Mubarak Addresses Egypt and Says:

[Bud Struggle]

http://www.freewebs.com/historytoprobberies/Mubarak_king.jpg

Fuck You!

http://www.politicsdaily.com/

[PhoenixAsh]

:laugh:

I just KNEW you were going to say that when I clicked the thread title :-)

[PhoenixAsh]

:laugh:

I just KNEW you were going to say that when I clicked the thread title :-)

[hatzel]

That's a wonderfully touched-up image...it almost looks as if he actually sits around wearing a crown all the time...

[hatzel]

(Also: Bud, your political insight is truly remarkable. I'm flabbergasted. And you know I've got to be pretty darn flabbergasted to use a word like 'flabbergasted' :cool:)

[danyboy27]

he should put on his best pair of running shoes and leave.

beccause soon its gonna be the wonderful constest of who gonna put this guy down and have a statue in the middle of tahirir square with his name on it.

[Fulanito de Tal]

:laugh:

I just KNEW you were going to say that when I clicked the thread title :-)

[Bud Struggle]

(Also: Bud, your political insight is truly remarkable. I'm flabbergasted. And you know I've got to be pretty darn flabbergasted to use a word like 'flabbergasted' :cool:)

What more is there to say? He's staying and the Eqyptians either have to stop having a protest and start having a Revolution--or go home. It appears he has consolidated his power with the army and outflanked the protesters.

The Egyptians will have to either give up or drag him out of the Presidental Palace kicking and screaming.

Personally I think he's won.

[L.A.P.]

Watch him run again for the next election too, despite saying he won't.

[Havet]

This guy keeps playing around with the situation and the people like hes playing a videogame

[hatzel]

What kind of crazy video game involves dealing with huge anti-governmental protests? :confused:

Actually, I loved Tropico, all world leaders should play that before being let loose on the real world :rolleyes:

[Bud Struggle]

There is a real fine line between having balls of steel and not having a freaking clue. Mubarak certainly seems to be comming down on the latter side of that equasion.

[RGacky3]

He has a clue, he's just betting what your betting, that he can hold this out, that the military will side with him and the protests will die down. But he has'nt won yet, the protests are growing, workers are striking, and guess what else, it looks like Obama might side against Mubarak (It would be better for Obama if Mubarak stepped aside and let the US put in some other US subservient leader).

I say storm the palace, I'm still saying Mubarak is done.

[hatzel]

Didn't you hear, Bud, it's nothing to do with him! He said it himself, 'these protests are not about Hosni Mubarak', so it's a fact! I don't know why everybody else is pretending it's something to do with him, just because they saw a few hundred thousand people with 'Mubarak out!' signs...

[Bud Struggle]

He has a clue, he's just betting what your betting, that he can hold this out, that the military will side with him and the protests will die down. But he has'nt won yet, the protests are growing, workers are striking, and guess what else, it looks like Obama might side against Mubarak (It would be better for Obama if Mubarak stepped aside and let the US put in some other US subservient leader).

I say storm the palace, I'm still saying Mubarak is done.



Well Obama should do what he is being paid to do--look after the welfare of the American people. He's not being paid to worry about Egypt so if it means sending in some Delta Force to take out Mubarak and give democracy a "helping hand" maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing.

That won't happen (it used to happen in the past) because of the media attention.


Didn't you hear, Bud, it's nothing to do with him! He said it himself, 'these protests are not about Hosni Mubarak', so it's a fact! I don't know why everybody else is pretending it's something to do with him, just because they saw a few hundred thousand people with 'Mubarak out!' signs... Well for the million people in the streets--there are 79 million at home. I think Mubarak is hoping his "moral majority" will pull him through. Wen those 79 million get fed up with no food in the stores and no transportation Mubarak is hoping for a backlash.

It might work. I wouldn't want to to sit across the table from the guy in a poker game. This guy is a player.

[RGacky3]

Well Obama should do what he is being paid to do--look after the welfare of the American people.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:, common bud, your killing me.


