Russia's war on Chechnya

[IHP]

"The war with Chechnya is Russia's equivalent to the 'War on Terror'"

Discuss.

I agree. I think it's primarily an imperialist urging sold under the guise of protecting their way of life.

What do you think?

--IHP

[Urban Rubble]

I think that I wish Andrey posted a bit more regularly. I could use some entertainment.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by i hate [email protected] 8 2003, 10:45 PM
"The war with Chechnya is Russia's equivalent to the 'War on Terror'"

True, except unlike the Americans, they CAN win their "war on terror".

[Bianconero]

There's no question this is imperialism at it's best. Chechnya has a right to self - determination. The Russian capital is looking stronger than ever before.

[RevolucioN NoW]

Russia's war in Chechnya is another imperialist adventure, costing the russina people 10 fatalities a week.

The government stands accused of duping the people into continuing the war by staging terrorist attacks such as those that destoyed several moscpw highrises several years ago.

October 2002's theatre seige is suspected for FSB (new KGB) involvment, i mean, how could some 50 terrorists get across Moscow unoticed and storm such as high priority building?

Im not sure if the Chechens should have full independance however, but unrestrained autonomy and a Russian military pullout sounds like a good idea

:ph34r:

[suffianr]

'Never happen. What, do you reckon the Russians would give up the opportunity to mine the precious resources within it's ex-satellite states? That fact that they Chechens are predominantly Muslims doesn't help, either. They've always been a thorn in their side. No, Capitalist Russia has much to benefit from the pillaging of Chechnya...

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 03:29 AM
'Never happen. What, do you reckon the Russians would give up the opportunity to mine the precious resources within it's ex-satellite states? That fact that they Chechens are predominantly Muslims doesn't help, either. They've always been a thorn in their side. No, Capitalist Russia has much to benefit from the pillaging of Chechnya...
i think thats pretty much right.

[Invader Zim]

Im not going to pretend to know anything about Chechnya. All I do know is that Chechen rebles kill Russian workers rather than military, so they are automatiacally not worthy of support, any more than the Russians are, same goes for IRA.

Of course if anyone wants to correct me on this, please do.

[cubist]

whilst we are on russia and its capitalists what do you guys think of roman abromnovich?

[Urban Rubble]

Enigma, it is no more a mater of support for the terrorists than it is with Palenstenians. I have no respect for terrorists, Palestenian, Chechen, Russian or Israeli. I don't agree with them killing Russian civilians. However, they DO need their own state, just as Palestine does. I mean, things are fucked on both sides, but disregard everything else and just think, should they have a state or should they not ? That's what it comes down to.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 12 2003, 06:17 PM
Enigma, it is no more a mater of support for the terrorists than it is with Palenstenians. I have no respect for terrorists, Palestenian, Chechen, Russian or Israeli. I don't agree with them killing Russian civilians. However, they DO need their own state, just as Palestine does. I mean, things are fucked on both sides, but disregard everything else and just think, should they have a state or should they not ? That's what it comes down to.
Like I said, I dont know enough to make an informed decision, but I agree with you that people like the chechens have a right to self determination, just that terrorism is not the way to go about it.

[suffianr]

Like I said, I dont know enough to make an informed decision, but I agree with you that people like the chechens have a right to self determination, just that terrorism is not the way to go about it.

Like what? Politely asking Russia to withdraw all those noisy tanks and scary armed men who like to rape their children?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 06:48 PM

Like I said, I dont know enough to make an informed decision, but I agree with you that people like the chechens have a right to self determination, just that terrorism is not the way to go about it.

Like what? Politely asking Russia to withdraw all those noisy tanks and scary armed men who like to rape their children?
I don’t know what they should do, but placing pipe bombs in civilian area's to kill and maim as many people as possible is NOT the answer. Anyone who says it is, is a sadistic bastard.

[Urban Rubble]

I don't know a whole lot about the situation either. I just can't condone killing civilians under ANY circumstances. If you're going to attack, attack the government or the military, shit, even the cops would be more reasonable then killing innocent people.

[IHP]

I, like millions of others, don't have an answer as to how the Chechens can become seperate.

However, the argument here is that killing civillians is wrong, irrespective. I agree. But it could be argued that the Russians killed as many Russian citizens in 'terrorist' attack as the seperatists. Take for example the buiding explosions a few years ago that the Russians were so quick to label terrorists. Also the siege in the theatre where I believe it was over 100 civillians died as a result of the gas used by the Russian military.

Also, I think (similar to the U.S's 'War on Terror') the more that Russia punishes Chechens, the more likely that other Caucasian, moslem states (Dagestan for example) will join/support Chechnya.

--IHP

[suffianr]

There's always two sides to the coin; the Russians don't want to pull out because they don't think they're doing anything wrong, and the Chechens won't stop hitting soft targets because they know that's where it hurts the PR of the Russian campaign the most, ultimately, a dreadfully vicious cycle.