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Rusty Shackleford
16th February 2011, 15:13
I know maybe 90 % of all revlefters have had (or more likely) still do have pimples. turns out it is very closely linked to your diet.

im not one to read dietary articles but this one is very interesting.

two basics:
stop drinking milk(or at least drink a helluva lot less, also there are probably a million reasons to not drink American supermarket milk)
stop consuming so much sugar
source. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/do-milk-and-sugar-cause-a_b_822163.html)

It's confirmed. Dairy products and sugar cause acne (http://drhyman.com/do-milk-and-sugar-cause-acne-4079/).
As our sugar and dairy consumption has increased over the last 100 years so has the number of people with acne. We now have over 17 million acne sufferers, costing our health care system $1 billion a year, and 80-90 percent of teenagers suffer acne to varying degrees. The pimply millions rely on infomercial products hawked by celebrities or over-the-counter lotions, cleansers, and topical remedies. Recent research suggests that it's not what we slather on our skin that matters most but what we put in our mouth.
Many have suggested a diet-acne link, but until recently it has not been proven in large clinical studies. Instead dermatologists prescribe long-term antibiotics and Accutane, both of which may cause long-term harmful effects. In 2009, a systematic review of 21 observational studies and six clinical trials found clear links. Two large controlled trials found that cow's milk increased both the number of people who got acne and its severity. Other large randomized prospective controlled trials (the gold standard of medical research) found that people who had higher sugar intake and a high glycemic load diet (more bread, rice, cereal, pasta, sugar, and flour products of all kinds) had significantly more acne. The good news is that chocolate (dark chocolate that is) didn't seem to cause acne.
The dietary pimple producing culprits--diary and sugar (in all its blood sugar raising forms)--both cause spikes in certain pimple producing hormones. Dairy boosts male sex hormones (various forms of testosterone or androgens) and increases insulin levels just as foods that quickly raise blood sugar (sugar and starchy carbs) spike insulin.
Androgens and insulin both stimulate your skin to make those nasty, embarrassing pimples. One patient recently told me he would give a million dollars for a pill to cure acne. He doesn't need to. It seems that for many the cure to acne is at the end of their fork, not in a prescription pad.
While pimples are not as simple as too much milk or sugar in your diet, both have a significant impact. Nutritional deficiencies as well as excesses can worsen acne. Correcting common deficiencies including low levels of healthy omega-3 anti-inflammatory fats (http://drhyman.com/dr-oz-show-omega-3-fats/), low levels of antioxidants such as vitamin E, zinc, and vitamin A, and including an important anti-inflammatory omega-6 fat called evening primrose oil all may be helpful in preventing and treating unwanted pimples. I will explain how you can correct and incorporate all of these nutritional elements of your diet and outlines some supplements that will help you fight acne in a moment.
But first it is worth taking a deeper look at milk and sugar.
Stay Away from Dairy and Avoid Acne
One scientist referred to milk (http://drhyman.com/dairy-6-reasons-you-should-avoid-it-at-all-costs-2943/) as a "complex aqueous, suspended fat, liposomal, suspended protein emulsion". What we do know is that milk is designed to grow things--namely, babies--and in the case of cow's milk, calves. It is naturally full of what we call anabolic hormones (the same ones that body builders and A Rod use to grow big muscles, and which cause bad acne). These are mostly androgens (like testosterone) and growth hormones including insulin like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). There is no such thing as hormone-free milk.
Here's a short list of the 60-some hormones in your average glass of milk--even the organic, raw, and bovine growth hormone free milk:


20α-dihydropregnenolone
progesterone (from pregnenolone)
5α-pregnanedione
5α-pregnan-3β-ol-20-one, 20α- and 20β-dihydroprogesterone (from progesterone)
5α-androstene-3β17β-diol
5α-androstanedione
5α-androstan-3β-ol-17-one
androstenedione
testosterone
dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate acyl ester
insulin like growth factors 1 and 2 (IGF-1 and IGF-2)
insulin

