Satanism

[JerryBiscoTrey]

I noticed there were some Satanists on this forum and i was very curious about your worldview. I;ve heard a few things about it but the descriptions i've heard have been poor and made it sound hedonistic. So i was wondering if anybody could tell me what this worldview is all about and/or supply some good resources for learning

[Kuppo Shakur]

http://www.churchofsatan.com/
Read it and weep.

[Black Sheep]

www.churchofsatan.com (http://www.revleft.com/vb/www.churchofsatan.com)
Read it and weep.
I wept at a 404.

Satanism is the shit.
1.Observe a dumbfuck belief system, christianity.
2.Create an even more stupid one, based on the stupidity of (1)
3.Think it's cool and rebellious.

[JerryBiscoTrey]

I wept at a 404.

Satanism is the shit.
1.Observe a dumbfuck belief system, christianity.
2.Create an even more stupid one, based on the stupidity of (1)
3.Think it's cool and rebellious.

Haha yea from what i've read it also seems like a form of "Randism" as in like "only the strong survive" bullshit and whatnot

[Princess Luna]

try this link
http://www.churchofsatan.com/
i love this rule they have
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
:laugh:

[scarletghoul]

As far as I know most self-described Satanists do not seriously believe in the religious things, but simply like the imagery and whatever ideas are attached to it.

Laveyan Satanism (the CoS) is indeed degenerate hedonist individualism. It is the main branch of Satanism, at least in the west. I started a group on RevLeft called "Dialectical Satanism" because I think Luciferian imagery is beautiful and cool and can complement an emancipatory world outlook (rebel angels, the wretched of the earth, etc etc.. coincidentally we have a daily communist newspaper in the UK called the Morning Star, which is also another name for Lucifer ). It's nothing serious, but I like to think there is a sort of link among us who 'get' it.

Satanism doesn't really have its own 'worldview' but rather lends its cool imagery to a pre-existing worldview (indvidualism in Lavey's case, Dialectical materialism and communism for me, countless things for countless others). That is, except for the few crazy people in the world who actually do believe in and worship Satan. You'd have to ask them what that was about lol.


Satanism is the shit.
1.Observe a dumbfuck belief system, christianity.
2.Create an even more stupid one, based on the stupidity of (1)
3.Think it's cool and rebellious.
Lol. A lot of people do just think its cool and rebellious, but I genuinely relate to and am inspired by the imagery, having grown up with Danzig, Samhain, hardcore-era AFI, etc. + its not a belief system. Though i admit i was once tempted to become a card carrying CoS member if only for its IRL troll value :lol:

[Revolution starts with U]

I like the idea that God punished us for our pursuit of knowledge and Satan being the one that encourages us to our final emancipation from God through knowledge.

I could get down with that. :thumbup:

[Lobotomy]

I'm pretty sure that LaVeyan satanism stresses anti-dogmatism, even though it is dogmatic in itself...

[Black Sheep]

try this link
http://www.churchofsatan.com/
i love this rule they have
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
:laugh:

LLOL'd

Literally laughed out loud.

[Thug Lessons]

Satanism seems far more fitting for libertarians than leftists.

[Astarte]

Levay Satanism is BS. It is rightwing garbage essentially. If you want an alternative to the official canon I would suggest investigating the Pseudepigrapha and Apocrypha. http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/

I am not sure if it is on there or not, but the "Paraphrase of Shem" is interesting, it is allegedly written by Shem (as in Noah's son). It includes a bit of the gnostic creation myth, but then delves into revising Genesis, saying such things as the demiurge actually destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah because they were righteous cities.

On that website is also the now cliched Gospel of Judas, which gives an alternate perspective of Judas as being, according to what Christ tells him, among the most enlightened of the disciples and thus most able to bear the burden of having to sell Jesus out.

If you read the Apocryphon of John you will find an elaboration of the first chapters of Genesis; mostly describing events prior. It will also explain how the "God" that created the physical world is actually ... none other than the Demiurge, Samael, Yaltaboath ... Satan. 'Tis why he is the "Earthbound" one. Gnostics recognize this and declare the physical world a prison house of the pure spiritual world; which explains why life is suffering.

As far as more modern theologies throughout the Middle Ages there was an abundance of heretical movements which flew in the face of orthodoxy and were communistic in that they believed all things and property were to be shared in common, like the Brethren of the Free Spirit.

Then of course you have the Renaissance magicians such as Dee and Agrippa, who essentially were re-establishing pagan religious belief in the West ... from which later modern Freemasonry would build on...

