Prop 19 california

[Black Sheep]

Proposition 19, also known as the Regulate, Control & Tax Cannabis Act, was a ballot initiative on the November 2, 2010 California statewide ballot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_state_elections,_November_2010). It was ultimately defeated, with 53.8% of California voters voting "No", and 46.2% voting "Yes"
from wikipedia

I just heard of this.
What are your thoughts on this?

[Political_Chucky]

My thoughts? My thought is that Drug-Free America needs to go to fucking hell, that it should have been passed effortlessly, but no real campaign for it was put out, and that 53.8% of people need to smoke a joint and stfu.

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[Fulanito de Tal]

I have heard that many smokers voted no because that would ruin the quality and raise the prices of weed. Getting a weed card is easy and since it is considered medical, it is tax free. So, approval of prop 19 would raise it is price through taxation. Also, since it is made for medical practice, the quality is regulated. However, if it becomes legal for everyone, its quality regulation would decrease which would lead to lower quality.

[Rusty Shackleford]

itll pass next time around.

i dont really care about it anymore though.

people will smoke weed by legal and illegal means :lol:

[Political_Chucky]

I have heard that many smokers voted no because that would ruin the quality and raise the prices of weed. Getting a weed card is easy and since it is considered medical, it is tax free. So, approval of prop 19 would raise it is price through taxation. Also, since it is made for medical practice, the quality is regulated. However, if it becomes legal for everyone, its quality regulation would decrease which would lead to lower quality.

Actually there were two separate laws, one for legalization of marijuana for personal use and the other to raise taxes on medical marijuana.

Well taxes were raised on medical marijuana(that is an utter lie that marijuana isn't taxed because it is medical), but that obviously doesn't help anyone when it isn't used widely and for personal recreation, which wasn't passed.

Also the argument that it will lower quality is bogus also. When weed is purchased from dealers who usually don't grow it themselves, and don't know whether the Marijuana is laced, you do not know what your getting. Marijuana is a science all in its own and its very hard to grow sativa marijuana compared to Indica because of how much attention needs to be put on the plants. Amsterdam, for example, has great quality Marijuana and you know exactly what your getting. None of this ammonia, or other lethal additives being put in your bud to make it better from shady ass dealers. Its the same arguement you can make for ecstasy or any other drug. Street drugs will always be less in quality then drugs that are out of the black market.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/StockInvestingTrading/a-budget-cure-marijuana-taxes.aspx
Exhibit A

$18 million in sales taxes a year from $200 million worth of medical-marijuana purchases,http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_16606152
Exhibit B


OAKLAND -- Californians may have rejected legalizing recreational marijuana, but voters across the state are more than ready to reap revenue from the state's largest cash crop.
On Election Day, all 10 cities with local measures on their ballots approved new or higher taxes on marijuana sales that put the need for cash above the stigma of a federally banned drug.

[Fulanito de Tal]

Also the argument that it will lower quality is bogus also. When weed is purchased from dealers who usually don't grow it themselves, and don't know whether the Marijuana is laced, you do not know what your getting. Marijuana is a science all in its own and its very hard to grow sativa marijuana compared to Indica because of how much attention needs to be put on the plants. Amsterdam, for example, has great quality Marijuana and you know exactly what your getting. None of this ammonia, or other lethal additives being put in your bud to make it better from shady ass dealers. Its the same arguement you can make for ecstasy or any other drug. Street drugs will always be less in quality then drugs that are out of the black market.

You make a valid point, but I was referring to the quality of the medical marijuana.

[Political_Chucky]

You make a valid point, but I was referring to the quality of the medical marijuana.

MMM well I doubt there would be much need for the term "medical" Marijuana in regards if it was legalized. I'm sure people would feel much more comfortable growing it themselves anyways if this was the case(unless they are hindered by parents or just too damn lazy like myself haha)

My bad if I sounded like an asshole...The whole topic of Marijuana Legalization ironically pisses me off.

[StalinFanboy]

I'm mixed.

