Europe vs USA (punk)

[Bandito]

Which genre do you prefer?
I'm well aware that something like that can't be labeled as "This is American" or "This is European" because punk evolved into many different distinctive sounds that don't vary on the territory of their origin. But there is a difference, anyone who listened to punk music can tell you that.

I, myself, am not that big of a fan of US stuff. There are descent bands, but European sound seems more pleasant to my ears.

Oldies like...

Ruts

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The Clash

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The Adverts

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Angelic Upstarts

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And the newer stuff like...

Tower Blocks

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Non Servium

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or Los Fastidios

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....seem much better than the stuff American scene has to offer.

[Fawkes]

This is a really flawed question in that there are no defining characteristics about European and American punk other than their region of origin. While I love bands from both areas and have no interest in saying which has better ones, I have yet to see anyone come out of Europe that can match Iggy and the Stooges, Richard Hell, The Velvet Underground, Black Flag, New York Dolls, Suicide, Television, The Minutemen, and Big Black as far as innovation goes. Well, not anyone, but considerably less. That probably has more to do with my lack of exposure than with actual trends though.

[gorillafuck]

Hardcore punk, which is awesome, developed in the US while anarcho-punk, which is usually slow and usually boring, developed in the UK. So I'm gonna say American punk is, imo, better.

Both are good though.

[#FF0000]

America had the DC hardcore scene, so, yeah.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

The Adolescents
Descendents
Aus-Rotten
Tragedy
His Hero is Gone
Dead Kennedys
The Plot to Blow Up the Eiffel Tower
Please Inform the Captain this is a Hijack
One Last Wish
Grey Matter
From Ashes Rise
Gorilla Biscuits
In My Eyes



yeah, some my favorites at top of my head are all American... but hey at least Europe, has, uhh.... Amebix and Discharge, right?!

[NGNM85]

There's no reason to choose one over the other. European and American punk are fundamentally intertwined. Mick Jones was the president of the (Unofficial) UK New York Dolls fan club, (Which also included Morrissey.) the second wave of LA punk, the Hollywood scene that included some of the great American punk bands; the Germs, X, the Weirdos, the Screamers, etc., was a reaction to the explosion of British punk. You can go on and on. What I think would be a more legitimate line of discussion would be, who gave birth to punk; England or the US? Although, that is certainly a very tired debate, that, ultimately, to a certain extent, is almost a philosophical question. My personal answer is that the Sex Pistols were the Robert Johnsons' of punk, they didn't invent it, they codified it, they gave it form. Without the Sex Pistols there would have been a phenomena called punk, but it wouldn't be anything like what actually happened.

[Cencus]

Hardcore punk, which is awesome, developed in the US while anarcho-punk, which is usually slow and usually boring, developed in the UK. So I'm gonna say American punk is, imo, better.

Both are good though.

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Anarcho-punk not so slow n boring :p

Comparing punk from both sides of the pond is pretty nigh on impossible as theres nearly 40 years of musical variation and evolution, but if you force an opinion on me it has to be European as thats what I grew up with and it's kinda ingained by now ;).

[Tomhet]

U.S.A hardcore represent.

[gorillafuck]

Anarcho-punk not so slow n boring :p
Well it's not always boring (sometimes slower punk can still be cool), but it's usually slow and boring. Conflict are a notable exception, Conflict are really good.


Amebix and Discharge, right?!
I like crust (which apparently originated in the UK) but Amebix suck.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The USA had a more driving style in their hardcore. "Hardcore" in the UK manifested itself mostly in oi, "peace punk"/crust and (as Zeekloid accurately mentioned) mostly boring anarcho-punk. That's not to say that some listenable bands didn't come out of that movement, though, and I'm thinking specifically of the Subhumans and Zounds here. Charged GBH was good, too, but all-in-all I can't think of many bands that really captured the energy of bands like Black Flag, the Circle Jerks or JFA. Hell, even secondary bands in punk history like Gang Green in Boston or Articles of Faith from Chicago. Or Reagan Youth. The list goes on. So I'm going with the USA on this one.

