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Nuvem
9th February 2011, 17:16
Yesterday I received my copy of the Socialist for 2011. I was happy to get it, as it's only the second I have gotten thus far, and the previous one from November was almost entirely an electoral affair, and thus I was hardly interested. I was optimistic, since this issue is entitled "Socialism for the 21st Century"- it sounds like an interesting issue....then I opened it up, and immediately I was discouraged.

It begins by mentioning President Hugo Chavez' announcement of creating a "Socialism for the 21st century", and in the first paragraph expands to proclaim that Socialists need to assess the past, take what is positive, and leave behind what is negative. So far, so good. Then the second paragraph begins, and in one short paragraph makes me question my very membership in the party. I quote with notations of my own,


At the start of the new century, democratic socialists had good reason to be optimistic. Most of the failed socialist experiments of the 20th century had been swept away by a combination of their own undemocratic inefficiencies, pressure from the capitalist world and internal democracy movements (Suggesting that capitalism is in any way democratic?). Plus, a new anti-globalization movement was brimming with possibilities for future transformations beyond capitalism (Originally a conservative movement, unless he is referring to the EZLN and other southern resistance groups.). These two optimistic trends would not last long- swept away by the 9/11 induced terror state and the continuing penetration of neoliberalism into the everyday lays of billions across the globe.

Only two trends are here presented, one of which being a growing resistance to neoliberalism, and the first being the dissolution of the former Communist world, of the USSR and the Bloc (China and southeast Asian nations having already abandoned a Socialist path).
Before I continue, I would like to state that I do not wish to debate the merit or value of the fall of the USSR and the Bloc. I support both as degenerated worker's states against Imperialism, and will until the day I die. You will not convince me otherwise on the internet.

That being said, I must ask other SPUSA members if this is the general sentiment within the party. In various pamphlets and statements, I detected a certain degree of condemnation of the former Communist world, but I had concluded that to a certain degree it was for PR and to another it was because, frankly, the former Communist world was severely flawed and there are many elements best re-imagined. However, this piece was written by the editor of the paper and co-chair of the party, Billy Wharton- an important man and one of the primary leaders of the party. I won't hit you all with too much of a wall of text by quoting more of the paper's content, but the sentiments above are not de-contextualized and continue in a more or less pervasive fashion for the remainder of the issue, which speaks of "grassroots" approach to Socialism (I don't know what's much more grassroots than massive popular revolution sweeping across Russia, China, Cuba, etc.) and carries a very Council Communist kind of tone. Immediately after this condemnation of the former Communist world, we are treated to...more electoral politics!


One great example of how this new socialism built for the 21st century could be spread from a mass platform came recently in Ohio. Here, veteran labor activist Dan LeBotz took up the call to be the Socialist Party USA candidate for Senate, in a state that hadn't seen a socialist on the ballot in decades.

Socialism, in the 21st century, will be spread via electoral politics! What a novel dose of bourgeois social-democracy! I suppose this will naturally be followed by a shocking outcome, an unexpected victory, mass resistance to capitalism in Ohio, perhaps formations of councils of workers, farmers, soldiers and students?


On Election Day, 26,450 people voted for socialism and laid the basis for future electoral challenges organized around the ideas of grassroots democracy, worker's power and political and social freedom. Socialism, at least for a brief moment in Ohio, was back on the political map.

Capital! In a state of 11.5 million and an average voter turnout of 4.5 million, Podunk Ohio voted for candidate Dan LeBotz, who lost the election to the usual Bourgeois suspects, and the struggle was over. Is this to be the basis for the SPUSA's connection to the struggle? Failed political skirmishes against the monopoly on the national Legislature held by the two primary Bourgeois parties? A few independents have leaked in, including one social democrat, Bernie Sanders, who ran independent of any party-and he is utterly ineffective, voting with the Democratic Party in the vast majority of decisions.

What good will one or two more social democrats in the Senate or House do? No less than a full majority coupled with a socialist president could yield any tangible legislative results, and if this became the case the Bourgeois parties would immediately call out the National Guard and perhaps even the Army proper to overthrow the social democratic Legislature and progressive president; more likely still that the culprits would be assassinated long before they could even take their seats, if the Bourgeoisie in America truly detected a threat to their interests. If it sounds absurd to you, you need look no further than Allende's Chile for answers. The revolution will not be brought about by ballots!

Ranting against Mr. Wharton's article aside, I will finally pose my question to SPUSA members: is Mr. Wharton's position the prevailing party line? While I am fully aware that the SPUSA is a multi-tendency organization, I would prefer to be active in a party the majority of which I can find consensus with so that there is not a conflict of interests. If the majority of the SPUSA is social democratic, Council Communist or State Capitalist Theorist, then I thoroughly do not belong with the party, and should resign my membership immediately and find myself in new company.

graymouser
9th February 2011, 20:22
I'm not a current SPUSA member, but a former one.

On the issue of workers' states, you should read the SPUSA Statement of Principles carefully. The SP has always been opposed to Communism, although some on the left wing of that party probably disagree with that line. This is actually related to the line about "democratic revolutions" that the left-wing has tried to use to make the party more "revolutionary" than it actually is. When it was written, the "democratic revolutions" its authors hoped for were more likely to be ones in the USSR and China than in the US and Western Europe. Using this social-democratic verbiage against its authors is one of those examples of someone being "hoist by their own petard."

