Sarah Palin was the most socialist candidate.

[RGacky3]

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This is an old interview, but I bet this guy is never coming back on Fox News ever again, he made a great defense of socialism and unionism, and his past point, that Sarah Palin was the most socialist candidate in the last election left Beck pissing himself.

Fun for all.

[DuracellBunny97]

everyone should be aware of what socialism means? perhaps Beck should practice what he preaches

[Bud Struggle]

everyone should be aware of what socialism means? perhaps Beck should practice what he preaches

There are numerous definitions of Socialism. There of course is the text book one--but there is also the populist definition that people use in common parlence.

[RGacky3]

There are numerous definitions of Socialism. There of course is the text book one--but there is also the populist definition that people use in common parlence.


Which is?

[PoliticalNightmare]

There are numerous definitions of Socialism. There of course is the text book one--but there is also the populist definition that people use in common parlence.

Yeah the "populist definition" of state control that is so handy to right wing "libertarians" like Glenn Beck.

The chap did a good job defending socialism, I thought.

[RGacky3]

Bud, you have no idea what the populist definition of socialism, you dont' have a damn clue.

[PigmerikanMao]

Interesting debate, but the point on Sarah Palin's economic policy was more of just a footnote. In any case, I don't think that makes her the "most socialist candidate," as you're suggesting- just not the objectivist free market capitalist christian the right wants to paint her out to be.

[Widerstand]

I always knew that a politician so witty and good looking had to be on our side :blushing:

[RGacky3]

Interesting debate, but the point on Sarah Palin's economic policy was more of just a footnote. In any case, I don't think that makes her the "most socialist candidate," as you're suggesting- just not the objectivist free market capitalist christian the right wants to paint her out to be.


It was'nt a real point, it was just to point out what a joke Glenn Becks world view was (that Obama is a tyrannical communist and Palin a freedom lover), and just something to make Glenn Becks viewers drop their Cheese Poofs.

[#FF0000]

Bud, you have no idea what the populist definition of socialism, you dont' have a damn clue.

Yeah he does and he's totally right in the point he's making. Jesus.

[RGacky3]

Yeah he does and he's totally right in the point he's making. Jesus.

Then what is it?

[Pretty Flaco]

I always knew that a politician so witty and good looking had to be on our side :blushing:

That's actually what all of us Americans look like in person.

[#FF0000]

Then what is it?

State-Control, fullstop.

[RGacky3]

State-Control, fullstop.

Is it now .... Again, so 30%+ of AMericans support State control .... By definition?

[Widerstand]

That's actually what all of us Americans look like in person.

All Americans look like Sarah Palin?

[#FF0000]

Is it now .... Again, so 30%+ of AMericans support State control .... By definition?

Yeah. Social-Democracy. Yes.

[PigmerikanMao]

It was'nt a real point, it was just to point out what a joke Glenn Becks world view was (that Obama is a tyrannical communist and Palin a freedom lover), and just something to make Glenn Becks viewers drop their Cheese Poofs.

Well if that's your main point then you're just preaching to the choir here. Neither of them are communist, or in the least definition of the term socialist, most of us here can agree with that certainly.


All Americans look like Sarah Palin?

Yes, more or less... our librarians and school teachers under the age of 40 anyways.

[Bud Struggle]

State-Control, fullstop.

That's pretty much the case. The Populist pundits like Glen beck, Limbaugh and the rest have cut down the political spectrum so that there is little difference between a (taditional) Liberal and an all out Socialist.

That's why Obama can be a "Socialist". His "take over" healthcare is in their defiinition "Socialism." I'm not saying that this definition flies anywhere else in the world but the USA, but here there isis really is nothing to the Left of taditional Liberalism. So Social Democracy, not Socialist tendancies. The Unions are solidly in the pocket of the Democratic Party--and maybe on the more conservative end of that. So the political spectrum gets cut and pasted.

And it's not in the interest of Beck and Limbaugh who no doubt understand what they are doing to explain the matter correctly. What they've done is co-opt the meaning and now use it as a wipping boy. There is no effective counterbalance from the Left in American media. There are Liberals who sometimes deny they are Socialists--but they don't have any interest in spreading the exact meanings of these terms around.

The Radical Left has no voice so they have no say in the Populist definition of terms.

[gorillafuck]

Then what is it?
social democracy is a definition of socialism that's used by populists.

[Revolution starts with U]

So Social Democracy, not Socialist tendancies. The Unions are solidly in the pocket of the Democratic Party--and maybe on the more conservative end of that. So the political spectrum gets cut and pasted.

