Hello from the Centre!

[Viet Minh]

Hello I'm new here. I would not describe myself as Communist or Socialist, but definitely Liberal and left wing, and antifascist and antinazi! Looking forward to some interesting discussion and possibly debates, if I'm welcome to stay that is!

[Sasha]

No communist yet you have an hammer and sickle in your avatar, antifascist yet an loyalist (an group infested to the roots with fascism) pardon me but wut??? :confused:

[Vampire Lobster]

Welcome. I hope during your stay here we'll be able to finally infect your mind with our God and Queen-hating drivel! :redstar2000:

[scarletghoul]

Welcome

Yes your avatar is pretty curious haha, but you seem fairly open-minded I guess..

You should know however that most of us support full Irish independence, and there are quite a few Irish Republicans here

[Widerstand]

Welcome, good luck evading the repression :lol:

[PhoenixAsh]

Hmm....welcome....

I guess....

[gorillafuck]

why is your name a website that upon google searching, I've realized isn't even a real website?

Also, what is up with the avatar?:confused:

[Red Commissar]

why is your name a website that upon google searching, I've realized isn't even a real website?

Also, what is up with the avatar?:confused:

It's a modified "Ulster Banner", hammer and sickle instead of the crown.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Ulster_banner.svg/600px-Ulster_banner.svg.png

Typically used by Unionists/loyalists. Was the flag of the government of North Ireland until the early 1970s.

Strange combination...

[ellipsis]

welcome! you might get restricted because of your views, fyi.

[Viet Minh]

No communist yet you have an hammer and sickle in your avatar, antifascist yet an loyalist (an group infested to the roots with fascism) pardon me but wut??? :confused:

Yes I'm not a Communist. The avatar was done light-heartedly, I actually didn't think it had uploaded. I would disagree about the infested with fascism bit but you're entitled to your opinion.


Welcome. I hope during your stay here we'll be able to finally infect your mind with our God and Queen-hating drivel! :redstar2000:

I am a Monarchist (they have a right to exist) but I don't believe they should be funded by the taxpayer. I'm more of a Cromwellian Parliamentarian anyway, and besides the Saxe-Coburgs are not rightful heirs to the throne imo.


Welcome

Yes your avatar is pretty curious haha, but you seem fairly open-minded I guess..

You should know however that most of us support full Irish independence, and there are quite a few Irish Republicans here

I support Northern Ireland Independence, or even Union with Republic of Ireland, if it is achieved through Democratic and non-violent means with the support of the majority. And no surprise to the last bit!


Hmm....welcome....

I guess....


Welcome, good luck evading the repression :lol:

:thumbup1:


why is your name a website that upon google searching, I've realized isn't even a real website?

Also, what is up with the avatar?:confused:

It works if you visit directly.


It's a modified "Ulster Banner", hammer and sickle instead of the crown.

Typically used by Unionists/loyalists. Was the flag of the government of North Ireland until the early 1970s.

Strange combination...

Not necessarily, I'll admit there are unfortunately a lot of fascist/ nazi/ nationalist nutcases on the fringes of Ulster Loyalism, but there are left wing loyalists as well such as the PUP.


welcome! you might get restricted because of your views, fyi.

Okay, i'm here to learn, and it seems possibly to bring something new here as well.

[PhoenixAsh]

I am a Monarchist (they have a right to exist) but I don't believe they should be funded by the taxpayer. I'm more of a Cromwellian Parliamentarian anyway, and besides the Saxe-Coburgs are not rightful heirs to the throne imo.


So you believe in worldy power by hereditary rulership? Or more of a symbolic function for the Monarchy?

Who, in your opinion, is/are the rightful heir(s) to the throne?

[khad]

Why no restriction or ban yet?

[Viet Minh]

So you believe in worldy power by hereditary rulership? Or more of a symbolic function for the Monarchy?

Who, in your opinion, is/are the rightful heir(s) to the throne?

No I don't believe in the Monarchy having any political power (even symbolically) but in essence if they make us so much money (in terms of tourism etc) then I see no reason why they can't live in their palace and make money from guided tours, public appearances etc, as well as donations from their supporters.

Like I say I am not a Monarchist, so my opinion of the rightful heir is irrelevant, no one should be there.

[Viet Minh]

Why, should there be? :confused:

[Nolan]

So you're a monarchist liberal. Why come here?