I don't know enough about Euro-punk outside of the UK to comment.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Also, Amebix and 99% of all crust punk is boring crapola. I'm sorry, it's just the truth.

[Fawkes]

There's no reason to choose one over the other. European and American punk are fundamentally intertwined. Mick Jones was the president of the (Unofficial) UK New York Dolls fan club, (Which also included Morrissey.) the second wave of LA punk, the Hollywood scene that included some of the great American punk bands; the Germs, X, the Weirdos, the Screamers, etc., was a reaction to the explosion of British punk. You can go on and on. What I think would be a more legitimate line of discussion would be, who gave birth to punk; England or the US? Although, that is certainly a very tired debate, that, ultimately, to a certain extent, is almost a philosophical question. My personal answer is that the Sex Pistols were the Robert Johnsons' of punk, they didn't invent it, they codified it, they gave it form. Without the Sex Pistols there would have been a phenomena called punk, but it wouldn't be anything like what actually happened.

I agree with you, and I think in a lot of ways that is what destroyed much of the innovative and revolutionary potential of punk. Sex Pistols were amazing and did a lot of really great stuff, but a lot of their derivatives and proteges were the ones responsible for regimenting "punk". In NYC, people that were called punks and laid the groundwork for this movement were street kids, artsy bohemians, drag queens, hustlers, junkies, non-heteros, prostitutes, and just the generally despised people of society. There wasn't a uniform or explicit style, the ethos and principles informally laid out were do whatever the hell you want regardless of what others think/say about it; and always be controversial, provocative, and innovative. It was the English that introduced spiked hair, studded jackets, and three-chords-and-a-mohawk as the uniform and soundtrack of punk, which I think destroyed much of the movement's potential. There were/are amazing English bands, no doubt, but I think they were the ones largely responsible for doing just as you said, codifying it.

[NGNM85]

I agree with you, and I think in a lot of ways that is what destroyed much of the innovative and revolutionary potential of punk. Sex Pistols were amazing and did a lot of really great stuff, but a lot of their derivatives and proteges were the ones responsible for regimenting "punk". In NYC, people that were called punks and laid the groundwork for this movement were street kids, artsy bohemians, drag queens, hustlers, junkies, non-heteros, prostitutes, and just the generally despised people of society. There wasn't a uniform or explicit style, the ethos and principles informally laid out were do whatever the hell you want regardless of what others think/say about it; and always be controversial, provocative, and innovative. It was the English that introduced spiked hair, studded jackets, and three-chords-and-a-mohawk as the uniform and soundtrack of punk, which I think destroyed much of the movement's potential. There were/are amazing English bands, no doubt, but I think they were the ones largely responsible for doing just as you said, codifying it.

When I said the Sex Pistols codified punk I meant in more of a positive sense. Some have said this was the beginning of the end, in the sense that that minute you’re born you’re taking the first step towards the grave. I don’t put a lot of stock into that, I think it was actually a good thing. First, I think the Sex Pistols and the early British punk scene was substantially more interesting than their American predecessors. (The only early US bands that really impressed me were the Ramones, the Runaways, and Blondie.) It was more political (Although, not ideological.) angrier, and more dynamic. The early London scene was like a Paris salon. The Pistols popped up then you had the Bromley Contingent which included Sid, Siouxsie, Steve Severin, Billy Idol, suddenly up comes the Banshees, the Clash, the Damned, the Buzzcocks, etc. They were so young, and all these people knew eachother, and they created beautiful, ballsy, breathtaking art. It’s really amazing. I think this was a vital, and beneficial stage for Punk. The conformity and all that started during this time, however, I really credit the worst of it to the development of the British Streetpunk/Anarcho-Punk. (Who were just Streetpunks who read Bakunin.) That was when punk really became a uniform. All the bands started sounding and dressing exactly the same. Arguably, the worst of this period are the Exploited. When they put out ‘Punks’ Not Dead!”, it was definitely a sign we were in trouble. However, that said, I still like some of these bands like the Varukers, GBH, etc. I’m just in love with Punk Rock as a whole. I always will be.