He's not being paid to worry about Egypt so if it means sending in some Delta Force to take out Mubarak and give democracy a "helping hand" maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing.


Absolutely, so cut the damn funding.


That won't happen (it used to happen in the past) because of the media attention.

it never happened in the past to HELP democracy, don't be neive.

[Bud Struggle]

it never happened in the past to HELP democracy, don't be neive. I was kidding a bit :)

[RGacky3]

ic, my bad.

[Bud Struggle]

ic, my bad.

My fault I should have been more clear. Even I know the US doesn't invade countries to "free them."

[RGacky3]

Well for the million people in the streets--there are 79 million at home. I think Mubarak is hoping his "moral majority" will pull him through. Wen those 79 million get fed up with no food in the stores and no transportation Mubarak is hoping for a backlash.


A million people is a HUUUGGGGEEE number. (a million in Cairo is 1 out of 7 of the population that is GIANT).

Also juts because you arn't in the streets does'nt mean you arn't in solidarity with the protesters, which most people are.

But his strategy, although its a good one, I doubt will work this time, the protesters will not give up, and if money gets permanently threatened, he's a gonner.

[RGacky3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/egypt-military-supports-mubarak_n_821765.html

Damn it.

[Bud Struggle]

It seems from the news that the army is standind behind Mubarak. The people support the army and the army supports Mubarak.

Classic pyramid scheme.

[RGacky3]

The people support the army and the army supports Mubarak.


Well it seams like the people are still out there protesting against Mubarak dispite the military, they might support the military as an institution but I don't think they'll support the militaries desicion.

[RGacky3]

One thing that people in the media are ignoring (unfortunately), are the neighborhod organizations poping up, i.e to protect the neighborhood, to distribute medical supplies and food, the wildcat strikes, these are the institutions that I support.

I presonally would rather not see a replacement regime, give the power to the people.

[Che a chara]

hasta la vista vermin :)

[Thug Lessons]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201121125158705862.html

What a beautiful day to be alive.

[Ele'ill]

I heard the military is starting to break off and support the demonstrators- fact? unnoteworthy?

[Che a chara]

"A news middle east is to be formed without the USA and Israel" - I just heard this being quoted when I turned over to press.tv, don't know who it's quoted from though .....

[Revolution starts with U]

Notice the military will not stop the protestors, and even have turned their guns away. They're really just trying to maintain stability.
Now's the time for the security council to declare Muburak's regime rogue and the military will be forced to dissolve it.
Of course, despite right libertarian fantasies about how capitalists feel, they (the capitalists) are not going to get rid of a pro-US dictator any time soon. If Muburak moves, the protestors might actually raise the minimum wage :crying:

[Che a chara]

"A news middle east is to be formed without the USA and Israel" - I just heard this being quoted when I turned over to press.tv, don't know who it's quoted from though .....

Apparently it's from a leading member of Hizb ut-Tahrir. very foolish stuff this man is saying....

[Thug Lessons]

Notice the military will not stop the protestors, and even have turned their guns away. They're really just trying to maintain stability.
Now's the time for the security council to declare Muburak's regime rogue and the military will be forced to dissolve it.
Of course, despite right libertarian fantasies about how capitalists feel, they (the capitalists) are not going to get rid of a pro-US dictator any time soon. If Muburak moves, the protestors might actually raise the minimum wage :crying:

Mubarak is gone, and with any luck his previously professed wish to die on Egyptian soil will soon be fulfilled. See the link I posted above.

[RGacky3]

Of course, despite right libertarian fantasies about how capitalists feel, they (the capitalists) are not going to get rid of a pro-US dictator any time soon. If Muburak moves, the protestors might actually raise the minimum wage :crying:

Right libertarians keep their mouths shut about this sort of thing, its nothing they are interested in, they arn't worried about actual liberty, Mubarak is'nt a problem for them, its juts those damn enviromental regulatoins and minimum wages THATs the real tyranny. Right Libertarians don't support any actual popular freedom movements.

But ehem.

Ladies and Gentlemen, They Got Him, he's down, he's gone, he's out :) (suck on THAT Comrademan :)).

