarcho-syndicalists had to claim the best flag. :thumbdown:

[#FF0000]

Red and yellow are the traditional colours of socialism but I can see why someone would like something different from time to time.

Here are some quick experiments with other colours

yeah i just find red/yellow and red/black sorta tiring after seeing them so often.

I do like the Red/white and that white/black a lot, though. I see a lot of anarchist/left-com/hipster communist sites and papers using black/white imagery and it's pretty baller, usually.

[Lanky Wanker]

When black and red gets old I vote for green. It symbolises peace and weed and the community and stuff which fits in with communism perfectly.