Some interesting questions

[Andriyan]

I am very new when it comes to communism, so...

For example if there were lunatics, where would they be placed, and who would guard them? If communism is absolute freedom, who the fu*k would want to guard some lunatics? If you understand :confused:

[Impulse97]

Erm. I think I get your point...

Communism is one peg above Anarchism, which seems to be what your trying to describe. In Communism, while stateless and classless would still have infrastructure, which I assume, would include mental health facilities. Anarchism too would likely have this sort of infrastructure out of necessity. Now there are people who enjoy working with the disabled and would likely do it out of compassion or love for the field. Whether this would be enough staff to support all of the mentally handicapped I cannot say. Incentives may have to be placed with the job to attract others to work there.

Also, how a facility like that would be run would be drastically different than that of today. Instead of a for profit business it would be run directly by those who worked there and used for the good of the local community instead of a source of income for some fat cat CEO.

Good luck learning dude! It'll be a ***** at first with having to rethink a lifetime of ingrained opinions and learn a whole new vocabulary but, in the end it'll open up doors you never had access to before.:hammersickle::che::hammersickle:

[¿Que?]

First off, I think I like the way you describe communism as "absolute freedom." That actually makes some sense to me.

I guess then the next step is consider what "absolute freedom" or communism means. Communism is an abstract idea, it is not something concrete yet. As such, any information about the state of communist affairs can only be a deduction, from the abstract to the concrete, or in laymen terms, from generalities to specifics. Now, the only thing that we can say about communism, in the abstract, is itself a form of deduction/induction from the concrete, but this concrete is not communism but capitalism. But we understand that capitalism has within it already, all the necessary qualities for communism, it's really a matter of reorganizing society (that is, we're not waiting on some technological breakthrough that will usher in a new era of communism, such as how bourgeois science generally frames historical progress).

The point, ultimately, is that it is hard to answer these questions without possibly being absolutely wrong about everything. Because ultimately, it can only be speculation about a future society that may not ever exist. I suppose we could say for certain that such a society admits the freedom to do what is necessary for society, as opposed to ours that generally restricts our time to do necessary things in order to produce profit, or what have you, but I think doing so is just more generalizing.

[Black Sheep]

First off, I think I like the way you describe communism as "absolute freedom." That actually makes some sense to me. I really don't though. :blushing:
It's big labels like these that feed the "It's a utopia!!!1" bullshit.It's not absolute freedom, no collective society can sustain absolute freedom -coexistence with your fellow man and cooperation require compromise and restrictions - , only stirneric anarchism can (and it's bullshit).

[Decolonize The Left]

I am very new when it comes to communism, so...

For example if there were lunatics, where would they be placed, and who would guard them? If communism is absolute freedom, who the fu*k would want to guard some lunatics? If you understand :confused:

Think of it this way:
We don't know where the lunatics would be placed (if anywhere) and who would decide where they go and how they get there. We don't know anything about what will happen within a communist organization of economic distribution.

What we do know is that you will have your say in what happens according to your ability, and you will get what you need. It will be up to you and your fellow workers to determine what happens to the lunatics in your community (and perhaps larger).

Make sense?

- August

[¿Que?]

I really don't though. :blushing:
It's big labels like these that feed the "It's a utopia!!!1" bullshit.It's not absolute freedom, no collective society can sustain absolute freedom -coexistence with your fellow man and cooperation require compromise and restrictions - , only stirneric anarchism can (and it's bullshit).
Yes, I was wondering when someone was going to call me on that. The term "absolute freedom" is sort of counterproductive, and does suggest a certain type of Utopianism.

[Red Future]

I really would prefer if people referred to such people as having mental illness rather than "lunatics"

[Impulse97]

I really would prefer if people referred to such people as having mental illness rather than "lunatics"


One step ahead of you bro.:hammersickle::che::hammersickle:

[Broletariat]

I'm pretty sure the mentally ill would be catered to by, y'know psychologists and doctors trained for that kind of stuff? Sort of like how shoes will be made by the shoe craftsman and all that.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Lunatics reside on the moon. They don't need guarding as they are more than likely dead if anything. When we have reached communism, production would be based on use-value. Unless we find a use for guarding dead lunatics on the moon, we will probably focus our economical power elsewhere.

[MarxistMan]

The word lunatic is a relative word. Because for example in USA being a marxist is being a lunatic. Saying that we need to overthrow the US capitalist government on CNN is a lunacy. So we have to be careful by using the words crazy or lunatics. I think that' its better to use the psychiatry labels as personality disorders like paranoia, borderline, schizophrenia.

Besides in a socialist system there would still be psychiatrists and psychologists, and they would be either a lot cheaper or free. And crazy people are not evil, they are just sick in the mind, just like having hepatittis or a cold

So there is nothing evil about people with mental disorders. In fact in capitalist violent individualist societies like America most people are crazy and have some sort of mental disorders. So there is really nothing weird about having a mental disorder such as depression, paranoia, and schizophrenia. Heck man in this system where americans are billed to death, taxed to death, with low-wages, US dollar collapsing, losing its buying power, americans getting poorer and not seeing any economic programs, all wealth of the country concentrated in the 5% oligarchic-class.

The national security state controlling US citizens, harassing immigrants, blacks, CIA, FBI and police and the whole militarized and controlling americans it is normal for people to be paranoid, neurotic, nervous and to have some sort of mental problems

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I am very new when it comes to communism, so...

For example if there were lunatics, where would they be placed, and who would guard them? If communism is absolute freedom, who the fu*k would want to guard some lunatics? If you understand :confused: