April 16 in NJ: Neo-Nazis plan rally, conference

[graymouser]

Open neo-nazis are planning a rally and a conference on April 16 here in New Jersey's capital, a majority-black city. People in the region should spread this info around, I will update as I know of more concrete plans.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2011/02/neo-nazi_national_socialst_mov.html


TRENTON — A neo-Nazi organization whose events have attracted sometimes violent counterprotests will hold a rally in front of the Statehouse on April 16, said the group’s New Jersey representative, Jason Hiecke.

The National Socialist Movement will hold a two-day conference in the area, including a rally of 75 to 150 people on the second day, Hiecke said. The State Police said the group has been issued an event permit.

Organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League describe the Detroit-based NSM as the nation’s largest neo-Nazi group and say it promotes an anti-Semitic and racist ideology through rallies, a website and other online activities.

Etzion Neuer, director of the Anti-Defamation’s office in Teaneck, said the NSM group seems to be trying to raise its local profile.

“The group has had a presence in New Jersey for some time,” Neuer said. “I’d be hard-pressed to find the last time we’ve seen a gathering of this sort in New Jersey. It’s been several years. And it’s disturbing.”

Hiecke said Brian Holland, a presidential candidate in 2008 and NSM member from Virginia, may attend the gathering in Trenton. Hiecke described the event as a political rally. He disputed the characterization of his group as racist.

“We’re basically speaking about the corruption here in New Jersey politics, the immigration problem that faces our nation, and the revolving-door criminal system,” he said. Other issues he cited were the state’s high property taxes, child molesters who he said are allowed to go out in the public wearing ankle bracelets, an alleged “double standard” in which only crimes by whites against minorities are described as “hate crimes,” overspending on foreign aid, and the shipping of jobs overseas.

“We’re all considered racists or white supremacists, but that’s not what most of our members are about,” he said. At the same time, he noted that the organization’s symbol is a swastika, the symbol used by Adolf Hitler and Nazis during World War II and the Holocaust.

While the NSM discusses issues that are part of mainstream political discourse, they clearly set themselves apart, Neuer said.

“The National Socialist Movement is distinctive in that they will wear Nazi-style uniforms,” he said. “One will typically see them dressed in swastikas, even more than most white supremacists. The visual that we might see of neo-Nazis clad in uniforms on the steps of the Capitol will revolt most New Jerseyans.”

“There are scores of organizations that one may affiliate with in order to express conservative viewpoints,” he added. The uniforms “would suggest something much more severe than conservative politics.”

Such rallies have previously attracted counterprotesters from the organization Anti-Racist Action and other groups. An NSM rally and march in Phoenix in November reportedly turned into a riot after the counterprotesters tried to block the marchers.

“They always want to accuse us of being the violent ones, and all we are doing is exercising our freedom of speech and giving people an alternative to the Democrats and the Republicans,” Hiecke said.

Neuer confirmed that the NSM members have not started the violence at past events, and he advised people to stay away from April’s rally.

“New Jersey is a state that has tremendous diversity, and by and large there’s a healthy respect for differences,” he said. “Nothing would upset the National Socialist Movement members more than seeing people being accepting of our differences. I would suggest people resist the temptation to protest against this group.”

Hub City Anti-Racist Action, the New Brunswick chapter of the organization that has protested at previous NSM rallies, could not be reached for comment.

The rally will occur at the same that Thomas Edison State College will, for the first time, hold an April commencement at the nearby War Memorial, college spokesman Joseph Guzzardo said. He said thousands of people are expected for the graduation. The college has not decided if it will adjust its plans, Guzzardo said.

[Stand Your Ground]

Thanks for the info, gonna spread the word.

Hope to see a good counter demo.

[The Man]

Well... I'll be bringing my Anarchist flag for the counter-protest..

[Nolan]

Well... I'll be bringing my Anarchist flag..

To Join your fellow nazi communist anarchists??!

-Beck

[The Man]

Absolutely!!! Because I am an Anarcho-Syndicalo-Fasciso-Communo-Socialo-Marxo-Lenino-Guevero-Nihilo-Nazio-Capitalo-Mao'o-Third-Worldo-Agrario-Femino-Primitivo-Technocro-Existentialo-Libertarian. :laugh::laugh:

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'm amazed that this group even can exist in the United States, honestly. One of the things that I actually like about the majority of the U.S. population is the engrained hatred of Nazism. Even otherwise totally reactionary good ole' boys won't piss on Nazis if they were on fire. The ridiculous dress-up spectacle they're planning just adds to the amusement...hopefully someone will have an "I hate Illinois Nazis!" moment when they're having their rally.

[Delenda Carthago]

the national socialist movement is distinctive in that they will wear nazi-style uniforms,

fail

[graymouser]

I'm amazed that this group even can exist in the United States, honestly. One of the things that I actually like about the majority of the U.S. population is the engrained hatred of Nazism. Even otherwise totally reactionary good ole' boys won't piss on Nazis if they were on fire. The ridiculous dress-up spectacle they're planning just adds to the amusement...hopefully someone will have an "I hate Illinois Nazis!" moment when they're having their rally.
Dude, I just read Leonard Zeskind's Blood and Politics on the history of white nationalism since the '70s - it's really not a joke. Sure the idiots in the SS uniforms are the most clownish aspect of it, but whether they're dressing as Nazis, in Klan bedsheets or street clothes, we have to take them deadly serious and drive them off our streets.

[Rusty Shackleford]

too bad i dont live in NJ. would be great to counter protest these assholes.

[redSHARP]

and the Jewish Defense League (they are still around?), apparently is rattling their sabers and might show up. The JDL hate the left a little less than Nazis so things could get very interesting.

I would think it is important to understand that some people there who hate nazis might not appreciate the leftist protesters. The Southern Poverty Law Center has been updating the situation as it develops.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Someone should pick me up and we shall get them running away.

[Tim Finnegan]

and the Jewish Defense League (they are still around?), apparently is rattling their sabers and might show up. The JDL hate the left a little less than Nazis so things could get very interesting.
Those guys are mental. Did you hear about the "support rally" they held last month in Toronto for the English Defence League? I mean, yeah, I get that you both have "defence league" in your names, but I really don't think that they're on your side in the long run.

[S.Artesian]

I'm amazed that this group even can exist in the United States, honestly. One of the things that I actually like about the majority of the U.S. population is the engrained hatred of Nazism. Even otherwise totally reactionary good ole' boys won't piss on Nazis if they were on fire. The ridiculous dress-up spectacle they're planning just adds to the amusement...hopefully someone will have an "I hate Illinois Nazis!" moment when they're having their rally.


Try telling that to the Aryan Brotherhood.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Try telling what to the Aryan Brotherhood?

[S.Artesian]

Even "good ole boys" would piss on Nazis if they were on fire; the "ingrained hatred for Nazis."

[Omsk]

People need to cut with the 'nah its just idiots who pretend to be nazi's'
These people can be dangerous,and to all of you who use 'they are just kids without future who are consumed bu the words of men who spread hate and nazism'
-A confused and problematic child comes to a certain line,an evil man passes it.

[Red Bayonet]

Personally, I would worry more about the fascists IN power in the US, rather than the ones who have no power. Your best response to the wannabe fascist's soiree is simply to IGNORE them.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Even "good ole boys" would piss on Nazis if they were on fire; the "ingrained hatred for Nazis."

Well, the AB is primarily a prison thing...they have some representatives in the real world, but their activity outside the correctional system is very limited, and mostly resigned to Southern California, Orange County in particular. And yeah, they have white power/Nazi tattoos and are called "the Aryan Brotherhood" etc. but that's because prison politics are divided along racial lines...their friendly working relations with the Mexican Mafia and the fact that some of the top people in the org. have been Jewish is testament to the fact that they're really a corrupt drug gang who have been shaped by the conditions of prison. I'd hardly look at them and draw any conclusions about white nationalism/Nazism in the United States.

[Delenda Carthago]

You americans should be more conserned about conservatives than nazis.You dont have nazis.At all.Quit fuckin around trying to fight some non existed enemies because you are not willing to fight the real ones.

[The Man]

You americans should be more conserned about conservatives than nazis.You dont have nazis.At all.Quit fuckin around trying to fight some non existed enemies because you are not willing to fight the real ones.

http://www.dailyhaggis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/o_rly.jpg

Not willing to fight the real ones? We have for the past +100 years..

[psgchisolm]

Well, the AB is primarily a prison thing...they have some representatives in the real world, but their activity outside the correctional system is very limited, and mostly resigned to Southern California, Orange County in particular. And yeah, they have white power/Nazi tattoos and are called "the Aryan Brotherhood" etc. but that's because prison politics are divided along racial lines...their friendly working relations with the Mexican Mafia and the fact that some of the top people in the org. have been Jewish is testament to the fact that they're really a corrupt drug gang who have been shaped by the conditions of prison. I'd hardly look at them and draw any conclusions about white nationalism/Nazism in the United States.
and texas. they are growing there. I even think they started there.

[Princess Luna]

You americans should be more conserned about conservatives than nazis.You dont have nazis.At all.Quit fuckin around trying to fight some non existed enemies because you are not willing to fight the real ones.
I am glad somebody finally said this, i have been saying for years how those people who march down the street with the Swastikas are not Nazis, they are confused Buddhists! yet no one listened to me :(

[S.Artesian]

You americans should be more conserned about conservatives than nazis.You dont have nazis.At all.Quit fuckin around trying to fight some non existed enemies because you are not willing to fight the real ones.

1. actually, we do both 2. and you don't know what you're talking about.

[Delenda Carthago]

No.You dont.People in Russia have a nazi problem.People in Germany have a nazi problem.In Balkans. These are places where people are getting killed on a regural basis by neonazis for being migrants or even progressives.They take over whole neiborhoods over there. In Russia you have to have balls of steel to claim antifa.Ok?

http://64.19.142.10/www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/neonazi_march.jpg

This is what a nazi problem looks like

http://64.19.142.10/msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060225/060225_nazis_hmed_11a.grid-6x2.jpg

This is NOT what a nazi problem looks like.