This is what our government suggests we drink in high doses--at least 3 glasses a day for me, a healthy adult male, according to the mypyramid.gov (http://www.mypyramid.gov/) website. Those guidelines have been strongly criticized by many including leading nutrition scientists from Harvard such as Walter Willett and David Ludwig.
The famous Nurse's Health Study (http://www.channing.harvard.edu/nhs/) examining health habits of 47,000 nurses found that those who drank more milk as teenagers had much higher rates of severe acne than those who had little or no milk as teenagers. If you think it is the fat in milk, think again. It was actually the skim milk that had the strongest risk for acne. In other studies of over 10,000 boys and girls from 9 to 15 years old, there was a direct link between the amount of milk consumed and the severity of acne.
It appears that it is not just the anabolic or sex hormones in milk that causes problem but milk's ability to stimulate insulin production. It actually may be the lactose or milk sugar in milk that acts more like a soft drink than an egg. Drinking a glass of milk can spike insulin levels 300 percent. Not only does that cause pimples, but it also may contribute to prediabetes. This is true despite studies funded by the dairy council showing that milk helps with weight loss. The question is compared to WHAT diet--a diet of bagels and Coke, or a healthy phytonutrient, antioxidant-rich, plant-based diet with lean animal protein?
Stay Away from Sugar, Refined Carbs, and Pimples
If a glass of milk causes pimples, that may drive you back to your Pepsi. But not so fast. Recent studies also show that sugar and refined carbs (a high-glycemic diet) cause acne. More importantly, taking kids off sugar and putting them on a healthy, whole foods, low-glycemic load diet resulted in significant improvements in acne compared to a control group eating a regular, high-sugar American diet. In addition to less pimples, the participants lost weight, became more sensitive to the effects of insulin (http://drhyman.com/topic/diabetes-pre-diabetes/) (resulting in less pimple-producing insulin circulating around the blood). They also had less of the sex hormones floating around their blood that drive pimples. We know that women who have too much sugar and insulin resistance (http://drhyman.com/5-steps-to-reversing-type-2-diabetes-and-insulin-resistance-591/) get acne, hair growth on their face, hair loss on the head, and infertility. This is caused by high levels of circulating male hormones and is called polycystic ovarian syndrome but is a nutritional, not gynecologic disease.
But the dietary influences don't stop there. It is not just sugar, but the bad fats we eat that may also contribute to acne.
Get an Oil Change
Our typical Western diet is full of inflammatory fats--saturated fats, trans fats, too many omega-6, inflammatory, processed vegetable oils like soy and corn oils. These increase IGF-1 and stimulate pimple follicles. Inflammation (http://drhyman.com/topic/inflammation/) has been linked to acne, and anti-inflammatory omega-3 fats (http://drhyman.com/dr-oz-show-omega-3-fats/) (from fish oil) may help improve acne and help with many skin disorders.
Balance the Hormones that Cause Skin Problems
The link is clear--hormonal imbalances (http://drhyman.com/ultrawellness-lesson-3-hormones-neurotransmitters-129/) caused by our diet trigger acne. Our diet influences sex hormones like testosterone, IGF-1, and insulin, which promote acne. The biggest factors affecting your hormones is the glycemic load of your diet (which is determined by how quickly the food you eat increases your blood sugar and insulin levels), and the amount of dairy products you eat. The good news is that eating a healthy diet and taking a few supplements can balance those hormones. Exercise also helps improve insulin function.
How To Prevent and Treat Acne
Eight simple steps will help most overcome their acne problems.
1. Stay away from milk. It is nature's perfect food--but only if you are a calf.
2. Eat a low glycemic load, low sugar diet. Sugar, liquid calories, and flour products all drive up insulin and cause pimples.
3. Eat more fruits and vegetables. People who eat more veggies (containing more antioxidants and anti-inflammatory compounds) have less acne. Make sure you get your 5-9 servings of colorful fruits and vegetables every day.
4. Get more healthy anti-inflammatory fats. Make sure to get omega-3 fats (fish oil) and anti-inflammatory omega-6 fats (evening primrose oil). You will need supplements to get adequate amounts (more on that in a moment).
5. Include foods that correct acne problems. Certain foods have been linked to improvements in many of the underlying causes of acne and can help correct it. These include fish oil, turmeric, ginger, green tea, nuts, dark purple and red foods such as berries, green foods like dark green leafy vegetables, and omega 3-eggs.
6. Take acne-fighting supplements. Some supplements are critical for skin health. Antioxidant levels have been shown to be low in acne sufferers. And healthy fats can make a big difference. Here are the supplements I recommend:


Evening primrose oil: Take 1000 to 1500mg twice a day.
Zinc citrate: Take 30 mg a day.
Vitamin A: Take 25000 IU a day. Only do this for three months. Do not do this if you are pregnant.
Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols, not alpha tocopherol): Take 400 IU a day.

7. Try probiotics. Probiotics also help reduce inflammation in the gut that may be linked to acne. Taking probiotics (lactobacillus, etc.) can improve acne.
8. Avoid foods you are sensitive to. Delayed food allergies are among the most common causes of acne--foods like gluten, dairy, yeast, and eggs are common culprits and can be a problem if you have a leaky gut.
Following these simple tips will help you eliminate acne and have that glowing skin you have always dreamed of. And it's much cheaper (and safer) than expensive medications and dermatologist visits. Improve your diet and take acne-fighting supplements and you will watch your pimples disappear.
For more information on how to optimize your nutrition (http://drhyman.com/topic/diet-nutrition/) and improve your skin, see www.drhyman.com (http://www.drhyman.com/).
Now I'd like to hear from you.
Have you struggled with an acne or skin problem? Have you noticed any link between your skin? What seems to be a problem for you?
Why do you think we are encouraged to consume so much dairy when the risks to our health (and our skin) are so high?
What other steps have you taken to fight acne? What has worked? What hasn't?
Please share your thoughts by leaving a comment below.
To your good health,
Mark Hyman, MD

Hoplite
16th February 2011, 20:38
Eh, grab a tube of toothpaste and you'll be fine.

I never had too much trouble with it when I was younger and toothpaste covered the trouble I did have.

brigadista
16th February 2011, 20:42
drink a LOT of water and take zinc supplements- keep your hair clean and off your face...dont squeeze....

Lyev
16th February 2011, 22:29
From what I understand, it is largely to do with hormone levels.

Proukunin
16th February 2011, 22:59
I heard soft drinks have a link to acne too. im not sure if it is true but I dont really drink them and my face has been clean for about 6 years(when i stopped drinking them heavily)

ill have one or two a month maybe.

Widerstand
16th February 2011, 23:20
There's a hell lotta reasons for it. Sometimes it's serious infections (skin disease), sometimes it's caused by bad diets, sometimes by bad hygiene, sometimes by hormones. Sometimes you can have bad diets / bad hygiene and still not get pimples, sometimes you can have awesome hygiene and diet and shitty hormone levels, drugs (smoking and alc are really bad), or you can have a skin disease which is really crap.

That being said, I found out that when changing from medium levels of sports to low levels of sports/almost no sports at all, changing my diet from a vegan, mostly eco-food and homemade stuff based one to mostly junk food vegetarian one, cutting some slack on my hygiene and starting to smoke, my amount of acne remained mostly stable (it decreased a bit LOL)

Fuck my hormone levels I guess.

Niccolò Rossi
17th February 2011, 10:32
To be honest this is something I know nothing about. Literally like nothing. I'm guessing alot of people who have posted are the same...

Its' really not enough to say that 'hormones' produce acne. What hormes and at what levels. Hormones are pretty fucking important to health, infact they are central in determining our state of being so having an understanding of what's going on with them and how diet and lifestyle affect them is a good thing.

The suggestion to cut the milk is probably a good idea, anecdotally. I eat a fuck ton of dairy (in the form of cheese) and I can't say I have a problem (although I do regularly get individual pimples at the sides of my mouth and on my chin).