[Os Cangaceiros]

It's disappointing that, when many people think of "punk", they automatically think of the Sex Pistols. There were bands from the UK around the same time as the SPs that were just as good IMO, if not better, like the Buzzcocks, the Damned and the Stiff Little Fingers. You'll notice that I didn't name one specific band here, a band that rhymes with "the rash". Those bastards are way too over-exposed, even if their third album was a brilliant piece of music or whatever.

[Fawkes]

When I said the Sex Pistols codified punk I meant in more of a positive sense. Some have said this was the beginning of the end, in the sense that that minute you’re born you’re taking the first step towards the grave. I don’t put a lot of stock into that, I think it was actually a good thing. First, I think the Sex Pistols and the early British punk scene was substantially more interesting than their American predecessors. (The only early US bands that really impressed me were the Ramones, the Runaways, and Blondie.) It was more political (Although, not ideological.) angrier, and more dynamic. The early London scene was like a Paris salon. The Pistols popped up then you had the Bromley Contingent which included Sid, Siouxsie, Steve Severin, Billy Idol, suddenly up comes the Banshees, the Clash, the Damned, the Buzzcocks, etc. They were so young, and all these people knew eachother, and they created beautiful, ballsy, breathtaking art. It’s really amazing. I think this was a vital, and beneficial stage for Punk. The conformity and all that started during this time, however, I really credit the worst of it to the development of the British Streetpunk/Anarcho-Punk. (Who were just Streetpunks who read Bakunin.) That was when punk really became a uniform. All the bands started sounding and dressing exactly the same. Arguably, the worst of this period are the Exploited. When they put out ‘Punks’ Not Dead!”, it was definitely a sign we were in trouble. However, that said, I still like some of these bands like the Varukers, GBH, etc. I’m just in love with Punk Rock as a whole. I always will be.

Yeah, the first wave of English punk bands were really awesome, but their "derivatives and proteges" were the ones largely responsible for this reactionary bullshit you see now if you go to a show. Also, as far as early U.S. bands, check out (even though you probably already have) Iggy and the Stooges, Richard Hell and the Voidoids, Patti Smith, Velvet Underground, and Suicide to name a few. They were political in a subversive sense, much like the early London bands.

I like some Oi!/streetpunk, but most of it is stupid formulaic bullshit.

From my etic perspective garnered from things I've read/heard/etc., it seems the English music scene and youth culture in general was far more inclined towards definite categorization (punk, skinhead, mod, teddy boy, new romantic, etc.), whereas there seems to have been a greater degree of fluidity in the U.S. That probably came across as arrogant and chauvinistic, but that's just what I've observed. Also, that's not to say there wasn't a considerable amount of regimentation in American punk, particularly once the 80s came around, it just seems to have played much less of a prominent role.

[Stand Your Ground]

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'Nuff said.

[gorillafuck]

Also, Amebix and 99% of all crust punk is boring crapola. I'm sorry, it's just the truth.
Some fucking awesome bands are crust. Antischism, Tragedy, Nausea....

(None of those are British bands, though)

[Widerstand]

Really hard to tell. I have a love for German punk forms (German P-HC/Screamo and Deutschpunk on top), Gallows and Refused. But other than that, fucking 80s Hardcore, Revolution Summer Emo, 90s Screamo, Dischord bands, Midwest Emo Revival and 90s/00's P-HC/Screamo (The Wave !) has nothing comparable.

definitely US :o

[Os Cangaceiros]

I actually like Nausea, too. I think that's the only crust band I like, though.

