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Political_Chucky
7th February 2011, 09:16
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/healthussciencebrain


WASHINGTON (AFP) – Human brains have shrunk over the past 30,000 years, puzzling scientists who argue it is not a sign we are growing dumber but that evolution is making the key motor leaner and more efficient.
The average size of modern humans -- Homo sapiens -- has decreased about 10 percent during that period -- from 1,500 to 1,359 cubic centimeters, the size of a tennis ball.
Women's brains, which are smaller on average than those of men, have experienced an equivalent drop in size.
These measurements were taken using skulls found in Europe, the Middle East and Asia.
"I'd called that a major downsizing in an evolutionary eye blink," John Hawks of the University of Michigan told Discover magazine.
But other anthropologists note that brain shrinkage is not very surprising since the stronger and larger we are, the more gray matter we need to control this larger mass.
The Neanderthal, a cousin of the modern human who disappeared about 30 millennia ago for still unknown reasons, was far more massive and had a larger brain.
The cro-magnons (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/healthussciencebrain#) who left cave paintings of large animals in the monumental Lascaux cave over 17,000 years ago were the Homo sapiens with the biggest brain. They were also stronger than their modern descendants.
Psychology professor David Geary of the University of Missouri said these traits were necessary to survive in a hostile environment.
He has studied the evolution of skull sizes 1.9 million to 10,000 years old as our ancestors and cousins lived in an increasingly complex social environment.
Geary and his colleagues used population density as a measure of social complexity, with the hypothesis that the more humans are living closer together, the greater the exchanges between group, the division of labor and the rich and varied interactions between people.
They found that Brain size (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/healthussciencebrain#)decreased as population density increased.
"As complex societies emerged, the brain became smaller because people did not have to be as smart to stay alive," Geary told AFP.
But the downsizing does not mean modern humans are dumber than their ancestors -- rather, they simply developed different, more sophisticated forms of intelligence, said Brian Hare, an assistant professor of anthropology at Duke University.
He noted that the same phenomenon can be observed in domestic animals compared to their wild counterparts.
So while huskies may have smaller brains than wolves, they are smarter and more sophisticated because they can understand human communicative gestures, behaving similarly to human children.
"Even though the chimps have a larger brain (than the bonobo, the closest extant relative to humans), and even though a wolf has a much larger brain than dogs, dogs are far more sophisticated, intelligent and flexible, so intelligence is not very well linked to brain size," Hare explained.
He said humans have characteristics from both the bonobo and chimpanzee, which is more aggressive and domineering.
"The chimpanzees are violent because they want power, they try to have control and power over others while bonobos are using violence to prevent one for dominating them," Hare continued.
"Humans are both chimps and bobos in their nature and the question is how can we release more bonobo and less chimp.
"I hope bonobos win... it will be better for everyone," he added.

ZeroNowhere
7th February 2011, 09:27
So the relation between females and males is the same as that between neanderthals and modern humans? That is illuminating.

Political_Chucky
7th February 2011, 10:06
So the relation between females and males is the same as that between neanderthals and modern humans? That is illuminating.

Well, the way I would see it as the article is explaining is that females have smaller brains probably because since the stronger and larger a man is, the more gray matter they need to operate functions, where as an average woman will probably not be as strong or as large as the average man, making it useless for this "gray matter" to be produced thus shrinking or making the brain work more efficiently.

I think people have the misconception though that the larger the brain, the smarter you are. That is utterly false.

Across The Street
7th February 2011, 10:15
To everyone who has posted here, STFU.
To the OP, this article is fundamentally, categorically incorrect.
We are not related to monkeys, get used to it.

kitsune
7th February 2011, 10:22
This is interesting. I hadn't thought of it before, but it makes sense. In order for an organism to increase intelligence, greater brain mass would have to develop, but then an increase in efficiency would allow that mass to shrink. A more sophisticated brain wouldn't have to be as large.

TC
7th February 2011, 14:18
To everyone who has posted here, STFU.
To the OP, this article is fundamentally, categorically incorrect.
We are not related to monkeys, get used to it.

...

1. Great apes aren't monkeys

2. I assume you aren't a creationist and when you wrote "related to" you meant to write "descended from" - since of course we are closely related to other apes - merely we share a common ancestor rather than being descended from them...yet I agree that evolutionary psychology explanations are unhelpful since psychology is complex and socially contingent.

3. Or, alternatively...we aren't related to monkeys because god made us in his image approximately 8000 years ago :o.

Meridian
7th February 2011, 14:23
To everyone who has posted here, STFU.
To the OP, this article is fundamentally, categorically incorrect.
We are not related to monkeys, get used to it.
In general I think it's a good idea to have some content in your post other than "everybody shut the fuck up, what I say is true, whatever you think is wrong".

piet11111
7th February 2011, 14:27
So kind of like how the next series of CPU's are made to a smaller scale while still becoming more powerful and using less energy.

Psy
7th February 2011, 15:33
So kind of like how the next series of CPU's are made to a smaller scale while still becoming more powerful and using less energy.
CPUs reduce in scale because of smaller component sizes. For this to translate into brains as it would mean neurons would have to get smaller so more can be packed into the same space.

ÑóẊîöʼn
7th February 2011, 20:21
I wonder if it's possible to find out if our brains have gotten more wrinkly? My understanding of the human brain is that surface area is just as important as volume.

Political_Chucky
7th February 2011, 21:30
To everyone who has posted here, STFU.
To the OP, this article is fundamentally, categorically incorrect.
We are not related to monkeys, get used to it.

We aren't related to monkeys, but you are. You damn, dirty, ape!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dulbbeGZ6gw/SCR6cCCU1iI/AAAAAAAAAYs/nti5uLIM60w/s320/DamnDirtyApe2008002.jpg

The Vegan Marxist
7th February 2011, 22:47
To everyone who has posted here, STFU.
To the OP, this article is fundamentally, categorically incorrect.
We are not related to monkeys, get used to it.

Yeah, because everything we see around us was created by an invisible man in the sky. :rolleyes:

Op0kJ0N0p0M

Hexen
8th February 2011, 09:00
Well, the way I would see it as the article is explaining is that females have smaller brains probably because since the stronger and larger a man is, the more gray matter they need to operate functions, where as an average woman will probably not be as strong or as large as the average man, making it useless for this "gray matter" to be produced thus shrinking or making the brain work more efficiently.

Although I have to say that "females have more white matter and males have more grey matter" is just if not a sexist generalization although it's understandable even if it's true then it still has to do with society has done as a result just like Chinese foot binding has disfigured women's foots, corsets crushed women's torsos, etc.

Psy
8th February 2011, 16:48
Yeah, because everything we see around us was created by an invisible man in the sky. :rolleyes:

Op0kJ0N0p0M
Of course not, it was all created by a invisible spaghetti monster, everything it did wrong was because it was a spaghetti monster it didn't know better :cool:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage.jpg

ÑóẊîöʼn
8th February 2011, 17:08
By the way, we are related to monkeys. In fact pretty much all life on Earth is related to each other. We're all one big happy family. But yeah, apes reside on a closer branch to us than monkeys. So close that we might as well consider ourselves a species of ape.