[Viet Minh]

So you're a monarchist liberal. Why come here?

I don't label myself as a Monarchist, I don't object to the royal families existence, I only object to me having to pay 50p per year for them when they do f*** all for me.

And I'm here to learn and discuss, like everyone else.

[danyboy27]

beccause he havnt said anything reactionary yet?.

[Dóchas]

beccause he havnt said anything reactionary yet?.

Does supporting a monarchy not merit oi?

[khad]

beccause he havnt said anything reactionary yet?.
Or perhaps you have difficulty reading. That or you were let out of OI about 100 years too early.

The very first post in this thread:


Hello I'm new here. I would not describe myself as Communist or Socialist, but definitely Liberal and left wing, and antifascist and antinazi! Looking forward to some interesting discussion and possibly debates, if I'm welcome to stay that is!

[gorillafuck]

It's a modified "Ulster Banner", hammer and sickle instead of the crown.

Typically used by Unionists/loyalists. Was the flag of the government of North Ireland until the early 1970s.

Strange combination...I know, that's why I was curious.

[Ostrinski]

Liberals are statist. This leaves you on the side of the counter revolution.

[TC]

Liberals are statist. This leaves you on the side of the counter revolution.

So is every single person you quoted on your signature :p

Anyways - I don't see the Republic of Ireland as being any better or worse than the United Kingdom - and socially it is actually more reactionary (though the north of Ireland is generally socially reactionary.)

[Vanguard1917]

I am a Monarchist (they have a right to exist) but I don't believe they should be funded by the taxpayer.

The relatively miniscule amount of money we individually give to fund the monarchy is the least of our problems. The monarchy should be abolished immediately because it's a disgrace to any notion of democracy.

[Queercommie Girl]

And exactly what benefit does having a monarchy give to the masses of people?

[Widerstand]

And exactly what benefit does having a monarchy give to the masses of people?

You don't have to make annoying, complex decisions about your own life all the time.

[danyboy27]

i meant beside his ''official'' political affiliation.

[Metacomet]

And exactly what benefit does having a monarchy give to the masses of people?


Material for mediocre big budget films?

[MarxSchmarx]

"A Cromwellian Parliamentarian", which about 350 years later doesn't quite have its rebellious ring:

Whatever your thoughts on capitalism, "Cromwellian Parliamentarians" are far to the right of even the most libertarian of capitalist thought. Frankly I thought there were about as many of them as there are Moghulists. You can call yourself as leftwing and "liberal" (which around here means bourgeois cappies) but anybody who identifies with a genocidal regime and a proto (not even a full blown) -bourgeois ideology is far, far, far from being a leftist in my book.

[Viet Minh]

"A Cromwellian Parliamentarian", which about 350 years later doesn't quite have its rebellious ring:

Whatever your thoughts on capitalism, "Cromwellian Parliamentarians" are far to the right of even the most libertarian of capitalist thought. Frankly I thought there were about as many of them as there are Moghulists. You can call yourself as leftwing and "liberal" (which around here means bourgeois cappies) but anybody who identifies with a genocidal regime and a proto (not even a full blown) -bourgeois ideology is far, far, far from being a leftist in my book.

I am trying to fit myself into a box here, but I don't label myself, I do not subscribe wholesale to any particular ideology, although most of my beliefs land me on the left side of the spectrum. To an extreme leftist I am probably considered Fascist, and likewise a Fascist would probably consider me a Communist, but the truth is I am in the centre. I believe in Democracy, in its purest sense.

As for my comment on the Monarchy, I am not a Monarchist. I don't believe a Monarchy should have any political power or social funding (other than private donation). I also don't believe there should be a Royal family or peerages, as that encourages classism. In fact I don't believe in power structures of any kind, be they Regal or Religious.

Secondly 'as a loyalist he should be restricted'.
Is this an Irish Republican forum or a leftist forum? Because the two are NOT mutually exclusive.

[Ned Kelly]

this joker has a churchill quote on his signature..

[Viet Minh]

this joker has a churchill quote on his signature..

Nice to meet you too! I assume the real problem here is my loyalist leaning. Well lets just discuss that here then, even though it may not be the most appropriate place.