And it's not in the interest of Beck and Limbaugh who no doubt understand what they are doing to explain the matter correctly. What they've done is co-opt the meaning and now use it as a wipping boy. There is no effective counterbalance from the Left in American media. There are Liberals who sometimes deny they are Socialists--but they don't have any interest in spreading the exact meanings of these terms around.

The Radical Left has no voice so they have no say in the Populist definition of terms.



And that has nothing to do with the monied interests... right?
It's all the lefts laziness? All those people you see (and probly make fun of) when you see protests/rallys on the news, they're just lazy leftists?

Ho hum, american dream, i am rich and so can you....
Nothing new from Bud today, I see.

[Bud Struggle]

And that has nothing to do with the monied interests... right?
It's all the lefts laziness? All those people you see (and probly make fun of) when you see protests/rallys on the news, they're just lazy leftists?

Ho hum, american dream, i am rich and so can you....
Nothing new from Bud today, I see. We'll every attempt at Liberal radio so far has not been a success. Air America wen't bankrupt waiting for the public to tune in. People don't seem to want to support it. MSNBC which has a much more liberal bent than FoxNews gets slaughtered in the rating by Fox.

People don't tune in. RU does a pretty good job of criticizing America so does Al Jezeera, but they don't have that many American viewers compared to Fox.

The Conservatives have a more marketable product. Listen: I'm no Beck fan, I think he's a menace--but he plays to what Americans want to listen to and I have to give him credit for doing that.

Limbaugh and O'Reilly and Beck are entertaining.

[Revolution starts with U]

You are correct that the left libs (Democrats) are grade-a wafflers. Everybody's afraid to tell the other side people when they are wrong.

But Bud, you do know that the one who raised the most money most likely wins the election, correct? You don't think said "waffling" has anything to do with that?

[Revolution starts with U]

The question is, to WHOM are they marketing?

[Palingenisis]

The Conservatives have a more marketable product. Listen: I'm no Beck fan, I think he's a menace--but he plays to what Americans want to listen to and I have to give him credit for doing that.



Is Bud a secret agent of "Maoism"-Third Worldism? :laugh:

[psgchisolm]

I love the smug look on Beck's face when he brought up Sarah palin. I also loved how that smug look was wiped off after the guy brought up how she "redisributed the wealth" just like Chavez does. Lastly I loved the abrupt ending where he came back with a smartass remark like a little kid that just got told off.

[Bud Struggle]

Is Bud a secret agent of "Maoism"-Third Worldism? :laugh:

I'm not sure about Maoism, but you might very well add Third Worldism to the list of mortal sins that I commit. :)

[RGacky3]

That's why Obama can be a "Socialist". His "take over" healthcare is in their defiinition "Socialism."
What takeover????


social democracy is a definition of socialism that's used by populists.

Which is does not equal state control.


Listen: I'm no Beck fan, I think he's a menace--but he plays to what Americans want to listen to and I have to give him credit for doing that.


Not much anymore.

[RGacky3]

I also loved how that smug look was wiped off after the guy brought up how she "redisributed the wealth" just like Chavez does. Lastly I loved the abrupt ending where he came back with a smartass remark like a little kid that just got told off.

Glenn Beck got spanked.

[Leninade]

What takeover????

He's... regulating it! Oh, the horror, old people might get healthcare even if they have a preexisting condition! Only an evil socialist would interfere with the profits of a private freedom-loving HMO.

This seems to be what the Republicans sincerely believe. Given the boiling rage produced by some relatively simple and seemingly universally agreeable actions one can only conclude that full-blown single payer healthcare would have caused them to overheat and spontaneously combust.

... which is another reason why I feel we should have gone single-payer. :D

[RGacky3]

He's... regulating it! Oh, the horror, old people might get healthcare even if they have a preexisting condition! Only an evil socialist would interfere with the profits of a private freedom-loving HMO.


It did'nt change any of the power structures at all. So under any definition, it was'nt socialist.

[Leninade]

It did'nt change any of the power structures at all. So under any definition, it was'nt socialist.

It had a few incremental gains for the individual but you're right. It wasn't very socialist at all.

There are some smart people who sincerely believe in the neocon agenda, but there are no educated people who do. They hate and fear education and educated people because if everyone knew what socialism was then more people might support it. No, really. You cannot fully understand what you're up against while simultaneously maintaining faith in the human spirit.