[ChrisK]

Think Ayn Rand with candles and rituals.

[Dr Mindbender]

you have to pay $200 to join. I think its more of a business than a religion.

[Fulanito de Tal]

I read an article a while ago that described Satanism as an anti-Christian philosophy. The felt that atheism did not do enough to counteract the effects resulting from Christianity, so Satanism is what developed to attack Christianity. The don't necessarily believe in Satan or in breaking all of the 10 commandments. They believe in fighting against the Christian church.

[L.A.P.]

Haha yea from what i've read it also seems like a form of "Randism" as in like "only the strong survive" bullshit and whatnot

You're exactly right, LaVeyan Satanism basically promotes the philosophy of Ayn Rand. The hedonistic traits of Satanism ,that are influenced by Ayn Rand, are mainly to retaliate against the communitarian ideas of Christianity. Satanism is basically pseudo-anti authoritarianism.

[Tablo]

Some of the older pagan works are of interest to me, but the CoS is boring as are most of these newly formulated beliefs. I, as any individual with an ounce of common sense, am not religious and couldn't care less about gods and demons beyond seeing them as a passing fancy to read about.

[scarletghoul]

You're exactly right, LaVeyan Satanism basically promotes the philosophy of Ayn Rand. The hedonistic traits of Satanism ,that are influenced by Ayn Rand, are mainly to retaliate against the communitarian ideas of Christianity. Satanism is basically pseudo-anti authoritarianism.
Yeah. I like the egalitarian universalism in the story of Christ, but there's no way I could live without that Luciferian spirit of the rising of the wretched of the Earth (some would say that Christ embodies that too, but I find the Christian version difficult to embrace because it relies on the support of God, whereas Lucifer and the rebel angels stand for the will to overcome the tyranny of God itself). As Michale Graves said, "Jesus Christ inspires me, Lucifer inspires me." Its the same with Marx and Bakunin I guess, sort of.. :lol:

[L.A.P.]

Yeah. I like the egalitarian universalism in the story of Christ, but there's no way I could live without that Luciferian spirit of the rising of the wretched of the Earth (some would say that Christ embodies that too, but I find the Christian version difficult to embrace because it relies on the support of God, whereas Lucifer and the rebel angels stand for the will to overcome the tyranny of God itself). As Michale Graves said, "Jesus Christ inspires me, Lucifer inspires me." Its the same with Marx and Bakunin I guess, sort of.. :lol:

Well if you really look into the Christian story of Satan you notice that the whole idea of Satan is not so much the embodiment of evil but the demonization of questioning authority. This shows that there has always been a contradiction between the actual ideas of Jesus and the Church that claims to represent his ideas. The Church tells us to not question authority (through the story of Lucifer) while Jesus questioned the authority of the Roman Empire, the Church meant to feudalism what the mall means to capitalism and yet Jesus was probably the first Communist. Bottom line, Jesus rocks and Christians suck.

[gorillafuck]

Hold up, there are satanists here?:confused:

When did that happen?

[JerryBiscoTrey]

Hold up, there are satanists here?:confused:

When did that happen?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=559

[jinx92]

The Satanic reds aren't communist, although they use the sickle and hammer. They look up to FDR as an awesome politician. They accept communists and socialists of all sorts, however, as there main principles aren't in conflict with revolutionary leftism.

[gorillafuck]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=559I thought that wasn't serious....


The Satanic reds aren't communist, although they use the sickle and hammer. They look up to FDR as an awesome politician. They accept communists and socialists of all sorts, however, as there main principles aren't in conflict with revolutionary leftism.What in the hell are you talking about?

[jinx92]

What in the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking bout the Satanic Reds, hence the fact that I used their name in my post??

[Amphictyonis]

Stalinists and Satanists sitting in a tree....

[gorillafuck]

I'm talking bout the Satanic Reds, hence the fact that I used their name in my post??You missed my point.

[scarletghoul]

The Satanic reds aren't communist, although they use the sickle and hammer. They look up to FDR as an awesome politician. They accept communists and socialists of all sorts, however, as there main principles aren't in conflict with revolutionary leftism.
The dialectical satanist usergroup isn't aligned with the Satanic Reds, we just use their logo as the group image because its cool.

We are not serious, we are not an organisation, we are just a RevLet usergroup for communists who like Satan.

[resurgence]

The dialectical satanist usergroup isn't aligned with the Satanic Reds, we just use their logo as the group image because its cool.

We are not serious, we are not an organisation, we are just a RevLet usergroup for communists who like Satan.

