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Unclebananahead
5th February 2011, 03:58
After an extended encounter with a right libertarian in the comments section of a friend's post on Facebook, I concluded that right libertarianism is a dangerous red herring for the proletariat -- an ideological dead end. So last night I took some time away from playing Jenga to author this piece, which will be the script for the next Comrade Banana Head video. Any and all constructive criticism will be much appreciated.




Right Libertarianism: A Red Herring


By Comrade Banana Head

Here in the United States, and presumably elsewhere, there is the phenomenon of pro-free market, right-wing libertarianism. It’s an economic philosophy, as well as a political party. Perhaps you’ve encountered the American Libertarian Party (a party which uses a big government statue as its symbol) and their “World’s smallest political quiz” (AKA the Nolan test) -- a propaganda device designed to make you feel like a rugged, macho, individualist if you answer the questions contained therein ‘correctly.' Maybe you have some familiarity with former presidential hopeful Ron Paul, maverick Texas politician whose supporters had some measure of presence on You Tube in the 2004 and 2008 presidential elections. Mayhaps you’ve had the misfortune of being exposed to the ironically named 'objectivists,’ followers of the pseudo-philosophical fiction writer Ayn Rand. Then there’s the 'radical fringe’ of the right libertarian ideology, the anarcho-capitalists, who strangely believe that capitalism can exist just fine with no state whatsoever. In any case, all serve the function of being a 'red herring’ -- an ideological dead end for the working class.

Unlike more garden-variety class enemies of the proletariat, the right-wing libertarian concedes the problematic and abominable nature of the system of corporate rule, and its 'socialism for the wealthy’ (e.g. bail-outs and corporate subsidies) and calls for its removal and replacement by something else. The ‘something else’ they want to replace it with, is a variety of ‘pure capitalism’ untainted by government intervention into the affairs of the market. They want a completely privatized society, with some sort of minimal state (or absolutely none whatsoever in the case of the anarcho-capitalists) to ensure the ‘negative rights’ of its citizenry (a right *from* something, rather than a right *to* something) of life, freedom and property. Right libertarians desire that all goods and services are provided privately via the market, which may or may not include police protection, or fire protection, depending upon the flavor of libertarianism we’re discussing. Generally, all argue for the radical minimalization, or sometimes abolishment of taxes as a form of theft.

The biggest problem at the very outset, were we to take the right libertarians at their word, is that no such social order exists currently, or has ever existed. Of the roughly 195 nations on planet earth, not one of them conforms to the idealistic vision of society as laid out by the right libertarians (with the possible exception of Somalia, which I’ve read corresponds to anarcho-capitalist ideas). Some of them will suggest that the sort of social order which existed in the US somewhere in the neighborhood of 125 to 150 years ago was something akin to a libertarian society (they generally mark it somewhere prior to the institution of the income tax). This can seem true at first to the uninformed, because no one from that period is still around to remember it. It’s true that the federal government was less involved, and didn’t have quite as ‘heavy a hand’ as it did in the 20th century, and does today. But this power vacuum wasn’t exactly empty. Instead, it was filled by local and state governments. And there were plenty of taxes, most of which were various property taxes or ‘head taxes.’ It must also be taken into account that this period in US history was prior to the industrial revolution coming to this country, and it was at that time an agricultural nation of farmers. The laws from that era would be an anachronism today. And let us not forget the American state’s role in the enforcement of the institution of slavery through the enforcement of the property rights of slave owners, as well as the liquidation of native peoples (I’m not really certain how libertarian those things are in the minds of the right libertarians, but I certainly wouldn’t hold those up as exemplars to be followed by anybody).

The right libertarians like to imagine their fantasy social order as being devoid of force and coercion. Their literature speaks at length about the state’s ‘initiation of force’ against property holders, and the American Libertarian Party’s membership form contains a pledge which reads: “I do not believe in, or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or social goals.” Unfortunately for them, property in the real world requires force to enforce it. As P.J. Proudhon succinctly put it, “property is theft.” Property, in the case of land ownership, is when a person claims a parcel of land for their own exclusive use. What could possibly justify exclusive use of what nature has bestowed upon us? Land existed before we came around, and it will continue to exist after we’re gone. It’s a mere social abstraction to seize, or by some other means acquire a parcel of land and declare, ‘this is mine exclusively, no one else can use it without my permission.’ Nature certainly doesn’t recognize our arbitrary land property boundaries, and neither do people generally, unless forced to do so by some coercive means (a state with armed enforcement agents, or sufficient force of arms by the ‘property owner’). People won’t pay rent, or allow themselves to be evicted from their homes off of ‘someone’s property’ without something coercing them to go along with that without them resisting it.

