hannity vs choudary interview

[ComradeAV]

for those who saw the hannity/choudary interview, what did you think of it? I dont agree with everything choudary says, but his comments about american imperialism and isreal I can very much agree with. Hannity was being his usual assholish self by not letting him answer the questions properly. For those who did not see the video , here it is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANG9s5EoAnQ

[apawllo]

only watched about 3 minutes of the clip. when he started to assert that egypt was fighting for supremacy of radical islam and in turn al qaeda, i turned it off. makes sense that foxnews would give a guy like this the spotlight during an uprising that's actually about self-determination.

[ComradeAV]

only watched about 3 minutes of the clip. when he started to assert that egypt was fighting for supremacy of radical islam and in turn al qaeda, i turned it off. makes sense that foxnews would give a guy like this the spotlight during an uprising that's actually about self-determination.

I agree with you on that. however, thats not what I was mainly focusing on. If you watch the whole video, they start to talk about american imperialism in the middle east , thats the part where I agree with him. But yes the first thing he said was bullshit.

[the last donut of the night]

this is precisely why i don't watch american news

[Dimentio]

This is just typical bourgeois media.

Take in some lunatic to misrepresent or hijack a cause.

[NGNM85]

This is another one of those cases where I'll be throwing my support behind; 'None of the above.' They are both vile.

[southernmissfan]

this is precisely why i don't watch american news

American news is so bad that it goes beyond just not being good; it's more than just not a good source. Watching it is actually worse than not watching the news at all. It provides an overall negative service. Virtually every single story covered is done in a way that is shallow, misleading and/or outright false. And that's assuming there is even an attempt at one would call legitimate news.

Take CNN Headline News for example. You would assume this would be a spin-off channel where they would continually play a 10 or 15 minute cycle of the day's main headlines. Meaning you could tune in at any point during the day and be "caught up" on the news within a few minutes. Your assumption would be wrong however. The channel's programming is almost entirely split between two types. The first type is celebrity "news" and gossip, in the vein of Entertainment Tonight and the E! Network. The second type ciminal/legal "scandal" type shows. On these shows, loud, obnoxious idiots Nancy Grace scream hyperbole about various criminal cases and investigations. It's a complete mockery of journalism. The favorite cases are usually missing/murdered rich white children/women and teacher "sex scandals" (you can never miss a chance to demonize public teachers in the media!). Beyond tirelessly repeating the lurid details of these various cases, Nancy Grace and the other hosts spend hours attacking and accusing the various suspects in these cases. The concept of "innocent until proven guilty" obviously does not apply to television. Despite the fact that often these suspects have yet to even be charged with a crime, Grace and the others essentially portray these suspects as evil incarnate and mindlessly attack their lawyers or whoever else may attempt to defend them on the air. The whole thing makes me wonder how many suspects in these high profile cases end up being cleared of all charges, if charged at all. You have to imagine their lives are pretty much ruined after being publicly humiliated on national television for months. If I was them, I would do everything in my power to sue for defamation of character, libel, or anything else I could get to stick.

Sorry for the off-topic rant.

[Kalifornia]

We have heard of black on black crime, we have heard of interchristian violence, now tune in to fox for Moron V Moron!:lol:

[KC]

LOL a radical Islamist caliphate. Wow.

The Muslim Brotherhood is not Al Qa'ida. Fox is caught up in their misrepresentation.

This isn't an Islamic revolution either.

[Rakhmetov]

I couldn't help but laughing when I wikied the guy with Hannity and found this:

Swilling beer, smoking dope and leering at porn, the other side of hate preacher 'Andy' Choudary


By Neil Sears (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Neil+Sears)

Last updated at 9:12 AM on 5th January 2010[/URL]


The British live 'like animals in a jungle' with their alcohol, gambling, prostitution and pornography.
That is the stated view of Anjem Choudary, the preacher of hate who this week insulted the families of dead soldiers and branded their marching comrades as cowards.
The extremist wants Britain to be brought under Sharia law, with women forced to wear burkas and put to death for adultery.
Yet before he grew his beard and turned to fundamentalism, Choudary, 41, was very much the life and soul of the party at Southampton University.