Yes unfortunately a small number of 'loyalists' are fascist idiots, for instance several of the UDA who fraternised with C18, the terrorist wing of the nazionalist BNP. However the IRA fraternised with THE ACTUAL NAZIS, from the highest level, so its pointless engaging in that particular vein of mud-slinging. Besides the UDA are not inherantly a racist group, yes they are idiots and religious bigots but they have had Catholic members as well as black members, which the IRA have not. The UVF on the other hand are Marxist.

Yes some loyalists are monarchists, but equally many nationalists subscribe to the Vatican, so we can leave that hypocrisy aside also. Besides not so long ago the ancestors of the Republicans fought alongside the British King, against the 'Loyalist' rebels against the Crown! And recently Loyalists have been as much in conflict with the British Army and Police as the Republicans. Incidentally claims of collusion are equally applicable to Republicans, both with British Intelligence and Gardai.

In terms of Imperialism, my definition is using violence or terror to take a region or country by force, usually against the will of the majority of its citizens. Considering historically there has never been a United Ireland, that historically the Ulster people and Ulster Scots were seperate from the Republic of Ireland, that seems a reasonable description of the Republican movement.

Now as to the issue of Ireland versus Britain, it is pointless to portray one as the great evil of the World and not the other, as for the longest time the two were in cahoots. Nowadays however the Britain that the loyalists cling to is the Britain of the Commonwealth, and it is Britain which brings in 'all the immigrants' which is something the idiots that fly the red hand flag as though it were a swastika should stop and think about. Actually some might argue the Ulster Scots are themselves immigrants, which puts the phrase 'brits out now' in a whole new light.

There is a general movement to portray loyalists as nazis, firstly it justifies killing them (if it were true) and secondly it elicits a huge amount of support. Unfortunately it also creates a great deal of support for fascism; for example, celtic fans since the mark walters debut have tried their hardest not only to (admirably) rid their club of racism and fascism, but also have slandered their rivals rangers at every opportunity, calling them fascists, nazis etc, and certain elements of the media are complicit in this. This does wonders for republican propaganda, but it also actually becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Now Fascists flock to rangers, and vice versa rangers fans believe they should be fascist. So although you have created a marvellous recruiting ground for communist ideology at Celtic, you have also (perhaps unwittingly, perhaps not) created a hotbed of fascism at ibrox. Or so you claim, in my experience some rangers fans are right wing, some left wing, and the same goes for celtic.

Everyone seems to want me b&, and if thats the consensus as a firm believer in Democracy I will happily comply, to be honest I'm none too comfortable in the presence of people who would demonise me on a daily basis anyway.

On the subject of a 32 county Socialist Utopia, all I will say is make a 26 county Socialist Utopia first, start being nice to the Ulster Scots (unless you just plan to forcibly repatriate them or 'do a holocaust') and we will consider joining the Republic of Ireland.

Peace out

[Queercommie Girl]

"A Cromwellian Parliamentarian", which about 350 years later doesn't quite have its rebellious ring:

Whatever your thoughts on capitalism, "Cromwellian Parliamentarians" are far to the right of even the most libertarian of capitalist thought. Frankly I thought there were about as many of them as there are Moghulists. You can call yourself as leftwing and "liberal" (which around here means bourgeois cappies) but anybody who identifies with a genocidal regime and a proto (not even a full blown) -bourgeois ideology is far, far, far from being a leftist in my book.

He would have been genuinely progressive 350 years ago, but he is 350 years too late!

Did he just walk out of a Time Machine or something? :lol:

[PhoenixAsh]

So...basically you are an anarchist?? 0_o

[Widerstand]

So...basically you are an anarchist?? 0_o

Anarcho-Monarchism sounds intriguing. :laugh:

[Futility Personified]

Welcome! I don't post much here, but I do like to read and learn on this forum. I get the vibe that politically you aren't yet completely made-up yet, so I recommend looking into some of the theory and learning stuff as well, as well as some of the tendancies of interesting posters to try and gain a good leftist perspective.

[Tifosi]

but there are left wing loyalists as well such as the PUP.


The UVF on the other hand are Marxist.

WTF:confused:

[khad]

I'm of the conclusion that this user is a crypto-fash troll.

[Imposter Marxist]

Restrict! Restrict! Restrict!

[PhoenixAsh]

Anarcho-Monarchism sounds intriguing. :laugh:

Yes... doesn't it though. :D

I really want to hear his theory about it.