[ed miliband]

Is this crust punk:

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I like that.

[Widerstand]

I think that's more of trashcore or powerviolence or something like that, but it has a crusty vibe to it.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Another subgenre of punk (besides crust) that I generally can't stand is East Coast "tough guy" hardcore (bands like Madball, Blood for Blood etc.)

I do own "Age Of Quarrel" by the Cro-Mags, though.

[Widerstand]

Another subgenre of punk (besides crust) that I generally can't stand is East Coast "tough guy" hardcore (bands like Madball, Blood for Blood etc.)

I do own "Age Of Quarrel" by the Cro-Mags, though.

http://www.extrememusicwear.de/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/mig/96_0.jpg

[Fawkes]

http://www.extrememusicwear.de/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/mig/96_0.jpg

I'd love that shirt if it wasn't a diss at Sick Of It All, SOIA is fuckin awesome (or maybe I'm just reading too far into things).

And yeah, tough guy stuff usually sucks. Anyone else get really annoyed by Roger Miret's voice? And on the subject of NYHC, anyone else think that Biohazard sounds like a really pissed off, street-hardened version of the Beastie Boys?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

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'Nuff said.
Total Chaos are some of the biggest assholes I've met, band-wise.
But yeah.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

One of my favorite punk bands lately... The first song always makes me mawsh

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[L.A.P.]

Just like Heavy Metal, the UK invented Punk but the US innovated it.

[Fawkes]

Just like Heavy Metal, the UK invented Punk but the US innovated it.

Iggy was rolling in glass when Sid was only 12 years old

[Cencus]

Just like Heavy Metal, the UK invented Punk but the US innovated it.
It all depends where you think punk started. In the U.S the Stooges, MC5, the Velvet Underground etc were blazing a trail towards what would commonly be accepted as punk, but to many they don't quite fit as punk.

After that we have whole CBGB's scene New York Dolls, The Ramones, Blondie, Patti Smith, Talking Heads, and so on. When The Ramones came over to the U.K. in 75 just about everyone who was involved in the the initial London punk scene was in the audience.

At the same time the pub rock scene in London was nuturing many of the future stars of punk, Joe Strummer's 101ers, Ian Dury's Kilburn & the high roads alongside major influences like Dr Feelgood.

Then it all exploded thanks to the manipulations of one Malcon McLaren, love him or loathe him he certainly put punk on the front pages.

We can argue til we are blue in the teeth about the exact date and location punk started and tbh it really don't matter as long as you enjoy and appreciate the music.

[NGNM85]

Then it all exploded thanks to the manipulations of one Malcon McLaren, love him or loathe him he certainly put punk on the front pages.

Malcolm’s contributions are often overestimated, he was his own best publicist.. While the band wouldn’t have gotten together without him, ultimately, I would say his impact on the Pistols was predominantly negative. He provided absolutely no creative input, he robbed them blind, he deliberately cancelled or did not book gigs, he very likely exacerbated the conflict between Matlock and Lydon, and the biggest blow was probably the booking of the final tour of the US. Malcolm had the brilliant idea to restrict the tour almost entirely to the deep south. If they had done a standard tour (Philadelphia, Detroit, DC, Boston, NY, etc.) they would have built a significant US following. His biggest contribution to the band was telling Steve Jones he’d be better off as a guitarist, and providing a practice space. (Malcolm virtually never attended practices or gigs.) Frankly, I think he’s probably one of the worst managers in Rock ‘n Roll history. The Dolls were already in decline, but he hastened the process with his absurd Soviet makeover, then he stole Adam’s Ants to create Bow Wow Wow, who fizzled pretty quickly, while Adam went on to solo success.

[L.A.P.]

Iggy was rolling in glass when Sid was only 12 years old

That's true, can't forget about Proto-Punk.