The suggestion regarding reducing your refined carb intake is also good, just in general really. Most people eat shit loads of sugar without really thinking about it. Chocolate milk, soda, cordial, candy, cakes, pastries, white bread - this shit isn't even fit for human comsumption (for most people in most cases). Reducing your refined carb intake will have good effects all over.

Some people have suggested anecdotally that eating high fat diets (such as keto) have the bonus of nicer hair, skin and nails. I'm in my last few weeks of eating keto now and can't really say I've noticed much but. Not really suggesting you go keto or up your fats significantly though...

Nic.

vietnampathfinderlinks
17th February 2011, 10:35
do not eat too many carbohydrates

Widerstand
17th February 2011, 11:02
Its' really not enough to say that 'hormones' produce acne. What hormes and at what levels. Hormones are pretty fucking important to health, infact they are central in determining our state of being so having an understanding of what's going on with them and how diet and lifestyle affect them is a good thing.

No shit dude, the things that regulate a wealth of body functions are "pretty fucking important".

Also here, for starters:

http://www.skin-beauty.com/hoefonacsk.html



The suggestion regarding reducing your refined carb intake is also good, just in general really. Most people eat shit loads of sugar without really thinking about it. Chocolate milk, soda, cordial, candy, cakes, pastries, white bread - this shit isn't even fit for human comsumption (for most people in most cases). Reducing your refined carb intake will have good effects all over.

Some people have suggested anecdotally that eating high fat diets (such as keto) have the bonus of nicer hair, skin and nails. I'm in my last few weeks of eating keto now and can't really say I've noticed much but. Not really suggesting you go keto or up your fats significantly though...

Nic.

There are tons of ways to balance your diet, but just saying "more fat less carbs" doesn't cut it. From what I know, that sugar causes acne may also be a myth. Many nutrients if eaten in excess may contribute to it. Acne can happen for a shit ton of reasons, what one needs to know is why their, individual acne happens. Then they can come up with ways to fight it.

Something which should definitely be beneficial are some hygiene standards. Acne is, first and foremost, a cluttering of skin pores. Crap (bacteria) gets inside, the pores close, the body starts to attack whatever is inside. A good way to fight this is to cleanse your pores regularly (but not overdoing it) and to keep them clean in the first place. So, washing ones face with hot water (and soft) twice a day should be the minimum. Don't squeeze pimples, except with clean hands, and be sure to somewhat sterilize them afterwards. No touching the face, that brings shitloads of crap in there! Don't irritate the skin (eg rub on it with rough materials). Clean (facial) hair, clean bedsheets and clean towels may be also beneficial.
What's very good is sweating, as sweating opens up facial pores and runs them out. One should make sure to clean the face with water after, because "decomposing" sweat can contribute to acne.

Sentinel
17th February 2011, 13:48
stop drinking milk(or at least drink a helluva lot less, also there are probably a million reasons to not drink American supermarket milk)Even if this actually helps, I would suggest that at least growing persons who choose to exclude dairy products from their diet only do so if they can replace them with another good protein source such as meat, fish, eggs or at least soy.

In any case, make sure you get your recommended daily dose of proteins.

FreeFocus
18th February 2011, 04:22
I think it's different for everyone (everyone's body is different anyway, so there will be few solutions that work for everyone). The best way to prevent acne is to keep your face clean and have a healthy diet. Most people will still get some, but just taking care of yourself in general should reduce the likelihood of them occurring frequently.

Apoi_Viitor
18th February 2011, 05:07
I used to have really, really bad acne - and apparently it was because of an allergy I had to gluten. For me, no more gluten = no more acne.

Of course, allergies are rather unlikely to cause acne, but I think most acne problems can be solved by eating healthy and washing your face twice a day. In any case, the fact that most indigenous and non-westerners have significantly lower rates of acne, show that diet and acne are highly correlative.

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/031100puacne.htm
http://www.news.colostate.edu/Release/1531

Also, some vitamins to try would be zinc, fish oil, and b-12.

And if all else fails, take accutane. That shit is strong enough to (literally) kill unborn children (and treat facial cancer).

