Is the US running the revolution?

[punisa]

Speaker at RT says Mubarak has become a burden for the US and thus they organized young people to overthrow him:
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What are the chances that the US is behind this whole scheme? Someone already drew connections with similar revolutions in eastern Europe.
It is a fact that each time the popular uprising in E.Europe topples a regime the new one is very pro American, would you agree?

[vyborg]

O yes, after millions of egyptian people defied tanks on the streets the very clever americans discovered that Moubarak is a liability to them, how nice, how brilliant...

[#FF0000]

Yeah, no.

[Nolan]

He only became a liability when the revolt started.

The US is trying to hijack it via people like ElBaradei.

It's not about overthrowing the Egyptian government for the US. It's about overthrowing the popular power on the streets.

[Rakhmetov]

AmeriKKKa is trying to control the revolution in order to give it a rhetorical flourish of "change and reconciliation" but little substance. The Egyptians better open their fucking eyes!!!! :crying:

[Nolan]

AmeriKKKa

Grow up.

[punisa]

Guys.. I wanted someone to comment on the video I posted - please seek to 04:00 and give your analysis.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Did the U.S. orchestrate the unrest in Tunisia, as well? Were the people who self-immolated CIA operatives? :rolleyes:

There's an unfortunate tendency on the left to attribute U.S.-infiltration to every action anywhere. It's unsuprising, as the U.S. (as superpower) tries to play every world event so that it'll work out in their best interest...in this case, it would've looked at the massive unrest in Egypt and thought, "What will be the best outcome for the United States?" It's clear that they've come to the conclusion that Mubarak remaining in power has become untenable, and that the military taking over would be the best option (although I doubt they orchestrated this). The important thing to remember is that the U.S. isn't some kind of omnipotent force that's immune from errors in judgement...just look at their support of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, and what that eventually turned into, or even their early support of Khomeini in Iran against the Shah. It's unfortunate that a kind of fatalism pervades over any event that U.S. involvement is perceived to have tainted.

[jinx92]

I've been thinking about this. Personally, I don't think the US caused the unrest, but I think they'll try to take advantage of it as much as possible to have more power over Egypt.

[gorillafuck]

No, that's ridiculous.

[Tablo]

Russia Today isn't the most reliable news source...

[Mather]

What are the chances that the US is behind this whole scheme?

None.

There is no clear interest from the point of view of the US ruling class to cause this level of social unrest and now two popular uprisings in the Middle East. US imperialism has one objective in the Middle East and that is "stability", often at very high costs. The reasons for this are simple, given the ample oil and gas reserves in the Middle East and it's vital and strategic location between Europe, Africa and Asia.

Given that the stability the US has worked hard to impose on the Middle East is now in doubt by the current wave of social unrest and popular uprisings, it makes little sense to then say that US imperialism has a hand in this.


Someone already drew connections with similar revolutions in eastern Europe.

If your talking about the so-called colour 'revolutions' of Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan, then that person does not know what he is talking about.

The colour 'revolutions' were very different in many respects to the popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt. The colour 'revolutions' were much smaller in terms of numbers out on the streets and did not command anywhere near the levels of popular support and participation that we have seen in Egypt and Tunisia. Especially in Tunisia, with the participation of organised workers and trade unions, we have seen working class participation in these popular uprisings. In Egypt there has been some level of working class participation and when workers started striking a few days ago, we saw the popular uprising in Egypt gain momentum. This is tied to the basic demands and issues that sparked the wave of social unrest and popular uprisings in the Middle East, namely demands around the price of basic foodstuffs, high unemployment and a lack of jobs, corruption and poor living conditions. These are the issues that drive most of the protests we are now seeing in the Middle East, though that is not to deny that there are other issues such as civil liberties, democracy, repeal of emergency laws and human rights. Economic demands and class based issues were entirely absent from the colour 'revolutions', which were all staged after a disputed election took place and led usually by some faction of the opposition , thus making them more of a coup d'etat than a popular uprising. When you take into account the class composition, the basic demands and issues, the nature of the unrest, the involvement of the working class and the reactions of numerous imperialist powers, it is clear that the colour 'revolutions' are very different to the popular uprisings in the Middle East.



It is a fact that each time the popular uprising in E.Europe topples a regime the new one is very pro American, would you agree?


Yes, but that fact is not relevant to the situation in the Middle East.

[Mather]

Russia Today isn't the most reliable news source...

At times, RT does promote the conspiracy theory angle, they did this with 9/11.

That and the fact that RT is the mouthpiece of the Russian ruling class, so like any bourgeois news outlet, they have a bias.

