Communism

[Purple]

I a communist community where everybody has (not far from) the same sallary and advantages, how does an education pay off? It doesn't seem like an education would be very useful to your sallary, although you are very good educated, it just seems like getting the job counts, and you'll get the same sallary, educated or not...



I know this seem a bit basic, but I've just been reading the posts in Theory for the last 4 months, but I really haven't been replying or commenting very much... Know all the different political aspects, as communism, and socialism, and capitalism and everything, and I'm a democratic socialist by belief and principles, but this is a topic that I've never really thought much about, or read anywhere here.....

[革命者]

well, education-- if it may or may not increase your salary is still an enrichment for the mind....
isn`t it?

and intellectual capacity and open-mindedness, which a good education will bear, increases your change to be involved with (political) debate/decisions, thus being very rewarding and more satisfactory.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 03:46 PM
well, education-- if it may or may not increase your salary is still an enrichment for the mind....
isn`t it?

and intellectual capacity and open-mindedness, which a good education will bear, increases your change to be involved with (political) debate/decisions, thus being very rewarding and more satisfactory.
I agree. The point of education is to learn necessary things and I suppose to also satisfy intellectual curiosity in whatever field(s) of science, language, etc. you have interest in.

[Umoja]

So everyone won't recieve the same education, and besides the money issue it'll resemble Capitalist societies right? Some people will want to drive 18 wheelers for a living, why should they need to be educated past 18?

[BuyOurEverything]

Well if you wanted to get an interesting job, you'd have to be educated. True you'd get the same salary sweeping the streets but not many people would want to do that for their whole lives.

[redstar2000]

Some thoughts on education in communist society...

http://www.sawu.org/redstar2000/monthlythe...rt_from=&ucat=& (http://www.sawu.org/redstar2000/monthlytheoryarchives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1052634513&archive=1054467213&cnshow=archive&start_from=&ucat=&)

http://www.sawu.org/redgreenleft/YaBBImages/smoking.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.sawu.org/redstar2000)
A site about communist ideas

[Vinny Rafarino]

There is no such thing as "salary" in a communist society.

[mEds]

ina communist society ythere should be no such thing as oney and abolishment of capital.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I think you need to re-phrase that last post.

[Purple]

Good replies, and the link from you, RedStar, was very informative....

[Purple]

Redstar:

From The Redstar 2000 Papers;


"Some semi-formal structures may exist from time to time depending on need...but the factory-like (or jail-like) atmosphere of education under capitalism is, frankly, an enemy of real education. Modern "education" is really intended to teach obedience...and like any well-designed tool works pretty good for that purpose. "


When you want to get a job in such a system; how do you prove your knowledge, and study-field? An alternativ education seems to be very shallow, and doesn't seem to be able to prove your knowledge...

[Nobody]

There would be a test to see if you know your stuff, average, you should read ALL of Redstar's article, not just half. :D

[Purple]

I didn't had the time to read all of it, but I will soon...

[Nobody]

I know. It's ok though sport.

Although you fail the litercy portion of the test. :lol:

[chamo]

Education is important in a Communist system as it is in any. It lets us learn more skills and lessen political apathy. In Socialist society it's free and open to all, and it is not or does not have to be intentionally geared towards better equipping us to be good little workers or businessmen, but to achieve a better sense of being and understanding.

[redstar2000]

When you want to get a job in such a system; how do you prove your knowledge, and study-field?

Well, it depends.

Let's say, to put it politely, that intellectual pursuits have never been your greatest strength. So you decide you'd like to take up some kind of work that doesn't make heavy demands on your mental capabilities.

Probably, you'd go to some commune or collective that needed help with physical labor and, assuming you were fit and not a total ignoramus, they'd take you on and give you the simple training that you needed.

Other extreme: you're really bright and decide that brain surgery or rocket science is right for you.

You've "pushed" your own self-education pretty hard, through libraries, the internet, etc. You've also tried to find a collective that would train you to do this stuff...eventually, if you really were as bright and knowledgeable as you thought, one would let you in. You'd be an "apprentice" at first, working with people who already know what to do. They'd be quizzing you constantly...not in a room full of multiple-choice tests, but in terms of the practical work right in front of you.

As you demonstrated your growing competence, you would be invited to take on more difficult tasks.

Eventually, you would be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist...not because you had a piece of paper saying so (in Latin), but because you had shown the people around you--also experts--that you know what you're doing.

As you see, I don't subscribe to the theory that the best way to learn things is to sit in a room full of people, listen to someone yap, read a textbook, and then regurgitate a small portion on a series of tests.

That's a good way to generate credentials, but as you may note from the posts of Comrade RAF, it says nothing at all about real knowledge or competence.

If you'd like to try a little taste of "educating yourself" without worrying about credentials, try here...

http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Global/all-courses.htm#Top

http://www.sawu.org/redgreenleft/YaBBImages/smoking.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.sawu.org/redstar2000)
A site about communist ideas

[Purple]

Thank you! I will take the time to read your Redstar papers, during my mathematics lessons in school, aswell as the MIT thingy...

So while I'm 'doing the one form of education, I will learn and most propably admire the other type of education...

Thanks for enlightening me! :)

[Comrade lex]

educating should be the payment