There are people out there that depend on selling weed on the side to get by (I may or not have friends like this), and I think that had this bill been passed, it would have been harder for them to do that.

On the other hand, legalizing it would mean that I wouldn't have to worry about drug charges having weed, and a whole shit ton of people would be out of prison.

[Political_Chucky]

I'm mixed.

There are people out there that depend on selling weed on the side to get by (I may or not have friends like this), and I think that had this bill been passed, it would have been harder for them to do that.

On the other hand, legalizing it would mean that I wouldn't have to worry about drug charges having weed, and a whole shit ton of people would be out of prison.

Well, you have to figure this in account also with dealers. When the Marijuana is actually smoked by the consumer, its on average transferred between the original grower(which in this case I'm speaking of Mexican growers), down to another buyer, to another, til it gets to the bottom of the chain and last dealer 5 times! The original cost of what it would have been is logically increased by 5, maybe more(an ounce of Marijuana in New York for Example is much more then Marijuana in California). The fact that your friends are relying on the sales of Marijuana funds Drug cartels in Mexico that kill thousands of people, increase the price of the cash crop, put innocent people away for a felony charge minimum of 6 years, and in general just ruin people's lives. The positives of legalization far out weights the negatives(which may be pretty much nothing).

In my opinion, this whole shit is a conspiracy. I posted some data in another thread which explains a lot and if I didn't source something you'd like me to source, lemme know.

Main funders of Drug-Free America 1988-91
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partner...g-Free_America (http://www.anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnership_for_a_Drug-Free_America)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/pdfa1.htm (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/pdfa1.htm)


Pharmaceutical Firms
J. Seward Johnson, Sr. Charitable Trusts --- $1.1 million
Du Pont --- 125,000
Proctor and Gamble Fund --- 120,000
Bristol-Myers Squibb Foundation --- 115,000
Johnson & Johnson --- 100,000
Merck Foundation --- 85,000
Hoffman-LaRoche --- 75,000
Tobacco and Liquor Firms
Phillip Morris --- 125,000
Anheuser-Busch --- 100,000
RJ Reynolds --- 100,000
American Brands --- 100,000
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html)
Why is medical marijuana a schedule 1 drug when it has been proven to have medical value?

http://latindispatch.com/2011/01/13/...icos-drug-war/ (http://www.anonym.to/?http://latindispatch.com/2011/01/13/2010-brings-record-violence-in-mexicos-drug-war/)


The year 2010 brought the most drug-related deaths in Mexico since President Felipe Calderón launched his offensive against the country’s cartels in 2006
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hF9Ggxzz6YUJ:www.eastbayexpress.com/LegalizationNation/archives/2010/09/13/booze-lobby-funding-the-no-on-19-campaign+drug+free+america+funders+2010&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
Booze Lobby Funding the No on 19 Campaign


The California Beer & Beverage Distributors disclosed (http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1326337&session=2009&view=late1) it donated $10,000 to defeat Prop 19 — which would regulate and tax marijuana like alcohol. The alcohol lobbyist (http://www.cbbd.com/legislative_day.html)'s funds will help spread the lie that employers must tolerate stoned employees, and the talking point that 'California doesn't need another legal, mind-altering substance.' Alcohol causes an estimated $38 billion in costs in California each year from emergency room visits, arrests, etc, according to the Marin Institute. There are roughly 3,500 deaths annually from alcohol-related illness and more than 109,000 alcohol-related injuries in California. Conversely, pot caused 181 emergency room visits in 2008, according to a study by the non-partisan RAND Corporation, despite being used by more than four million Californians monthly.

[Delenda Carthago]

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[Rakhmetov]

from wikipedia

I just heard of this.
What are your thoughts on this?

Old news, man.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/dr-chomsky-marijuana-t114557/index.html?t=114557&highlight=noam+chomsky+marijuana


http://www.revleft.com/vb/marijuana-cant-taxed-t115868/index.html?t=115868&highlight=marijuana+can%27t+taxed

[Proukunin]

it should've been made legal. It would make sure you get Quality product and also would be cheap.