[Stand Your Ground]

Total Chaos are some of the biggest assholes I've met, band-wise.
But yeah.
Why do you say that?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Why do you say that?
Attention everyone, here's proof of Punk Rock Drama:

They double booked the night they were suppose to play my town. The guy running the show was told they wouldn't be played the other show. They showed up late, drunk as fuck (which is okay, but not when shit is about to go down as you'll see...)
They arrive at the place at 12:05am, which isn't a good idea because they're suppose to be playing at 12:10am. It takes a while to load your stuff and set up equipment... The guy running the show asks what happened, and they and their middle-man (Tommy "Rotten") said they had a flat tire. So first they were late, and then they lie. How were they lying? They werent late because of a flat; they actually played the other show. The guy running the show tells them he knows other people who talked to his 2 friends who were at the other show saying they just saw them play earlier. When confronted, they just walk away...
Besides being late (why ask for a huge guarantee if you're going to play an hour later when it's super late and people are leaving?), their set was suppose to last 50 minutes. They play for barely 30, and in-between songs constantly ***** about their problems and the guy running the show. Their performance was sub-par, and you could tell half the group wasn't even trying, or were too drunk to perform.
After the show, they demand a bigger guarantee, even though they were late, didn't play very long, were very rude to everyone they met, and were caught lying more than once. Rob (the singer) took offense, going off onto some rant saying "all I have to do is make one phone call and you'll never book another top talent band EVER!" Man, what a high horse he rode up on...
After about 30 minutes of arguing in the parking lot, they eventually left. Some members tried to plead their case, but it was starting to get pathetic. They left saying they would take him (show organizer) to court for the contract he signed, but they never put that to action.


It was an overall bad experience for everyone: the organizer, the crowd, and I guess the lying, crybaby band...

[gorillafuck]

The funniest thing ever involving a band being assholes was when one of the guys from Clit 45 got punched down by a star wars fan he was making fun of and then their band walked off in shame.

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[Fawkes]

No, no, no, I think we all know the funniest band-being-assholes situation:
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[DuracellBunny97]

So many good english punk bands, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Crass, But nobody compares to the Dead Kennedys, so USA for me.

[Stand Your Ground]

Attention everyone, here's proof of Punk Rock Drama:

They double booked the night they were suppose to play my town. The guy running the show was told they wouldn't be played the other show. They showed up late, drunk as fuck (which is okay, but not when shit is about to go down as you'll see...)
They arrive at the place at 12:05am, which isn't a good idea because they're suppose to be playing at 12:10am. It takes a while to load your stuff and set up equipment... The guy running the show asks what happened, and they and their middle-man (Tommy "Rotten") said they had a flat tire. So first they were late, and then they lie. How were they lying? They werent late because of a flat; they actually played the other show. The guy running the show tells them he knows other people who talked to his 2 friends who were at the other show saying they just saw them play earlier. When confronted, they just walk away...
Besides being late (why ask for a huge guarantee if you're going to play an hour later when it's super late and people are leaving?), their set was suppose to last 50 minutes. They play for barely 30, and in-between songs constantly ***** about their problems and the guy running the show. Their performance was sub-par, and you could tell half the group wasn't even trying, or were too drunk to perform.
After the show, they demand a bigger guarantee, even though they were late, didn't play very long, were very rude to everyone they met, and were caught lying more than once. Rob (the singer) took offense, going off onto some rant saying "all I have to do is make one phone call and you'll never book another top talent band EVER!" Man, what a high horse he rode up on...
After about 30 minutes of arguing in the parking lot, they eventually left. Some members tried to plead their case, but it was starting to get pathetic. They left saying they would take him (show organizer) to court for the contract he signed, but they never put that to action.


It was an overall bad experience for everyone: the organizer, the crowd, and I guess the lying, crybaby band...
Well they probly have a drinking problem, so maybe we should find out why that is before calling them asses. Maybe the fame is too much for them to handle, I don't know...

[The Douche]

No, no, no, I think we all know the funniest band-being-assholes situation:
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I thought you hated tough guy?