[Rocky Rococo]

When you take into account the class composition, the basic demands and issues, the nature of the unrest, the involvement of the working class and the reactions of numerous imperialist powers, it is clear that the colour 'revolutions' are very different to the popular uprisings in the Middle East.

OTOH, they appear to have a great deal in common with the events in Iceland two years ago.

[Nolan]

Russia Today isn't the most reliable news source...

I prefer Al Jazeera, but Russia Today seems to run stories on things the western media wont touch. Besides that, it's obvious propaganda like FOX, yeah.

[MarxistMan]

Professor Webster Tarpley says that CIA is behind the coup de etat against Mubarak in this video:

HDqtASXM8iA


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Speaker at RT says Mubarak has become a burden for the US and thus they organized young people to overthrow him:
qYro4_cnVf4


What are the chances that the US is behind this whole scheme? Someone already drew connections with similar revolutions in eastern Europe.
It is a fact that each time the popular uprising in E.Europe topples a regime the new one is very pro American, would you agree?

[t.shonku]

Why the hell would USA want more chaos in Arabia when it already has so much to worry about, USA would always want a puppet dictator in Arabia not a populist government

[MarxistMan]

hello, you actually mean chaos in Egypt not in Arabia.



Why the hell would USA want more chaos in Arabia when it already has so much to worry about, USA would always want a puppet dictator in Arabia not a populist government

[Tablo]

I prefer Al Jazeera, but Russia Today seems to run stories on things the western media wont touch. Besides that, it's obvious propaganda like FOX, yeah.
Yeah, I'm an Al Jazeera person too. I watch RT as well, but mainly because they have some interesting stories and interviews.

[punisa]

Did the U.S. orchestrate the unrest in Tunisia, as well? Were the people who self-immolated CIA operatives? :rolleyes:

There's an unfortunate tendency on the left to attribute U.S.-infiltration to every action anywhere. It's unsuprising, as the U.S. (as superpower) tries to play every world event so that it'll work out in their best interest...in this case, it would've looked at the massive unrest in Egypt and thought, "What will be the best outcome for the United States?" It's clear that they've come to the conclusion that Mubarak remaining in power has become untenable, and that the military taking over would be the best option (although I doubt they orchestrated this). The important thing to remember is that the U.S. isn't some kind of omnipotent force that's immune from errors in judgement...just look at their support of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, and what that eventually turned into, or even their early support of Khomeini in Iran against the Shah. It's unfortunate that a kind of fatalism pervades over any event that U.S. involvement is perceived to have tainted.

I wasn't actually claiming anything, but only wanted people to comment on the posted video - which seems to be some sort of the problem :rolleyes:

I have no intention to say that the US is running the show in Egypt, BUT I'm 100% sure that now - once the revolution is concluded - they will use every step imaginable to guide Egypt towards a state where they can once again control its domestic and foreign policies.
To claim otherwise would be dead naive.

[punisa]

Professor Webster Tarpley says that CIA is behind the coup de etat against Mubarak in this video:
HDqtASXM8iA


Hm... Alex Jones... Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not very sure we can trust this source.

[Mather]

Professor Webster Tarpley says that CIA is behind the coup de etat against Mubarak in this video:


What utter bullshit.

I would also like to point out that Tarpley is a member of the LaRouche movement and an avid conspiracy theorist, he is one of the nutters that claimed that 9/11 was a government job.

This is the point I made about RT earlier, they give nutters and fascists from the likes of the LaRouche movement and elsewhere a platform to spout their conspiracy theories.



Yeah, I'm an Al Jazeera person too. I watch RT as well, but mainly because they have some interesting stories and interviews.


Both channels can be informative yet I am fully aware that both channels represent the views of their ruling class.

Though Al Jazeera is better in that it does not seem to have as many conspiracy nuts on it as RT does.

[MarxistMan]

punisa: Damn man, you are right !! what an evil world we live in, i mean the right-wing in this world is just too strong, and workers by themselves don't have the military power to overthrow right-wing governments and capitalism in most nations. That's why I support the Chavizta Revolution and the Cuban revolution, because the working class need strong leaders like Chavez and Castro to give them support in the working class rising to ruling class.

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I wasn't actually claiming anything, but only wanted people to comment on the posted video - which seems to be some sort of the problem :rolleyes:

I have no intention to say that the US is running the show in Egypt, BUT I'm 100% sure that now - once the revolution is concluded - they will use every step imaginable to guide Egypt towards a state where they can once again control its domestic and foreign policies.
To claim otherwise would be dead naive.