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Big night out: The university law student Anjem Choudary's reading list extended to this soft-porn title


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New identity: Choudary, centre, moved to radical Islam soon after qualifying as a solicitor

Photographs obtained by the Mail suggest 'Andy' - as he was then known - should be inflicting on himself the 40 lashes he prescribes for drunkenness.
As well as downing cider and lager, the cleric is shown playing drinking games with cards, clearly forbidden under his strict Islamic laws, and holding a cannabis joint between his lips before smoking it.
And the woman on the cover of the Mayfair pornographic magazine he is looking at is certainly not wearing a burka.
On the evidence of friends from his student days, Choudary had sex with numerous white Christian girls.
Under his version of Sharia law, he should be stoned to death for sex outside marriage.
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High time: Choudary with a beer and joint, and right, swigging a cider in one go

One former friend said: 'I can't keep a straight face when I see "fundamentalist Muslim Anjem Choudary" in the papers attacking the British for drinking or having girlfriends.

'When I knew him, he liked to be called Andy, would often smoke cannabis spliffs all day, and was proud of his ability to down a pint of cider in a couple of seconds.


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My son is proud to be British, claims father of Muslim protester who hurled abuse at homecoming troops (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161404/My-son-proud-British-claims-father-Muslim-protester-hurled-abuse-homecoming-troops.html)

'And he was ruthless with girls. When he briefly worked as an English teacher for foreign students in London, he'd pull one of them every few days, sleep with her, then move on to another.
'If Sharia law was introduced, he would have been whipped and stoned to death many times over.'

Choudary, who was born in South-East London to a market stall-holder of Pakistani descent, has become one of the faces of extremist Islam.
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But in his days as a law student, he experimented with LSD, hallucinating and laughing hysterically for more than 20 hours.
After he qualified as a solicitor, however, he swiftly moved into ever more radical Islam.
Former acquaintances said this was possibly because he was angered by his failure to land a well-paid job with a big City law firm.
At a mosque in Woolwich he met notorious firebrand preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed and quickly became his right-hand man.


He also mixed with hook-handed demagogue Abu Hamza, who once called for bomb attacks on British civilian aircraft at a meeting chaired by Choudary.

Choudary, meanwhile, is an ever-more prominent spokesman for radical Islam in Britain - despite the fact that the two groups he ran with Bakri, Al Muhajiroun and Al-Ghurabaa, have been banned.
So he was quick this week to support the radicals who protested against Royal Anglian Regiment soldiers marching in Luton on their return from Iraq.

Outrageously, he called them 'cowards who cannot fight, as their uncanny knack for death by friendly fire illustrates'.
Yesterday, the father-of-three, who lives in East London on benefits from the state he so condemns, returned to the attack.

When it was suggested he was the most reviled man in Britain, he said: 'That's a badge I would wear with pride.'

He added that 'through jihad' - which he insists would be jihad of the word, rather than the sword - he sought 'a pure Islamic state with Sharia law in Britain'.
'Every woman, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, would have to wear a traditional burka,' he said. 'Anyone who becomes intoxicated by alcohol would be given 40 lashes in public, and people who commit adultery would be stoned to death.'
When confronted about his dubious past, Choudary, who is separated from his wife, denied it.
Last night, Bakri, speaking from Lebanon where he fled to four years ago, said: 'I don't believe the rumours against my good friend Mr Choudary are really true.'
Supported by Choudary, the Muslim protesters who demonstrated against the Royal Anglian Regiment on Tuesday defiantly returned to the streets of Luton yesterday, handing out leaflets criticising the 'racist British public'.
Britain's former most senior Muslim police officer, Tarique Ghaffur, called for the demonstrators to be brought to justice.
Tariq Mahmood, of the Islamic Cultural Society, based at Luton's Central Mosque, said the protesters were notorious for causing trouble.
'This small group of people is not representative of the Muslim community,' he said.
Fanatic Ibrahim Moussawi was yesterday finally denied a visa to enter Britain.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith ruled the Hezbollah spokesman should not be allowed to travel here, despite at least two previous visits to the UK on her watch.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161909/Swilling-beer-smoking-dope-leering-porn-hate-preacher-Andy-Choudary.html

[Mather]

Hannity and Choudary are both bastards and I care for neither.

Though in Choudary's case, the man is a vile fascist and should be treated by all on the left as such.


for those who saw the hannity/choudary interview, what did you think of it?