I feel like every thread on here dealing with punk/hardcore now is just shitting on me hahahaha.

Anyways, I'm going to a show tonight (if I can find another ride/convince my friend to go even though she is hungover) where I will be spinkicking to the sounds of tough guy hardcore.



ALSO, on topic, US punk is better. Can this even be argued?

[Cencus]

ALSO, on topic, US punk is better. Can this even be argued?
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Those opening chords still have the power to make the hairs on the back of my neck stick up

As an side note on this has anyone favoured the away team on this, it seems that folks prefer the punk from their side of the Atlantic.

[Bandito]

I'll just say....

The Clash.

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Sorry, Yanks.

[Fawkes]

I thought you hated tough guy?


I feel like every thread on here dealing with punk/hardcore now is just shitting on me hahahaha.

Anyways, I'm going to a show tonight (if I can find another ride/convince my friend to go even though she is hungover) where I will be spinkicking to the sounds of tough guy hardcore.



ALSO, on topic, US punk is better. Can this even be argued?
I've never listend to NSK, so I dunno if I'd like them or not, but that guy seemed to be pretty reasonable and nice and Danzig was just being a prick. He deserved to get knocked out.

[praxis1966]

I've never listend to NSK, so I dunno if I'd like them or not, but that guy seemed to be pretty reasonable and nice and Danzig was just being a prick. He deserved to get knocked out.

Well, in all fairness to Glenn, that happened way, way, waaaaaayyy after he stopped being cool.

[Property Is Robbery]

Why does everyone keep posting The Clash? I mean seriously. I find it hard to pick europe or america. But using The Clash as an argument for the UK makes me pick America.

[gorillafuck]

I'll just say....
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The Clash.

Sorry, Yanks.If you want to make the comparison of US to UK 70's stuff.....

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shazam.

[praxis1966]

To return briefly to the OP...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQaigIqXhFs/SqGYIfP6A8I/AAAAAAAAAcM/zTWhaCcAjG4/s320/badreligionlogo.jpg

(Also, you should know that if you have to ask you'll never understand.)

[Widerstand]

To return briefly to the OP...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQaigIqXhFs/SqGYIfP6A8I/AAAAAAAAAcM/zTWhaCcAjG4/s320/badreligionlogo.jpg

(Also, you should know that if you have to ask you'll never understand.)

They don't need to be no global citizens.

[Fawkes]

In that vein:
http://www.arthurmag.com/magpie/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/black_flag_bars.jpg

and

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/319d624338eb97c2cb85501206c8ed46/173.jpg

[gorillafuck]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61dtLqhZ63L._SL500_AA300_.gif

[Bandito]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2651/4113143174_2200361874.jpg

;)

[gorillafuck]

Pffft jeez, Cock Sparrer's not even close to Black Flag and Minor Thread.

Also....

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~alr237/mdc_ripper.jpg

[Bandito]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MCE399ASdOA/S59Wmh9vxUI/AAAAAAAABOQ/IXq5vxHZa10/s400/Angelic+Upstarts+Live.jpg

[Widerstand]

http://blowthescene.com/files/2010/10/Touche-Amore-Live-Band.jpg

I AM MARCHING TO THE BEAT OF A DEAD HORSE
I AM MARCHING TO THE BEAT OF A DEAD HORSE
I AM MARCHING TO THE BEAT OF A DEAD HORSE
I AM MARCHING TO THE BEAT OF A DEAD HORSE
I AM MARCHING TO THE BEAT OF A DEAD HORSE

The end of this debate!

[NGNM85]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2651/4113143174_2200361874.jpg

;)

I fucking LOVE Cock Sparrer!!! :D

They are criminally underappreciated.

