Are we getting bigger?

[Rafiq]

Things around the world look like big shitstorm going down.

Is there like statistics showing our growth

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Who are "we"?

[Aurorus Ruber]

Who are "we"?

I imagine they mean revolutionary socialists.

[Rafiq]

commies

[Sixiang]

I think in some parts of the world, people are getting more antagonistic towards capitalism and are looking for alternatives to it, thus bringing them to consider socialism. I'm not sure about any statistics, though.

[robbo203]

I think in some parts of the world, people are getting more antagonistic towards capitalism and are looking for alternatives to it, thus bringing them to consider socialism. I'm not sure about any statistics, though.


There is evidence of decling support for a free market version of capitalism but that does not mean people are getting "more antagonistic towards capitalism" as such. It may merely mean they see the need for the state to play a greater role in the administration of capitalism

My perception is that the traditional state capitalist left - the Leninists, Trots, Stalinists et al - has been steadily declining while the broadly based anarchist movement, by contrast, is going through a bit of revivial of sorts. I might be mistaken in thinking this, though, and would appreciate any hard evdience to back up or refute my assertion. Some leftist organisations may have grown but usually at the expense of others within a largely shrinking market for state capitalist ideology.

More interesting perhaps than the overt politicos are movements like Zietgeist which calls for the revolutionary abolition of money and capitalism. TZM is a strange mixture of ideas - I find their cultish nature with their unhelathy focus on figures like Peter Joseph and their lack of a transperently democratic structure, somewhat offputting . However it cannot be denied that, in calling for the abolition of money, they are explicitly stating something that lies at the very heart of the revolutionary socialist project which most Leftists , it has to be said, shrink from ever mentioning (for fear appearing "utopian", I suppose)

[Sixiang]

There is evidence of decling support for a free market version of capitalism but that does not mean people are getting "more antagonistic towards capitalism" as such. It may merely mean they see the need for the state to play a greater role in the administration of capitalism


Yeah, I think you may be right about that overall. I don't have a very accurate view of the left because I live in a very conservative part of America. I have merely assumptions and various news sources I check to try to gauge this stuff.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

What's exciting, to me, is that there appears to be as much antagonism toward the state, toward "the left", and toward the whole of existing forms of life as toward capitalism (and there's plenty toward capitalism).

FOR NOTHING. AGAINST EVERYTHING.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Fire to the prisons, baby!

[Togglebog]

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[Mitchilich]

Yeah, I think you may be right about that overall. I don't have a very accurate view of the left because I live in a very conservative part of America. I have merely assumptions and various news sources I check to try to gauge this stuff.

Me too. There are a lot of white conservative republicans roaming the landscape here.

[Ocean Seal]

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Regarding the OP question, I would like to think so, but I don't see anyone besides Beck claiming that this is happening because of communists.

[smk]

Me too. There are a lot of white conservative republicans roaming the landscape here.

ya, I live in Nebraska. as much as I love the scenery and people, the politics suck. I have literally never met someone further left than Obama (who is essentially to the right) here. Granted I am only 17, but that is still a long time to not meet anybody. Fox news is considered a legitimate news source by most people here. We have about as many Christian radio networks as we do music and news networks.

However, I understand there is a IWW chapter in Nebraska, but I think they are pretty small.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

ya, I live in Nebraska. as much as I love the scenery and people, the politics suck. I have literally never met someone further left than Obama (who is essentially to the right) here. Granted I am only 17, but that is still a long time to not meet anybody. Fox news is considered a legitimate news source by most people here. We have about as many Christian radio networks as we do music and news networks.

However, I understand there is a IWW chapter in Nebraska, but I think they are pretty small.
I'm not sure where you are, but I grew up and lived in Omaha my entire life until the last year. If you need contacts, I know a few people in the I.W.W. Yes, they are growing, but at a good, steady pace the last year. There are members in both Lincoln and Omaha. Seems like the people in the Nebraska IWW are pretty diverse too, as far as tendencies and ideas go. I wouldn't be surprised if a small party branch or organization popped up in the near future; Omaha has potential.

Besides that, yes, Nebraska isn't too good for politics. Omaha is a liberal city, and the rest of the state are easy republican votes. Just a heads up from personal experience: Don't bother with the Greens.

[scourge007]

I joined this site because I started questioning capitalism. Then a few weeks ago I quit my job because my boss wouldn't give me the money I earned. Socialism , communism and anarchism are far from perfect , but are better than capitalism , imperialism and fascism.

[Le Socialiste]

There is a certain hostility brewing towards the capitalistic nature of the well-to-do, but I don't know if it will necessarily manifest itself into a revolutionary socialist movement. One can hope, but without the tools and understanding of class antagonisms, divisions, and consciousness, these societies won't be able to do much in the way of effective change. Events in N. Africa and the Middle East are encouraging, but these uprisings have been limited to the ouster of entrenched leaders and not the furtherance of socialism. There is an economic-quality to it, however if the people don't recognize their impoverishment as linked to Capitalism, they won't see the need to dismantle it. The anger is there, it just has't been focused to the point necessary to achieve mass action.