Karl Marx (whose wisdom and insights the Libertarians deny) teaches us that all states are instruments of coercion, serving the function of enforcing the rule of the dominant social class, which under capitalism is the bourgeoisie, the class which owns the means of production. What suggests that this would not be the case under a hypothetical libertarian, ‘pure free market social order’? Are we to believe they wouldn’t require a vast police force, army, judges, and prisons to enforce private property, as all capitalist states have in the present and past? How would a right libertarian society suppress or control the labor unions and strikes which would invariably manifest (as happened in the US during the second half of the 19th century)? What would be meaningfully different about a right libertarian society as to not require these things? And if a society contains these elements, can it truly be described with the term ‘libertarian’? This, to us Marxists, makes right libertarianism a glaringly self-contradictory idea. Were it to be actually realized in the realm of fact, rather than just in the realm of ideas, it would immediately create a set of conditions that would result in its negation. So not only has the sort of society advocated by right libertarians never existed, it cannot exist. This suggests that right libertarianism is not an ideology based in material reality, but only in the realm of ideas, making it an ‘idealist’ movement in the philosophical sense.

In conclusion, right libertarianism is a red herring. It’s an ideological dead end for the working class. Right libertarians are like snake oil peddlers, holding up a ‘truly free market’ as a cure-all tonic which will successfully address all of society’s ills. They exclaim, “just leave everything to the market. The market is wise. The market is efficient. The market is self-correcting. It’ll cure what ails you.” When you encounter them, remember to read between the lines of what they say, for the real gist of what they’re trying to sell you, and send them packing. The working class, in order to achieve a forward trajectory, needs to base itself upon a class analysis, not crackpot delusions from small bourgeois who resent not being able to take advantage of ‘socialism for the wealthy.’ This can only serve to distract us, and siphon off our righteous indignation at corporate rule into futile, safe, and even harmful endeavors which actually run counter to our interests. We need to focus our efforts into building class consciousness, and socialism, not waste our time on red-herrings.

Revolution starts with U
5th February 2011, 06:47
You probably didn't notice it, but I like how you put it. Right libertarians believe in you're right FROM life and liberty :thumbup1:

... that's how I read it anyway :rolleyes:

Savage
5th February 2011, 08:28
Luckily they really don't have much ground outside of America, at least they don't here in Australia.

NGNM85
5th February 2011, 08:36
You might also want to mention that 'Libertarian' historically meant anti-state socialist, and was self-applied by Anarchists, as well as some Marxist variants, beginning in the mid 1800s. In Europe, it is still usually used in this context. Then, In the mid-to-late 20th century lassez-faire right wing types started calling themselves Libertarians.

Unclebananahead
5th February 2011, 09:33
You might also want to mention that 'Libertarian' historically meant anti-state socialist, and was self-applied by Anarchists, as well as some Marxist variants, beginning in the mid 1800s. In Europe, it is still usually used in this context. Then, In the mid-to-late 20th century lassez-faire right wing types started calling themselves Libertarians.

While it's true that you're correct in that I didn't bring up the fact that libertarianism contains a leftist tendency, you'll notice that I was careful to specifically refer to them as 'right libertarians,' which at the very least implies that there are other sorts of libertarians other than just the pro-free market, rightist variety.

Unclebananahead
5th February 2011, 09:38
Luckily they really don't have much ground outside of America, at least they don't here in Australia.

Really? That's a pleasant surprise.:thumbup1:

ZeroNowhere
5th February 2011, 09:59
Right-libertarians are the least reactionary tendency on the capitalist system-building spectrum, and your argument seems to be essentially just dismissive without being at all persuasive. It's not relevant whether their form of government has existed before. That's certainly not the largest problem, the problem with all capitalist system-building being the same problems as always infect capitalism.

Otherwise, other than your quoting of Proudhon, an 'anarcho-capitalist' if there ever was one, being fairly ironic, your whole critique of their views on coercion is based on simply using the word differently. Their usage of the word disqualifies, say, murder laws from counting as coercive, while by your logic they would count as such. If you have a problem with their usage, then say so, but don't pretend to be talking about the same thing as them, because that will just make them see you as uninformed.

Right-libertarianism is not 'impossible'; according to you, its existence would lead to problems which would lead to its being altered, but this argument itself entails the possibility of its existence (a square circle cannot lead to everything turning brown). In fact, your identification of the 'contradiction' is not one, as right-libertarians have no problem with the enforcement of the 'right to property'.

Finally, you don't seem to know what 'idealism in the philosophical sense' entails, and 'we' do not need to focus our efforts on anything.

PoliticalNightmare
5th February 2011, 10:53
Its nice but it doesn't really provide an ideological attack on right-libertarianism, if you see what I mean. You deal with their use of language; the semantics of what constitutes concepts like force, coercion and liberty (in their case "freedom from" and not so much "freedom to") but you don't really deal with an attack on the system itself.