Well since this is Anjem Choudary we are talking about, the purpose of Fox News in having him on was clear, to falsify the nature of the popular uprising in Egypt by having a clerical fascist trying (poorly) to portray the popular uprising as an Islamist one. I noticed that Hannity pinned the blame for Anwar Sadat's assassination on the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), when the MB never had anything to do with the 1981 assassination. The assassination was led by Khalid Islambouli, an Islamist salafist within the Egyptian Army who was a member of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad terrorist group, led by Ayman al-Zawahiri until it merged with Al-Qaeda in 2001. But this little fact would not sit well with the objective of this interview, which is part of Fox New's wider agenda in dealing with the popular uprising in Egypt and portraying it as an extremist, Islamist, pro-terrorist takeover. For all of Choudary's rants against Israel, the imperialist powers and the Egyptian ruling class, he is doing their PR job for them. Everytime he opens his mouth he makes it easier for Zionists, imperialists and the Mubarak regime to say that they are right and that this popular uprising is not about freedom, social justice, economic justice and popular sovereignty, but merely an Islamist/terrorist takeover. If you have seen the other coverage Fox News has had on the Egyptian popular uprising, you will see the same thing and the same editorial line being applied. Glenn Beck a few days ago 'covered' events in Egypt and the same message was put across, though he added his own theory of it being a Marxist and Islamist led takeover.

Fox News is voicing the opinions of a particular segment of the US ruling class that does not want to see any change to the status quo in the Middle East and the preservation of Mubarak's regime. This is apparant not just on the Beck and Hannity shows but also in it's wider news coverage of the Egyptian popular uprising. Other corporate news outlets like CNN , BBC and Sky News have been a lot more balanced than Fox News as to the nature of the popular uprising and the possible future outcomes that could take place in Egypt. Fox News just runs with the theme "terrorist/radical takeover" and "Islamic Caliphate" and if you want to keep reinforcing that point, then there is no better person than Anjem Choudary.


I dont agree with everything choudary says, but his comments about american imperialism and isreal I can very much agree with.

I think thats the wrong way in analysing what Choudary says.

Firstly, Choudary is in no way opposed to imperialism, he is very much in favour of it. He just wants Western imperialism replaced with Islamic imperialism. With him it is that simple.

Secondly, nearly every fascist (and Choudary is a fascist) will say something or voice some opinion we can all agree with, a classic case of a broken clock being right twice a day. When the BNP leader Nick Griffin tried to capitalise on opposition to the Iraq War in 2003, he called it "illegal" and made points about the 2003 invasion being an act of agression against Iraq, all true but all irrelevant when coming from him. The reason being is that their motives for saying these things and the very nature of their own respective fascist ideologies means that even their professed anti-war stances and anti-imperialism are hollow and worthless. True, effective and lasting opposition to war and imperialism can only come from the actions of the working class, the oppressed and from the victims of these horrors, not from Islamists, fascists or reactionaries. This and a class conscious and materialist analysis of how imperialism works and it's inter-dependent relationship with capitalism is essential if war and imperialism are to be opposed effecively. The wave of unrest and popular uprisings across the Arab world proves my point, the power of the working class has now overthrown one Arab tyrant (Ben Ali) and looks likely to do the same with Mubarak. Yet what have the jihadis that Choudary supports so much done recently, besides continuining with sectarian killings in Pakistan and Iraq? Well whatever they are up to, they have not had much luck in removing imperialist client regimes in the Middle East and the fact that the working class have had more sucess on this, I think speaks for itself. In another (very positive) way it also shows people in the Middle East the redunant nature of Islamism, both in it's ideology and as a method of opposing imperialism, as it has now been exposed as ineffective in that task.


Hannity was being his usual assholish self by not letting him answer the questions properly.

Hannity is a total dick, agreed. But in all fairness I don't think Choudary would have ever been able to answer any of the questions put to him, regardless of Hannity's interruptions. All Choudary would have done was drone on about the popular uprising being an Islamist one and trying to take some credit for the popular uprising, which is not only a flat out distortion but an insult to the brave Egyptian people who now face real risks to themselves in confronting the Mubarak regime, something Choudary would know nothing about.

Like I said before, Fox News chose Choudary for a very good reason. I just hope people are not stupid enough to fall for the hysterics that Fox News has put out on Egypt, becuase if they do, it will be sadly be the Egyptian people that suffer the most.

[Chambered Word]

KK does anyone else here think Hannity and Fox just had this guy on to reinforce the idea that Muslims in egypt are dangerous people to be afraid of? It's not that people like this aren't fascistic assholes, but Hannity is trying to smear all the revolutionaries with this man's loony views.

Conservative talk-show hosts are renowned for shouting down the weakest of opponents (e.g Glenn Beck's interview with Sam Webb) and trying to make them look bad. So it's pretty obvious that this is why they do it. Beck and Hannity don't know the slightest thing about the issues they pontificate about and they know it, which is why they have lunatics like Choudary on their shows; they give the illusion of a fair and balanced analysis between two adversaries on different sides of politics. In reality these shows are a naught but a clusterfuck of raving rightists spouting off all manner of ill-conceived opinions that they expect people to take from face value.