Now then the steps to come are where the real fight is gonna be, Getting rid of Mubarak is just the begining, now comes the real battle of whats gonna fill the gap.

THe military is now formally in control, I expect some sort of electoral campain will follow, one thing I am really worried about is the military just taking control, and not lifting the "emergency rule" ... ever, what I'm also hoping is that the neighberhood institutions and the workers unions become the main power. THATS real democracy, not just voting for some Mubarak lite, or have some other pro-US puppet.

It looks like the unions are gaining ground though.

Hey Bud .... I thought Eygpt did'nt have workers? I thought everyone just sold trinkets?

[RGacky3]

Mubarak is gone, and with any luck his previously professed wish to die on Egyptian soil will soon be fulfilled. See the link I posted above.

You Maoists are right wingers at heart, really, why the hell do you want him to be killed? (Not that I would shed a tear), but who is that gonna benefit?

[#FF0000]

Dude's got 70 billion. Divide that by the population of Egypt and...

[#FF0000]

You Maoists are right wingers at heart, really, why the hell do you want him to be killed? (Not that I would shed a tear), but who is that gonna benefit?

I think it is preferable to him living comfortably as the richest man in the world after what he's done in 30 years in Egypt.

Redistribute his wealth and redistribute his blood imo

Well. Maybe not.

But I wouldn't care.

[Ele'ill]

All the wealth in the world is useless- the real exchange here involved people power. I hope this spreads and I hope the people of Egypt are not satisfied but hungrier.

[#FF0000]

From the sounds of it, folks are saying there's more to be done, so yeah.

[RGacky3]

If you kill him its not like the banks and financial institutions will just say "well Mubarak is dead, I guess the people get the money."

If they catch him, put him on trial, and from that take that money, I am all for that.

I hope the people of Eygpt keep this going and don't stop until they have proper democracy.

[Revolution starts with U]

And "off with their head, no trial" is not proper democracy

[Dean]

If you kill him its not like the banks and financial institutions will just say "well Mubarak is dead, I guess the people get the money."

If they catch him, put him on trial, and from that take that money, I am all for that.

I hope the people of Eygpt keep this going and don't stop until they have proper democracy.

Seems to me like financial institutions would be the primary benefactors if Mubarak's funds were seized...

[Che a chara]

Seems to me like financial institutions would be the primary benefactors if Mubarak's funds were seized...

well lets hope the Egyptian military seize the dosh so they can cut their aid and ties from the USA....

[Revolution starts with U]

I just wonder what Bud has to say about the latest developments. Seems there's nothing for him to say "nana nana boo boo" about, so he's keeping his head down....
:sneaky::lol:

[Bud Struggle]

I just wonder what Bud has to say about the latest developments. Seems there's nothing for him to say "nana nana boo boo" about, so he's keeping his head down....
:sneaky::lol:

I was fishing in the Gulf this AM.

Will you STOP making me out to be a Mubarak cheerleader. I'm glad he's gone. I WANT Egypt to be a free and independant country. I'm happy that the head to security (reminds me of Putin) is now leading the country. I'm thrilled the Egyptian military with vast and close ties to the US military is the REAL power broker here--not Mubarak or the Protesters. And when the truth comes out I bet you'll see America's fingerprints all over this outcome. Mubarak was getting to be a pain in the ass.


;) :D

[Revolution starts with U]

I was fishing in the Gulf this AM.

Will you STOP making me out to be a Mubarak cheerleader. I'm glad he's gone. I WANT Egypt to be a free and independant country. I'm happy that the head to security (reminds me of Putin) is now leading the country. I'm thrilled the Egyptian military with vast and close ties to the US military is the REAL power broker here--not Mubarak or the Protesters. And when the truth comes out I bet you'll see America's fingerprints all over this outcome. Mubarak was getting to be a pain in the ass.