Moving away from semantics, its far more interesting to hear a logically consistent attack on the internal failures of the actual system: why their proposed free market structures don't necessarily make for the most efficient allocation of resources and distribution; why free market capitalism is unlikely to deal with the issues of a degenerating environment; the externalisation of costs and the subsequent distortion of the price mechanism; why competition isn't boosting real wages and pushing down living expenses and that sort of thing. People will be far more interested in hearing why you don't think the system will actually work; this will also have more relevance to them individually. Back up your arguments with statistics, if you can find them.

The truth is, they're not really concerned with petty semantics, they're concerned with what is most likely to improve their lifestyles and the lifestyles of people generally; if they think the free market will do this then they aren't really going to be that concerned with what, technically speaking, constitutes liberty. Also, saying that right-libertarianism won't work because it hasn't existed doesn't really do you much favours given that communism has never actually existed yet we are still striving for such a system.

Also, many on the libertarian-right will cite Icelandic Commonwealth as an example of a stateless capitalistic society that existed for centuries (although it was pre-industrialised and thereby pre-capitalistic in nature, at least by the reckoning of those on the left). They can also cite various examples of tax cuts being "successful", or, socially, they can point to the success of the liberalisation of drugs and prostitution laws in the Netherlands (socially, some goals of certain communists are very similar to right-libertarians; you should mention that as well if you are one of them).

Also, I would include that natural rights to property, if defended on the basis of labour ought really to include the producers themselves (since the means of production is produced, enhanced and maintained by their labour as well as the investment and general entrepeneurial skills provided by capitalists); you mentioned the fact that contracts defending private property are enforced by the state which is good and also important is the fact that the foundations for early capitalism or rather mercantilism were built upon massive state coercion (the plundering of gold and slaves from colonised nations, the expropriation of peasants and artisans from the means of life [the land], barriers to entry and predatory pricing [only enabled with the massive accumulation of capital that was achieved through state coercion] all paved the way to private property). The transformation of labour in to a commodity (labour-power) without this initial state coercion would have been unlikely; so the lib-right want to leave the basic structures of capitalism (wage labour, private property and market systems) in tact but to abolish the state coercion that restricts the system whilst simultaneously maintaining the state coercion that enforces private property (hence preventing the producers from claiming their natural right to the land and means of production).

Unclebananahead
5th February 2011, 10:57
ZeroNowhere, I can't say I entirely agree with your assessment. You may have a point about the definition of the term coercion. I was going from the standpoint of how frequently and vehemently the right libertarians condemn what they view as coercion, and I'm suggesting that the very notion of property central to their vision of society implies the existence of sufficient coercive force to 'enforce' the exclusive use of property by its owner or owners. And I'm going by the libertarian definition of coercion: "physical force or threat of such against persons or property" (wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism#Private_property). I'm also going by the conception of a right libertarian social order as a non-coercive one. Now, can you have a social order which is simultaneously coercive, and non-coercive? To my mind it's a contradiction.

Furthermore, though I won't claim to be any sort of expert on Proudhon, I do know enough about him to say that he wasn't an anarcho-capitalist, at least certainly not in the way that Murray Rothbard was.

Moreover your post was just criticism, without being all that constructive. I'm not feeling very 'helped' by what you wrote, though I can't say that I know whether or not that that was what you intended.

Unclebananahead
5th February 2011, 11:18
Political Nightmare, thank you. This is more of the sort of feedback I was looking for. Though I'm having a little difficulty with the notion of attacking the 'actual system' when no such system can really be found (pure capitalism, with everything being privatized).

You are correct that I didn't bring up externalities, and perhaps I'll re-work the piece to include a mention of this. The environment is probably the biggest externality that comes to my mind, and it might bring an additional persuasive element to it. I was also thinking of dissecting the libertarian conception of efficiency a bit, by asking the question of 'efficiency for whose interests?'

Also, I could have gone into greater detail on the period in US history which most corresponds to libertarian ideas, but I'm a little uncertain about where they place the boundaries chronologically. That is, when exactly do they think the US turned into an 'evil, statist, corporatist' place? In my opinion, the US during the last 35-40 years of the 19th century correspond, at least roughly to right libertarian ideas about how a society is best ran. I was thinking about including a paragraph regarding labor conditions during this period, but didn't for the above reason.

Unclebananahead
5th February 2011, 11:39
so the lib-right want to leave the basic structures of capitalism (wage labour, private property and market systems) in tact but to abolish the state coercion that restricts the system whilst simultaneously maintaining the state coercion that enforces private property (hence preventing the producers from claiming their natural right to the land and means of production).

This seems useful to me.