On the whole question of elections, there's nothing wrong with losing an election if you use it as an organizational and agitational platform. In this sense the Dan La Botz campaign is a sharp improvement on a lot of SPUSA campaigns, which tend to be half-hearted vanity campaigns (viz. the 2004 Walt Brown campaign when I was in the party). Abstention from elections is always a signal of weakness.

Ironically, Wharton is an ex-Trot, he used to be in Socialist Alternative. It's quite evident that it didn't quite "take" and his move to the SP was a move to the right.

Kassad
9th February 2011, 21:09
I'm definitely not well-informed enough to provide an elaborate response, but I've heard that Whorton's rise in popularity has been problematic due to the fact that he is definitely not a Marxist and is hardly more than a social-democrat. However, I didn't know he had roots in Socialist Alternative, but that's not really surprising to me. I don't agree with the apparent majority in Socialist Party USA that most definitely takes an anti-communist line, but I do applaud the real activists in the party who realize Marxism is relevant and that a revolution is necessary.

chegitz guevara
9th February 2011, 23:51
Chairman Bill's views probably express the vast majority of members in the Party, e.g., mushy liberals who think they are socialists because they think we should have paid vacations and we need single payer health care. :rolleyes: The vast majority of members of the SPUSA, however, are paper members.

Of the active members of the Party, most of them are revolutionaries of some kind or another. The revolutionary wing of the Party was so successful in past years, that almost no one wants to be called a social democrat or a reformist anymore. Even if they are little more than militant liberals, they get upset when you refer to them as either.

Unfortunately, at the last convention, the rev wing of the Party was under represented due to the economic crisis, while the convention was held in the across the river from NYC, which is the cancerous heart of social democracy in the Party. One quarter of the delegates to the convention were from NYC, and they were able to squeak out a victory.

In actuality, the centrists won the majority, and they are more interested in unity than anything else, and so are more attracted to the nice social democrats than they are to the angry revolutionaries. They won't even uphold their own resolutions when the right-wing refuses to follow them, to say nothing of enforcing the Constitution and the Statement of Principles. This last year has been utterly demoralizing to me.

The paper is run by Wharton, and since his victory to male co-chair, he has purged the paper of all opinions but his own. He regularly issues statements which make me want to puke.

Unfortunately, the revolutionaries (myself included) have handled the situation very badly, and have alienated a lot of people. We formed a tendency, Revolutionary Unity (http://revunity.wordpress.com/), to fight for revolutionary socialism, but instead of trying to make the positive case for revolutionary socialism, it became factional. Granted, one would hope that continually pointing out the undemocratic acts of the male co-chair shouldn't have been perceived as factional.

I'm gonna stick it out until the convention. If we don't win the Party back (since it won't be in their backyard, they won't be able to dominate it as easily) then I'm out.

Kassad
9th February 2011, 23:59
I'm gonna stick it out until the convention. If we don't win the Party back (since it won't be in their backyard, they won't be able to dominate it as easily) then I'm out.

Are we finally going to get Chegitz in the PSL? :lol:

chegitz guevara
10th February 2011, 00:04
One of your comrades from down here told me that where ever he goes, people ask him about me.

Kalifornia
10th February 2011, 00:08
One of your comrades from down here told me that where ever he goes, people ask him about me.

He wanted to make you feel good, in truth no one knows who the fuck you are, and quite frankly dont wanna:crying:

:lol:Just kiddingxx

Die Neue Zeit
10th February 2011, 05:17
Ouch, good luck with the SP-USA organizing.

Q
10th February 2011, 08:49
Unfortunately, the revolutionaries (myself included) have handled the situation very badly, and have alienated a lot of people. We formed a tendency, Revolutionary Unity (http://revunity.wordpress.com/), to fight for revolutionary socialism, but instead of trying to make the positive case for revolutionary socialism, it became factional. Granted, one would hope that continually pointing out the undemocratic acts of the male co-chair shouldn't have been perceived as factional.
The blog hasn't been updated since late November. Has RUG died?

chegitz guevara
10th February 2011, 16:46
No, we just need to figure some things out and how to move forward.

chegitz guevara
13th February 2011, 04:34
In a related topic, I need several hundred American revolutionaries for a project. Don't care if you call yourself anarchist, socialist, or communist.

The Douche
13th February 2011, 04:35
In a related topic, I need several hundred American revolutionaries for a project. Don't care if you call yourself anarchist, socialist, or communist.

Here, have some of this kool aid.:blink:


Seriously though, a little vague?

Red Commissar
13th February 2011, 04:49
Here, have some of this kool aid.:blink:


Seriously though, a little vague?

Haven't you been watching Glenn Beck? We're about to destroy the world right now. The time is now.

Kassad
13th February 2011, 05:05
In a related topic, I need several hundred American revolutionaries for a project. Don't care if you call yourself anarchist, socialist, or communist.

Keep me posted.

redasheville
13th February 2011, 16:27
I don't usually advocate for splits, but I think in this case it would be a principled split to break from the SPUSA. Revolutionaries should spend the vast majority of their time and energy organizing, and not debating reformists.

RedScare
13th February 2011, 17:07
In a related topic, I need several hundred American revolutionaries for a project. Don't care if you call yourself anarchist, socialist, or communist.
Keep us posted, as Kassad said.