how could small buisness could help AKA bud struggle dilema

[danyboy27]

For a while now, its became a well known ritual to ***** and complain (rightfully) toward buisness in general for owning the mean of production.

Surprisingly, there still a certain number of buisnesses involved in funding and help toward progressive groups mainly small buisness but sometimes bigger.

Beside allowing unions, what could people like bud, who seem to ''support'' the leftist cause could do to help, and in return, what could we leftist do to help people like bud to democratize their buisness.

This is a brainstorming topic.

[RGacky3]

What they could do is actively support leftist cuases. What leftists could do is help stomp out unfair competition from bigger companies (unless we get the whole pie, in which we democratize the buisiness).

People like Bud would never democratise their buisiness? Why on earth would they? Then it would'nt be their buisiness any more?

[danyboy27]

What they could do is actively support leftist cuases. What leftists could do is help stomp out unfair competition from bigger companies (unless we get the whole pie, in which we democratize the buisiness).

People like Bud would never democratise their buisiness? Why on earth would they? Then it would'nt be their buisiness any more?

there is always the possibility of a half-democratic workplace.

There are numerous advantage and perk of having this kind of structure put in place in a buisness.

i remember of a story about a owner of a paint company, the guy deliberately democratized the workplace, transformed it in wooblie shop.

he was still getting a good share in the profit made by the buisness and wasnt forced to do 50 hours a week of management to do so.

[Rafiq]

Give their workers control over the buisness's along with them too in control equal with them.

[Dean]

Frankly, it doesn't surprise me that some businesses make genuine efforts to try to make things better for everyone. As we can see from the offset, however, some improved conditions are improved conditions for capital.

This is why I think a significant redistribution of wealth, at least in the short term, will be occurring very soon. I am hoping that the WI protests are a part of it.

[Thug Lessons]

I'll never understand why everyone is so enamored with 'small business'.

[Bud Struggle]

I'll never understand why everyone is so enamored with 'small business'.

True it's BIG BUSINESS that's really great. :D

(Kidding, OK? )

[Dimentio]

Small businesses could be progressive if.

I. They are non-profit entities (they could have surplus, but profits should not be their purpose).

II. They are cooperative entities which aims to help the lives of their members.

III. They cooperate with identical or similar grass-root networks.

IV. They build up the foundation for an existence where their members are increasingly independent from capitalist processes.

[B5C]

I'll never understand why everyone is so enamored with 'small business'.

Small business are the one who run most of America, but that is slowly dieing away due to big corporations who want that part of the market.

[RGacky3]

there is always the possibility of a half-democratic workplace.


Thats called a workplace with a union, (Bud, having a suggestions box is not democratic.)


i remember of a story about a owner of a paint company, the guy deliberately democratized the workplace, transformed it in wooblie shop.

he was still getting a good share in the profit made by the buisness and wasnt forced to do 50 hours a week of management to do so.

Can you link me to that story? I've heard stories like that before too (very very rare), but they are generally as the buisiness is crashing.

[hatzel]

To be honest, I think there are probably plenty of left-leaning small business owners. Let's tell them all to use their business as a 'subsistence business' and donate all their profits to the cause :rolleyes:

[Revolution starts with U]

The entrepreneur is every bit as exploited as the average worker is. He still has to pay a class of individuals rents, etc merely because they claim "ownership" over the land, buildings, and capital. He just gets a little bigger of a stipend.

[hatzel]

The entrepreneur is every bit as exploited as the average worker is. He still has to pay a class of individuals rents, etc merely because they claim "ownership" over the land, buildings, and capital. He just gets a little bigger of a stipend.

Hence...as the old saying saying goes, 'money talks'. I think most revolutionaries would want to have these small business owners on their side, not least because the small business owner has a little bit more money than the average worker, which he might be willing to invest in the socialist movement, which he is also set to gain from. It's a foolish revolutionary who makes an enemy of the small business owner...Bud will always be a comrade of mine! :lol:

[Lord Testicles]

Since when did we start asking what the bourgeoisie can do for us? They are parasites and we should treat them as such.

[hatzel]

Hence the definition of what is a small business. It could be petty-bourgeois, that famously confused class...:)

[Lord Testicles]

Hence the definition of what is a small business. It could be petty-bourgeois, that famously confused class...:)

Small bourgeoisie are still bourgeois regardless of their size.

