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Fawkes
18th February 2011, 08:45
So I plan on writing and directing a short film next month that will be largely funded by this group:
http://campusmoviefest.com/
(they provide cameras and editing equipment)

In addition to funding much of the necessary equipment, they also host your movie on their website and play it/submit it where they think is suitable. So, they pay for a lot of it and they promote it -- basically the best thing I could realistically ask for. Here's the problem though: in doing this, I sign over exclusive rights of all materials pertinent to the film to the company that runs this. In other words, they can distribute, remake, sell (with them making all the money), etc. my work with no input/benefit from/for me. Now, I'm gonna be realistic and assume that I'm no Orson Welles and that my first movie is not going to become "the greatest film ever made", but still, I don't want any motherfuckers owning something I made. I can't even (legally) embed the movie on a website or submit it to a festival without the company's permission.

Realistically, it probably won't even be an issue, but I still hate not having control over something I've made and put a lot into. So, do you think I should take the opportunity to have about 80% of my filmmaking costs paid for me and have my movie submitted for competition and screenings or should I say fuck em and try to save up the money to do it myself and retain full ownership (thereby losing out on a lot of exposure)?

To be honest, I'm not too sure how artist contracts with distributors normally work so maybe it's unrealistic for me to -- at least at this stage -- hope to get funding and distribution for anything I make without signing rights over.

Rusty Shackleford
18th February 2011, 11:22
maybe work on your script plot and all that jazz for a long while and save up while you are doing it?

Fawkes
18th February 2011, 18:08
maybe work on your script plot and all that jazz for a long while and save up while you are doing it?

Yeah, I could do that, it's just the resources they provide that are the main impetus for wanting to do it. Editing software can be downloaded (FinalCut Pro is $1,000), but if I wanted to shoot something on my own, I'd have to rent cameras and lighting equipment, which, depending on how many days I spend shooting, can be a few hundred per day. Plus, they guarantee exposure online and at the film festival.

Rusty Shackleford
18th February 2011, 21:16
i have another opinion.


make something incredibly awful for them to have to show at the film festival.

kitsune
18th February 2011, 21:32
Tough call. I really hate the idea of you not retaining any rights for your work, but it does seem like an incredible opportunity. And it could lead to better opportunities.

Is the experience and exposure worth it? In a fundamental sense, no. That's why we want to change the system. But within the context of the system that we have, it may very well be worth it. There's not a lot of good choices in this system, especially at the beginning of a career. I think I'd take the shot.

Fawkes
18th February 2011, 23:11
i have another opinion.


make something incredibly awful for them to have to show at the film festival.

The people that run it advise against showing graphic violence, drug use, sex, etc.

This is why:

We encourage all CMF participant's movies to follow the criteria below:

No profanity. No nudity. No graphic violence. No drug use. No hate speech.

Other movies will not be judged differently and will not be removed from the competition, but they will be severely limited in exposure opportunities with partner outlets such as AT&T handsets & websites, Virgin America in-flight entertainment, television networks, and Apple affiliated websites.

My movie as it is currently written has intravenous drug usage, a suicide, and a rape scene. This is a good and bad thing though: it would keep those assholes from making money off of me, but I would also like to have it broadcast wherever possible (provided it's not for an advertisement).


And kitsune, I think I probably am going to go for it, it's next to impossible to start out a career by operating completely outside of the existing system.

Tablo
19th February 2011, 03:00
Those same guys are at my campus. I recommend going for it. Movies are expensive and to have the production mostly payed for is awesome. It does suck they would be able to make money off of your creation, but I think the exposure would be worth it.

¿Que?
19th February 2011, 07:08
Just make a movie highlighting your technical abilities, but don't invest any real thought into it. Do a standard plot, standard characters etc. That way you keep your original ideas, and you also have something to put on a resume.

Tommy4ever
19th February 2011, 19:42
This offer seems to good to refuse. Realistically this movie probably won't make huge amounts of money (unless you are indeed the new Orson Welles :p) so you won't be missing out on much. I think the experience of actually making a film and the chance to get people to see your work would be very valuable for you if you decide to continue to make films in the future.

So suck it up and accept the damn offer. :D