Is the fifth international necessary to destroy the capitalist system worldwide?

[MarxistMan]

Hello all, i would like to know what do you people think about the creation of The Fifth International?

Here is an article I got from Wikipedia about President Hugo Chavez calling for the creation of The Fifth International


Calls for a Fifth International
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_International
In November 1938, just two months after the founding congress of the Fourth International, seven members of the POUM (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/POUM) on trial in Barcelona (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Barcelona) declared their support for a "fighting Fifth International".[1] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-0) The Argentine Trotskyist Liborio Justo (http://www.revleft.com/w/index.php?title=Liborio_Justo&action=edit&redlink=1), better known as "Quebracho", called for a Fifth International when he broke from Trotsykism in 1941.[2] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-1) Another call for a Fifth International was made by Lyndon LaRouche (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche) after leaving the Spartacist League (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/International_Communist_League_(Fourth_Internation alist)) in 1965.[3] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-2) Later, a 'Fifth International of Communists' was founded in 1994 by several very small former Trotskyist groups around the Movement for a Socialist Future (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Movement_for_a_Socialist_Future).

League for the Fifth International
In 2003, the League for a Revolutionary Communist International called for the formation of the Fifth International "as soon as possible - not in the distant future but in the months and years ahead".[4] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-3) The LRCI changed its name at this time to League for the Fifth International. They became the League for the Fifth International (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/League_for_the_Fifth_International) (L5I), which has since grown significantly and as of 2010 has sections in Austria, Britain, Czech Republic, Germany, Pakistan, Sweden, Sri Lanka (the Socialist Party of Sri Lanka (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_Sri_Lanka)) and the United States. The League for the Fifth International campaigns in the European Social Forum (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/European_Social_Forum) and the international labour movement (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Labour_movement) for the formation of a new International. A split from them before they were known as the L5I, the Communist Workers' Group (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Communist_Workers%27_Group_(New_Zealand)) in New Zealand, also argues for a Fifth International.


Venezuela
Hugo Chávez (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez) announced in 2007 that he would seek to create a new international, which because of the size of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/United_Socialist_Party_of_Venezuela) could become an actual fifth international: "2008 could be a good time to convoke a meeting of left parties in Latin America to organise a new international, an organisation of parties and movements of the left in Latin America and the Caribbean".[5] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-4)[6] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-5) On November 21, 2009, in Caracas, Venezuela, during the First International Encounter of Left-wing Parties, Chavez called for the convoking of the Fifth Socialist International in April 2010 in Venezuela.[7] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-6)

It was reported that the Bolivian Movement for Socialism (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Movement_for_Socialism_(Bolivia)), International Marxist Tendency (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/International_Marxist_Tendency), the Salvadoran FMLN (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/FMLN), the Nicaraguan FSLN (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/FSLN), the Ecuadorian PAIS Alliance (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/PAIS_Alliance), the Chilean Proposal for an Alternative Society (http://www.revleft.com/w/index.php?title=Proposal_for_an_Alternative_Societ y&action=edit&redlink=1), the Guatemalan New Nation Alliance (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/New_Nation_Alliance), and the Australian Socialist Alliance (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Socialist_Alliance_(Australia)) are likely to join the new International. Representatives of the Portuguese Left Bloc (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Left_Bloc), the German Left Party (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Left_Party_(Germany)), and the French Left Party (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Left_Party_(France)) expressed interest but said they would need to consult. The Communist Party of Cuba (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Cuba) seemed to favour the proposal, but many other Communist Parties were strongly opposed.[8] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-7) The League for the Fifth International critically supports the proposal.[9] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-8) As of April 2010, the declaration awaits Chávez's signature.[10] (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#cite_note-9)


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[Q]

Suffice to say that Chavez's call to hold a convention in early 2010 was postponed "to September" because of the Venezuelan political cycle (elections and stuff). Ever since it became very silent on this issue.

But yes, we obviously need an international organisation of the working class movement, to tackle global capitalism and put forward a global alternative. The question remains whether Chavez can actually produce such a proletarian unity from his presidential palace in Caracas.

[Die Neue Zeit]

The question remains whether Chavez can actually produce such a proletarian unity from his presidential palace in Caracas.

You meant he stopped camping out in the tent given to him by Gaddafi? :lol:

[Bright Banana Beard]

No international have managed to destroy capitalism.

[Widerstand]

But yes, we obviously need an international organisation of the working class movement, to tackle global capitalism and put forward a global alternative.

First we need a working class movement.

[Fietsketting]

I am still happy with the First so no thanks :lol:

[Crux]

No international have managed to destroy capitalism.
Next you'll tell me we are not living in a socialist society at present? What is your point, captain obvious? After all the russian revolution was, not only by virtue of Russia being a "prison of nations", international in character. The revolutionary marxist tradition has always been internationalist, from the early steps of the Communist League (of "Communist Manifesto" fame) and forward.

[Crux]

First we need a working class movement.
The working class, and the system that we are up against are both international in character.

[Widerstand]

The working class, and the system that we are up against are both international in character.

What's your point, exactly? You can't have an international organisation composed of a few ideologues and even fewer small uprisings. I mean you can, but it won't change anything.

[RED DAVE]

The question remains whether Chavez can actually produce such a proletarian unity from his presidential palace in Caracas.I think that the answer to that is obvious.

RED DAVE