Os Cangaceiros
18th February 2011, 05:10
I'm glad that I don't have acne (and never have had it).

Anyway, it's perfectly possible for one to ingest a diet with nothing that's stereotypically acne-inducing (like, say, greasy food or chocolate) and still have acne breakouts. That's because your skin (the largest organ in your body) secretes moisture naturally (although just how much varies from individual to individual), and if your pores have a tendency to clog than it doesn't really matter what you're eating; you're going to break out. That's how a former skin doctor explained it to me, anyway.

Niccolò Rossi
18th February 2011, 07:14
There are tons of ways to balance your diet, but just saying "more fat less carbs" doesn't cut it.

...which is exactly what I didn't say.


Don't squeeze pimples, except with clean hands, and be sure to somewhat sterilize them afterwards. No touching the face, that brings shitloads of crap in there! Don't irritate the skin (eg rub on it with rough materials). Clean (facial) hair, clean bedsheets and clean towels may be also beneficial.
What's very good is sweating, as sweating opens up facial pores and runs them out. One should make sure to clean the face with water after, because "decomposing" sweat can contribute to acne.

The few pimples I do get probably aren't helped by my terrible habit of constantly, constantly squeezing them. This is good advice.

Latley though I've had a bit of trouble because of the heatwave we had. I work a manual job and during that week I was literally loosing litres and litres of sweat. The furry band across the forehead of our hard hats just gets saturated with sweat and when its just sitting their in contact with your skin for so many hours I was getting mad baby pimples all over my forehead. I've been exfoliating on and off (more off than on which probably doesnt help...) and it has minimised the problem.

Nic.

Hoplite
18th February 2011, 07:28
I used to have really, really bad acne - and apparently it was because of an allergy I had to gluten. For me, no more gluten = no more acne.

Of course, allergies are rather unlikely to cause acne, but I think most acne problems can be solved by eating healthy and washing your face twice a day. In any case, the fact that most indigenous and non-westerners have significantly lower rates of acne, show that diet and acne are highly correlative.

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/031100puacne.htm
http://www.news.colostate.edu/Release/1531

Also, some vitamins to try would be zinc, fish oil, and b-12.

And if all else fails, take accutane. That shit is strong enough to (literally) kill unborn children (and treat facial cancer).
That's a lot to slather on your face.

Toothpaste always worked well for me. Dab a little bit on a problem spot, wait about half an hour, wipe the area off and bingo no more zit. Just DONT, under any circumstances, leave the toothpaste on for more than an hour, you WILL burn your face.

Tablo
24th February 2011, 08:15
I have noticed I only tend to get acne when I have been eating poorly or have not washed my hair or face lately. Diet seems to be pretty major for me.

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
24th February 2011, 18:19
It's Jews poisioning the waters in an attempt to make White men less attractive to White women so they will get with Black men thus ending the White Race. Notice how Black people never get spots..

An archist
28th February 2011, 09:26
It's Jews poisioning the waters in an attempt to make White men less attractive to White women so they will get with Black men thus ending the White Race. Notice how Black people never get spots..

Funny, a black friend recently made fun of his doctor because she thought the same thing.

progressive_lefty
28th February 2011, 10:28
Lack of sleep, means pimples for me..

Stand Your Ground
28th February 2011, 20:37
I've had acne since the 6th grade, ever since I have tried every suggestion ever made to me. Some helped for a couple days, then it all came back (yes, with still doing what I was told) and some didn't work at all. But I stopped caring around 8th grade anyway, now I just say fuck it.

Hoplite
28th February 2011, 21:50
I've had acne since the 6th grade, ever since I have tried every suggestion ever made to me. Some helped for a couple days, then it all came back (yes, with still doing what I was told) and some didn't work at all. But I stopped caring around 8th grade anyway, now I just say fuck it.
Tried toothpaste? It sounds insane but it works. Dab a little on the problem area, let it sit for a half hour to 45 minutes, then wipe it off. It'll burn like a mother but it WILL help combat the problem.