Savage
5th February 2011, 11:48
Also, I could have gone into greater detail on the period in US history which most corresponds to libertarian ideas, but I'm a little uncertain about where they place the boundaries chronologically. That is, when exactly do they think the US turned into an 'evil, statist, corporatist' place? In my opinion, the US during the last 35-40 years of the 19th century correspond, at least roughly to right libertarian ideas about how a society is best ran. I was thinking about including a paragraph regarding labor conditions during this period, but didn't for the above reason.
I would really like to hear more about the nature of the American economy at this time, though maybe it would be best given a video/essay of its own.

PoliticalNightmare
5th February 2011, 12:19
This seems useful to me.

Clearly an entire critique of right-libertarianism cannot be mastered on a forum post but on property, I thought of a few extra details which Proudhon elaborates upon in "Que-est-ce-que C'est La Propertie" (Zero: "Proudhon was an anarcho-capitalist" --> what?);

* Natural rights to property do not defend its existence since natural rights are universal and the large bulk of citizens own no capital.
* Private property as a product of labour does not defend its existence since the outcome of the labour of the bulk of people who own no significant capital is owned by the propertied classes.
* Given the fact that the propertied classes do not physically use the bulk of their property means that occupancy alone cannot defend the existence of property (you can't defend private property on the grounds of occupancy).

Unclebananahead
6th February 2011, 06:11
I just added this to my piece. Please give it a read and let me know what you think:


The crux of the ‘persuasive appeal’ used by the right libertarians to try to convince working people of the merit of their ideas, is the efficiency argument. It goes something like this, and I’m quoting from one of them now: “Anything the government gets into, it becomes inefficient, quality drops, and costs rise.” They argue that freer markets will result in more competition, and more efficiency, thus resulting in more goods and services at lower prices for everyone -- a rising standard of living across the board. But what sort of efficiency are we talking about here, and who are its chief beneficiaries?

As mentioned earlier, the period in US history that bears the greatest similarity (without being completely identical) to the sort of society libertarians advocate, is the 19th century. It was an era before the ‘evil statist’ income taxes, and way, way before the oppressively interventionistic OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration). During this time, the efforts of the American working class created massive wealth for the bourgeoisie, but labor conditions were grindingly nasty, rough, dangerous and unpleasant. 80 plus hour work weeks were commonplace, and pay was low. One industrialist was known to have stated, “Any man who pays more for labor than the lowest sum he can get it for is robbing his shareholders.” For some jobs, employers preferred to hire children, sometimes as young as four years of age. One example of this is children hired to work in coal mine shafts too small and narrow for adults. These children were typically subjected to the same sort of unpleasant and dangerous conditions as the adults were subjected to, and like adults, worked long hours, typically between ten and sixteen hours a day. Meanwhile, US industrialists accumulated massive fortunes from the sweat of the proletariat. Just to name a few, shipping and railroad man Cornelius Vanderbilt had a net worth of $143 billion in 2007 dollars, steel magnate Andrew Carnegie’s net worth was $298.3 billion in 2007 dollars, and last but definitely not least, oil man John D. Rockefeller is estimated to have been worth a whopping $663.4 billion in 2007 dollars. So I ask again, efficient for whom exactly?

Right Libertarians, as mentioned previously, like to prattle on about how competition creates efficiency and lowers prices in markets. But in what came to be known as the “gilded age” in the US, the American bourgeoisie organized trusts to combine companies, reduce competition, and increase profits, through such means as price fixing and customer and market allocation agreements. They sought to use the massive wealth and influence they had accumulated through the free market system to negate it, by creating monopolies. The mechanism which under capitalism is alleged by right libertarians to create a better, fairer society, is undermined when the opportunity presents itself by the very wealthy who they would like to be as unrestrained in their business practices as possible. How would right libertarians expect competition to survive in a truly free market, without *gasp* state intervention?

I was really trying to 'get down to brass tacks' for what matters to the working class with this part. :)

Savage
6th February 2011, 06:44
I've heard people talk about how the American government brutally repressed workers movements in the late 1800's, could you include that in the essay? Also wouldn't slavery be completely legal in a Free Market?

gestalt
6th February 2011, 17:25
Also wouldn't slavery be completely legal in a Free Market?

It would be de facto (wage) slavery.

Most propertarians (a more fitting moniker for these types) defend their positions through a priori arguments about self-ownership. E.g., all individuals own themselves, therefore all individuals own their actions, thus anything mixed with these actions (labor) is now a private resource. All but the most asinine quasi-feudalists among their ranks argue that it is impossible to separate the individual from their self-ownership and oppose all theoretical attempts for a person to sell themselves into slavery. Those few others are in favor of anything from debt bondage/indentured servitude to consensual enslavement.

What separates wage slavery from slavery in their minds is the existence of an almighty contractual agreement whereby the employee rents their labor.