[gorillafuck]

They're alright. Not a standout band, though.:lol:

[Bandito]

I have a Cock Sparrer logo tattooed on my shoulder. :)

[Formaldehyde and Seek]

Danzig needs to get his ass kicked for leaving the Misfits.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/danzig%20kitty%20litter.jpg

[Weezer]

Yugoslavia had a great Punk scene surprisingly, too.

The US has ska-punk. Ska-punk beats all.

Sorry, UK.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The US has ska-punk. Ska-punk beats all.

Sorry, UK.

LOL someone doesn't know their ska/ska-punk history.

[gorillafuck]

The US has ska-punk. Ska-punk beats all.

Sorry, UK.Skacore is the only good kind of ska-punk. Ska-punk that's basically pop-rock ska isn't good, imo.

Also I don't think that's unique to the US...

[Weezer]

LOL someone doesn't know their ska/ska-punk history.

2Tone is distinct and separate to ska-punk/skacore.


Skacore is the only good kind of ska-punk. Ska-punk that's basically pop-rock ska isn't good, imo.

Also I don't think that's unique to the US...

It's where Ska-punk is most prominent and where it originated. There are some non-American ska-punk bands, but few.

[Amphictyonis]

Bay Area punk for the win!

[Os Cangaceiros]

2Tone is distinct and separate to ska-punk/skacore.

That depends on what you consider "ska punk" to be. If ska-core is just a fast, driving style of playing combined with a horn section, then that certainly existed prior to the late 80's/early-mid-90's popularity in the USA.

[praxis1966]

That depends on what you consider "ska punk" to be. If ska-core is just a fast, driving style of playing combined with a horn section, then that certainly existed prior to the late 80's/early-mid-90's popularity in the USA.

Well, I dunno what Amphictyonis considers it, but the term "ska punk" for me is evocative of these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQxSh0_KZJg

[Amphictyonis]

Well, I dunno what Amphictyonis considers it Bay Area punk...



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[Lemanic]

For me, Europunk is more Concrete Aggressive and Ameripunk is more Fuzzy Aggressive. There is of course exeptions, but, Punk in Europe tells you about taking down the system and Punk in America tells you about changing your mind.

They're both good music and great at parties when the mood has become more streamlined.

[Bandito]

For me, Europunk is more Concrete Aggressive and Ameripunk is more Fuzzy Aggressive. There is of course exeptions, but, Punk in Europe tells you about taking down the system and Punk in America tells you about changing your mind.

They're both good music and great at parties when the mood has become more streamlined.
This is actually an interesting view.

[Lemanic]

This is actually an interesting view.

Well, as seen on "Seven Ages of Rock", the difference between Sex Pistols and the Ramones, was that the Ramones was more bohemic compared to Sex Pistols more straight up aggresive tone.

[GiantBear91]

America has: Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Trash Talk, (Fucking) CEREMONY!!!, Circle Jerks, Torch Runner, Negative FX, Negative Approach, Poison Idea, SS Decontrol, MINOR THREAT, Sublime, The Misfits, Iggy mother fucking Pop, etc.

American Punk RULES. HARD.

Europe has: Crass, The Ruts, and a lot more that I can not think of at the moment.

European Punk is not that great but its still gnarly! ;D

[Fawkes]

If we're counting "post-punk" or whatever you want to call it, Europe makes a pretty damn good case

[Geiseric]

Bay area ska punk/ regular punk yeah$$$

924 Gilman club is a reccomendation for any california punk fans, it's in berkley. You'll have the time of your life if you go to a concwet there

[Amphictyonis]

Well, I dunno what Amphictyonis considers it, but the term "ska punk" for me is evocative of these guys:

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[praxis1966]

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:lol: Nice... Love Op Ivy... Didn't need wiki the link, though.

[gorillafuck]

Musical wise, American punk is generally much more fast and much more aggressive than British punk with the exception of crust developing in England. Lyrical wise I think that it's more common for American bands to sing about their lives whereas it's more common for British punk bands to sing down with the system type of songs.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

o hai. 'MURICA

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