[hatzel]

Perhaps. But I do remember there being a thread here in OI not long about about gun control, and all these people wanting guns to fight the state. If Bud decided to stop spending his money on holidays and instead said he wanted to buy all of us a gun, so that we could fight the system, are we supposed to accept it or reject it? Ignoring the fact that I would personally reject anybody offering me a gun, but that's not the point! :rolleyes:

[Lord Testicles]

Perhaps. But I do remember there being a thread here in OI not long about about gun control, and all these people wanting guns to fight the state. If Bud decided to stop spending his money on holidays and instead said he wanted to buy all of us a gun, so that we could fight the system, are we supposed to accept it or reject it? Ignoring the fact that I would personally reject anybody offering me a gun, but that's not the point! :rolleyes:

How does this fantastical hypothetical situation relate to/or help us understand the actual situation?
Let say that this situation does arise and Bud not only decides to buy us all guns and equipment but also purchases the service of several groups of mercenaries. How would we go about using these things to bring about communism or destroy capitalism?
Because if all we need is corporate sponsorship I don't see why bigger groups just don't contact somebody like Coca-Cola or McDonald's and promise to wear their logo on their t-shirts at the next march or something. Hell, if we rename some anti-capitalist\militarist\racist march the "Eat healthy with McDonald's march" or the "Keep fit with the Coca-Cola walk" they'd probably be willing to throw some money at us. :rolleyes:

[hatzel]

How does this fantastical hypothetical situation relate to/or help us understand the actual situation?

It was technically the OP's question. What could Bud (or some other small business) do for us? Fund us! Let us use his photocopier for our flyers! There's plenty of stuff that Bud could do for us, and there is also reason that Bud might want to help out :) Or, maybe not Bud, but there are plenty of small business owners who might still consider themselves, in their little shop somewhere, slogging away to earn a crust, and would rather avoid all that, and not have to worry about paying the rent on their place, or whatever, and who might decide that they would benefit from the transition to socialism. It's not that far-fetched an idea...and these people are in a situation whereby they have money, they might (not my shop example) have the means of production, which puts them at an instant advantage over the average worker, who has neither...so we shouldn't make ourselves their enemy, necessarily, if they're potentially keen to get involved...

[Lord Testicles]

It was technically the OP's question. What could Bud (or some other small business) do for us? Fund us! Let us use his photocopier for our flyers! There's plenty of stuff that Bud could do for us, and there is also reason that Bud might want to help out :) Or, maybe not Bud, but there are plenty of small business owners who might still consider themselves, in their little shop somewhere, slogging away to earn a crust, and would rather avoid all that, and not have to worry about paying the rent on their place, or whatever, and who might decide that they would benefit from the transition to socialism. It's not that far-fetched an idea...and these people are in a situation whereby they have money, they might (not my shop example) have the means of production, which puts them at an instant advantage over the average worker, who has neither...so we shouldn't make ourselves their enemy, necessarily, if they're potentially keen to get involved...

But if we are looking for funding, why aim for the small fry? Coca-Cola is going to have far more financial clout then your local corner shop and if your local corner shop has an advantage over the average worker then the Coca-Cola company or Reynolds American, Inc. has a distinct advantage over both.

[RGacky3]

If by small-buisiness man you mean a plumber, or a doctor, or whatever, then yeah, sure, but those type of professions are not really exploitative (self-employed, maybe with a secretary or apprentice or whatever).

Many times small buisiness bosses are way mroe douchy than the CEOs, because they are fighting the class warfare eye to eye face to face, CEOs just sign papers and send emails.

Step one for being a socialist friendly buisinessman (as in one whos main productivity comes from employees, that would be Bud too), would be don't union bust, put people before profits, and support progressive causes, and don't be a douchbag.

I personally don't really care to go out of my way to court small buisinessmen, unless its something in their self interest.

But the main ruling class, and the main target of class warfare should be the big guys, the corporate executives, the banksters, the fund managers, the industrialists and so on.

[RGacky3]

BTW, trying to beat the Capitalist at the money game will never ever ever ever work, thats the worst strategy in the world.

[Lord Testicles]

Many times small buisiness bosses are way mroe douchy than the CEOs, because they are fighting the class warfare eye to eye face to face, CEOs just sign papers and send emails.


Not to mention that big businesses can take a financial hit like the indroduction or raising of a minimum wage where as small businesses might fight more vermantly against such things because they can't or don't want to afford them.

[RGacky3]

Actually thats not really the case.

Publically traded companies have a legal obligation to maximise profits, no matter what, if they don't, their stock price falls, and their competators stock goes up.

Non publically traded companies can take a hit and its fine.

Also large corporations have a say over public policy, smaller companies generally do not.

Capital markets are a very important part of class warfare.