;) :D

I never said you were a Muburak cheerleader. I said your primary purpose on this site is to go "nanana boo boo" to the left :cool:

[Bud Struggle]

I never said you were a Muburak cheerleader. I said your primary purpose on this site is to go "nanana boo boo" to the left :cool:

My mistake. :D

[bcbm]

I'm happy that the head to security (reminds me of Putin) is now leading the country.

what a horrible thing to be happy about

[Bud Struggle]

what a horrible thing to be happy about

I WAS JOKING.

I feel so misunderstood at times. :(

(But at least I'm not delusional! :D )

[Os Cangaceiros]

I was fishing in the Gulf this AM.

Will you STOP making me out to be a Mubarak cheerleader. I'm glad he's gone. I WANT Egypt to be a free and independant country. I'm happy that the head to security (reminds me of Putin) is now leading the country. I'm thrilled the Egyptian military with vast and close ties to the US military is the REAL power broker here--not Mubarak or the Protesters. And when the truth comes out I bet you'll see America's fingerprints all over this outcome. Mubarak was getting to be a pain in the ass.


;) :D

You'll have to forgive me for being skeptical of your "brilliant" analysis of the internal affairs of Egypt, re: your OP.

BTW, the "head of security" (I'm assuming you mean intelligence head Suleiman) is not leading the country...Mohammed Tantawi (commander-in-chief of Egypt's military) is. The military is a widely respected institution in Egypt, and Tantawi was greeted by cheers from the protestors before he made some remarks congratulating them. This is not a socialist/communist revolution in any way, but hopefully it'll result in something that's better for Egyptians than what they formerly had, and can provide a launching pad for a stronger left in the Middle East (as similar events of unrest transpire...I've heard that Algeria has a "day of rage" scheduled for tomorrow), so the struggle against state and capital can develop and widen.

Anyway, yeah...brilliant analysis, Bud. :sleep:

[Bud Struggle]

You'll have to forgive me for being skeptical of your "brilliant" analysis of the internal affairs of Egypt, re: your OP. The OP was for effect not for analysis.


BTW, the "head of security" (I'm assuming you mean intelligence head Suleiman) is not leading the country...Mohammed Tantawi (commander-in-chief of Egypt's military) is. Again apoint make for effect. (It was about the Putin joke.)



The military is a widely respected institution in Egypt, and Tantawi was greeted by cheers from the protestors before he made some remarks congratulating them. This is not a socialist/communist revolution in any way, but hopefully it'll result in something that's better for Egyptians than what they formerly had, and can provide a launching pad for a stronger left in the Middle East (as similar events of unrest transpire... Now I hope you are the one that is joking. The military is loved because they won some battles a long time ago. It's FLAG WAVING PATRIOTISM. The military has close very close ties both with the US military and with the US military Industrial Complex--that supplies the military with arms and a VERY good life style paid for by US dollars that the Egyptian Military doesn't want cut off.


I've heard that Algeria has a "day of rage" scheduled for tomorrow), so the struggle against state and capital can develop and widen. There's nothing Radical Left about ant of these protests. Nothing. .


Anyway, yeah...brilliant analysis, Bud. :sleep: Comrade you just watched a military coup in Egypt (most likely sponsored by the USA) and you think it's a Communist Revolution. :rolleyes:

You would have just LOVED Pinochet.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The OP was for effect not for analysis.

Again apoint make for effect. (It was about the Putin joke.)

Sure, Bud. :lol:


Now I hope you are the one that is joking. The military is loved because they won some battles a long time ago. It's FLAG WAVING PATRIOTISM.

Well, that and the fact that Egypt's military is plucked for a large part from the lower classes, the same lower classes that couldn't be relied upon to turn Tahrir Square into another Tiananmen (although that's not to say that Egypt's military is some wonderful institution, as is clearly evident by allegations of torture by mil-pol).


The military has close very close ties both with the US military and with the US military Industrial Complex--that supplies the military with arms and a VERY good life style paid for by US dollars that the Egyptian Military doesn't want cut off.

How much aid was funneled into the Shah's Iran (and the Iranian armed forces & SAVAK) prior to 1979? :lol:


There's nothing Radical Left about ant of these protests. Nothing.