The thing is though that Satanism and Satanic imagery is very much linked into the ultra-right.

http://www.detoxorcist.com/satanism-and-the-far-right.html

I believe though that the Maoist Internationalist Movement had some weird exchange with Satanists who were slighty into them for being so "extreme" (the whole thing about when they got to power that they would execute Brittany Spears as an example even if she repented of her decadence probably played a part in those nutters being attracted to them). The guy who Varg of Burzum murdered was apparently into Pol Pot and Mao because they "killed lots of people" aswell.

[bcbm]

The thing is though that Satanism and Satanic imagery is very much linked into the ultra-right.

http://www.detoxorcist.com/satanism-and-the-far-right.html


whoa

http://www.detoxorcist.com/images/sr.jpg

[hatzel]

I don't know why, but still, every time I read anything about Satanism, I always think "what's that got to do with Satan...?" for a good couple of seconds before I remember that I have to totally forget everything I know about Satan from the Biblical accounts, and replace it with some weird Christian interpretation...then it makes sense...:rolleyes: What I'm trying to say here is that Satan-based systems seem totally different from a Jewish perspective than they do from a Christian perspective. Jewish / Old Testament Satanism would be rather interesting, though, I'd like to see how that would come together...

[ComradeMan]

I don't know why, but still, every time I read anything about Satanism, I always think "what's that got to do with Satan...?" for a good couple of seconds before I remember that I have to totally forget everything I know about Satan from the Biblical accounts, and replace it with some weird Christian interpretation...then it makes sense...:rolleyes: What I'm trying to say here is that Satan-based systems seem totally different from a Jewish perspective than they do from a Christian perspective. Jewish / Old Testament Satanism would be rather interesting, though, I'd like to see how that would come together...

It's not even really much of a Christian idea in terms of actual scripture etc but more mixed up with Medieval folklore and such- a bit like Hassidic folklore and legend as opposed to the Tanakh and Talmud (perhaps :lol:). The idea of the "Adversary" is also to be found in the New Testament/Gospels in the temptation of Christ in the wilderness. No horned devils who are red with pitch forks etc.

[Viet Minh]

Satanism seems far more fitting for libertarians than leftists.

Satanism is about survival of the fittest and the individual over the masses, that's essentially Fascist/ National Socialist.

[bcbm]

Satanism is about survival of the fittest and the individual over the masses, that's essentially Fascist/ National Socialist.

fascism is anti-individualist though


The world seen through Fascism is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all others and standing by himself. . . . The man of Fascism is an individual who is nation and fatherland, which is a moral law, binding together individuals and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct for a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space; a life in which the individual, through the denial of himself, through the sacrifice of his own private interests, through death itself, realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.

[Princess Luna]

fascism is anti-individualist though

Its "individualist" in the sense that they both believe those can't take care of themselves should just die off , the difference is Fascists use the state to help nudge the process along.

[Viet Minh]

fascism is anti-individualist though

Its elitist, it favours some individuals but not all. Leftism is collectivist, it treats all people as equals workign for the greater good, Satanism emphasises individual power over others. In extreme forms of satanism they even refer to human sacrifice, though i'm not sure how much of that actually goes on.

[Demogorgon]

fascism is anti-individualist though
The difference is pretty meaningless though. When you get down to it "individualist" doesn't really mean anything at all except that some people think it is a positive sounding word to give to their beliefs. If you want to see what an ideology really means look at its attitude towards equality, see if it likes hierarchy and so on.

As to whether Satanism is Libertarian or Fascist, simply put it has strong elements of both, which isn't very surprising because as I have long argued the two have much more in common than advocates of the former, if not the latter, are glad to admit. Incidentally Lavay himself described Satanism as "Just the philosophy of Ayn Rand with added ritual".

[BougieandTheBanshees]

Fascism and individualism are very obviously not mutually exclusive.

Like, I suppose, every other belief system, LaVeyan Satanism is arbitrary, so it doesn't make sense to deny the red satanists their view of satan since it appears they are non-theistic.

However, even without beliefs of divinity, Jesus would be a better role model. Theologically speaking, other than being a "revolutionary", what is there to commend lucifer?


So in the end, those with the pentagram and the hammer and sickle are most likely just using both for shock value instead of philosophical or political meaning. They would need to be re-educated.

[Imposter Marxist]

The only satanism worth looking at is Dialetical Satanism. :cool:

[deLarge]

Satanist here. *****es don't know 'bout my Giosuè Carducci



Think Ayn Rand with candles and rituals.
So in other words, no different than any other Objectivists?