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elijahcraig
9th September 2003, 23:55
Che Meets Mao, 1965 (http://www.el-comandante.com/buit08.htm)

Saint-Just
10th September 2003, 18:19
Yes I have seen that before. It is very nice.

Babylon5 Crusade
10th September 2003, 18:45
Nice:

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Wolfie
10th September 2003, 19:43
Yes, che meets mao. Imagine what a propoganda boost that was for mao's govt.

Anyway im announcung my triumphant return to this forum, i see an athsetic change has been undertaken in my absence but im sure the usualls are still here. Ive been travelling for the last 2 months and unable to pereodicly look in of the forum, but im back for a year now anyway.

elijahcraig
10th September 2003, 21:12
Propaganda? You are an idiot.

Loknar
10th September 2003, 21:15
I bet they had some hardcore gay sex the same night.

Nobody
10th September 2003, 21:20
Che had some wicked side burns!

Che actual supported the Chinese in the Sino-Russo (2 minor battles) conflict when China assulted the CCCP. Not sure why, but he did.

Maybe Chairman Mao can tell us more about it.

Lokar, shut up, lose some weight.

elijahcraig
10th September 2003, 21:58
USSR was revisionist by then; Mao was the new upholder of Marxism-Leninism, and Stalin's name against the Capitalist Khrushcev.

the SovieT
11th September 2003, 00:45
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 09:58 PM
USSR was revisionist by then; Mao was the new upholder of Marxism-Leninism, and Stalin's name against the Capitalist Khrushcev.
Mao leninist?

pffffft... :lol:


best joke of the day really....

Nobody
11th September 2003, 01:59
Mao was a MAOIST I think Comrade.

elijahcraig
11th September 2003, 03:26
Ever read Mao? He considered himself a LENINIST. Maoism only existed after his death.

Wolfie
11th September 2003, 17:01
Mao had strong troskite views aswell as lenninist which is why i said propoganda.

Che has photo with mao - promotes mao's revolutionary thinking for other states - propoganda

Ohh and comrade whats with calling me an idiot, instead you could have explained your point and got me to understand your point of view, im sure you would rather post short posts so you could get a higher count. Elitist!

Saint-Just
11th September 2003, 17:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 09:20 PM
Che had some wicked side burns!

Che actual supported the Chinese in the Sino-Russo (2 minor battles) conflict when China assulted the CCCP. Not sure why, but he did.

Maybe Chairman Mao can tell us more about it.
The Sino-Soviet dispute followed what had been a Sino-Soviet Alliance. The Chinese Communists modelled themselves on the Soviet system and militarily the cooperation in the Korean War strengthened this alliance against the west.

Ideologically the Chinese and Soviets were very similar. Once Khrushchev came to power and started his program of 'de-Stalinisation' the relationship soured to a dispute. By 1957 the powers were deeply divided. Ideologically the Soviets were making all sorts of revisionist sentiments, such as Marx and Lenin were wrong etc.

Read Mao Zedong's 'On Khrushchev's Phoney Communism' to see the ideological difference. This is where Mao shows that Stalin had correctly followed Marx and Lenin theory and he uses the works of Marx and Lenin to show that Khrushchev's policies are distinctly contradictory towards Marx and Lenin.

By the 50's the USSR had become a great superpower and China was also a major player on the world stage and had the potential should it be able to achieve the same economic success as the Soviets to become a third superpower. Thus Mao called for a far more hostile policy towards the capitalists in the world since the Soviet Union and China could afford it as together they were extremely powerful and could bring about the victory of world socialism.

However, the Soviet foriegn policy had become highly concillatory and said that rather than fight the Americans they should cooperate to bring peace. Mao knew that capitalism and communism were so ideologically opposed and that communism was supposed to bring an end to capitalism that they could not cooperate at all.

As the Soviets reached the 50's era of a great superpower and China had gone through its bolshevik style revolution he said: 'the east wind prevails over the west wind'.

The traitor to socialism, Khrushchev, however had different ideas and denied any kind of socialist, anti-imperialist alliance.

From ideological foundations the dispute escelated. The USSR refused to give the Chinese nuclear weapons. And whilst the Chinese were urging militant revolution worldwide the Soviets were rather expanding their influence unjustly in eastern-europe. The Chinese could never achieve dominance over the Soviets since economically the Soviets were far stronger.

The Soviets, after the death of Stalin had sabotaged world socialism and soon after Deng Xiaoping took a similar revisionist line. The Sino-Soviet dispute continued until the fall of Mao by 1976.

Elijahcraig is correct as to the reason why Che supported the Chinese.

Wenty
11th September 2003, 19:40
it seems obvious to me why che backed china, they were for World revolution and so was he! He wanted a united latin america etc. But i am sort of preaching to the converted here so i'll stop!