You must have a problem with reading comprehension, because I specifically said that.


This is not a socialist/communist revolution in any way


Comrade you just watched a military coup in Egypt (most likely sponsored by the USA) and you think it's a Communist Revolution. :rolleyes:

You would have just LOVED Pinochet.

LOL. Did I refer to this as the glorious capital-R "REVOLUTION"? Nah. I view this as the result of a legitimate groundswell of unrest spurred on by rampant poverty, unemployment and desperation, the same forces that swept from Tunisia to Yemen. Hopefully it results in a more positive state of politics and a more open democratic sphere for Egyptians...liberal democracy is far, FAR from what I want to see, and needs to be fought against, but it's better than a USA client dictatorship in the form of Mubarak's regime.

BTW, you obviously are unfamiliar with some of the left's favorite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara) Bonapartists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chavez).

[bcbm]

There's nothing Radical Left about ant of these protests.

primary demand of protesters has been economic conditions, massive worker strikes supporting the protests... actually i'll agree nothing has been implicitly left but i would also argue nothing has been implicitly right and what egypt could represent is something beyond this ideological spectrum that has plagued the world for centuries and at least a glimpse of a movement for a human struggle, beyond ideology.

but i'm just depressed and high and drunk all the time so who knows

[gorillafuck]

beyond ideology.It would match up with an ideology no matter what. Obviously it's not going to be a system that is neither capitalist nor socialist nor primitivist nor pre-capitalist...

[Thug Lessons]

You Maoists are right wingers at heart, really, why the hell do you want him to be killed? (Not that I would shed a tear), but who is that gonna benefit?

It benefits justice. The fascists and the tyrants are the scourge of the earth. They are the prophets of deceit, the evangelists of war, the high priests of oppression and torture. They are traitors to their nation, their people and the human race. If it were up to me, they'd all be strung up like Mussolini.

[bcbm]

It would match up with an ideology no matter what. Obviously it's not going to be a system that is neither capitalist nor socialist nor primitivist nor pre-capitalist...

ideologies try to pigeonhold shit tho maybe struggle can advance and expand beyond "well marxism says" "well anarchism says" "well fascism says" and just be like "well what does humanity need what will benefit ourselves and our species" and then we can all do it together without forming 800 cliques

[RGacky3]

Seems to me like financial institutions would be the primary benefactors if Mubarak's funds were seized...


Well, depends who they are seized by.


Comrade you just watched a military coup in Egypt (most likely sponsored by the USA) and you think it's a Communist Revolution. :rolleyes:

You would have just LOVED Pinochet.

Don't be stupid Bud.


There's nothing Radical Left about ant of these protests. Nothing. .

Well, lets see, pro-democracy, anti-market reforms, anti-big buisiness, anti-autocrat, anti-American. Seams if nothing else slightly left.


(But at least I'm not delusional! :D )

Yes you are Team America.


I said your primary purpose on this site is to go "nanana boo boo" to the left :cool:

And Bud, why would we expect anything different from you, except for just trying to troll around being a douch.


It benefits justice. The fascists and the tyrants are the scourge of the earth. They are the prophets of deceit, the evangelists of war, the high priests of oppression and torture. They are traitors to their nation, their people and the human race. If it were up to me, they'd all be strung up like Mussolini.

You sound like a preacher.

[Thug Lessons]

You sound like a preacher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK2T2aPooy4

[Revolution starts with U]

Ya, as far as I can find (nobody is talking about the demands of the protestors for some reason, just that they want Muburak gone) they seem to largely be politically like american Democrats.

.... I could respect Democrats more if they acted like that...

[RGacky3]

Ya, as far as I can find (nobody is talking about the demands of the protestors for some reason, just that they want Muburak gone) they seem to largely be politically like american Democrats.

.... I could respect Democrats more if they acted like that...


Yup, its a typical democratic party strategy, use populist sentiment to gain power, then just ignore it. (as opposed to the right which basically just uses fear).

We don't know as of now, whats going on internally, whether their demands are being listened too, but we know the mainstream media does'nt care about their demands.