Spot the diffrences.

[S.Artesian]

No.You dont.People in Russia have a nazi problem.People in Germany have a nazi problem.In Balkans. These are places where people are getting killed on a regural basis by neonazis for being migrants or even progressives.They take over whole neiborhoods over there. In Russia you have to have balls of steel to claim antifa.Ok?

http://64.19.142.10/www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/neonazi_march.jpg

This is what a nazi problem looks like

http://64.19.142.10/msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060225/060225_nazis_hmed_11a.grid-6x2.jpg

This is NOT what a nazi problem looks like.


Spot the diffrences.


And here we have assassinations of doctors offering medical procedures to women; we have attempts to blow up the homes of relatives of representatives who vote for healthcare; we have armed militias hunting and executing migrants, and those that look like migrants; we have spasms of arson committed against black churches.

And your "Nazi problem" did it emerge all at once and in such virulent force? Or did it accumulate popularity, recruit members, "measure" its violence until it felt strong enough to increase that violence?

You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the USA. Eleven years ago when the KKK attempted to hold a rally a NYC, you think the 20,000 people who showed up to stop that rally, to drive, physically, KKK out of NYC didn't know what they were doing? what they were facing? what a threat looks like?

Your ignorance is breathtaking.

[Delenda Carthago]

First of all, you are an idiot.Straight up.

What I said, in the beggining, was that in the US the problems are the conservatives. Not the nazis. KKK=conservatives,not nazis. All the incidents you metnioned, are from reactionary pricks and they are a real trouble. But not nazis. Sara Palin should be brought to justice (for US standarts at least) for promoting terrorism, but she is not a nazi.What the fuck you cannot understand in this simple thing?

Secondly, I dont get why would you morons get all offended..."you cant say we dont have a nazi problem.WE DO AND WE ARE PROUD OF IT!Dont take this away from us".

Thirdly, you dont know what and how I know about the States.So stfu.

[S.Artesian]

First of all, you are an idiot.Straight up.

What I said, in the beggining, was that in the US the problems are the conservatives. Not the nazis. KKK=conservatives,not nazis. All the incidents you metnioned, are from reactionary pricks and they are a real trouble. But not nazis. Sara Palin should be brought to justice (for US standarts at least) for promoting terrorism, but she is not a nazi.What the fuck you cannot understand in this simple thing?

Secondly, I dont get why would you morons get all offended..."you cant say we dont have a nazi problem.WE DO AND WE ARE PROUD OF IT!Dont take this away from us".

Thirdly, you dont know what and how I know about the States.So stfu.

Be careful about calling people "idiots" here. The moderators look dimly on that language and tend to issue warnings. I don't know how they feel about the words "moron," "imbecile," "cretin," or my personal favorite "fuckface" so feel free to prove your ignorance and avoid the content of what I said by using those words. Straight up there, you ignorant fuckface with shit for brains, [provided merely as an example as how such a criticism might be constructed].


The KKK for your information is a terrorist, racist organization that historically was organized to suppress the organizations of emancipated slaves in the South, to conduct attacks on the Union League Associations of free blacks and white radicals in the post Civil-War South and to attack and murder reconstructionist white property owners.

It penetrated all aspects of Southern white "redemptionist" government agencies and non-government associations of businessmen, professional associations, police bodies, and cultural associations.

Right, they don't wear a swastika, but you're not going to find a KKK member attacking an "official" Nazi, nor vice versa. You will find alliance, shared memberships etc among such groups.

Sarah Palin is trouble and not a nazi only because she doesn't have a separate official political organization.

But the notion that because official Nazis are somewhat smaller than unofficial nazis in conservative movements, it's pointless to confront the real Nazis is just ignorant.

As I said in the beginning, we do both-- combat nazis, and the more "popular" acceptable manifestations of the bourgeoisie's need to attack the poor, the independent movement of workers etc.

Of course the reason that the rabid conservatives feel so emboldened, and move inexorably into proto-fascist direction. is because the working class has not been mobilized on a class basis against all the manifestations of capital's assault-- an assault which includes militias extra-legal attacks on immigrants; the government's "legal" raids and workplaces to round up immigrants; the official nazi racist demonstrations.

You think groups have to wear a swastika, send valentines to Hitler and speak German to be Nazis? That in itself shows how little you understand about fascism and the good old USA.

I know exactly how little you know about the US by your own statements from you pretending to know something about the United States.

What you don't understand is how fascist movements get to the strength they need to be to cause real trouble. And part of that how is that they are not challenged directly when they attempt demonstrations to recruit new members.

In sum, while I would never call you an "idiot" in a moderated digital forum, face-to-face would be something else.

[gorillafuck]

Even "good ole boys" would piss on Nazis if they were on fire; the "ingrained hatred for Nazis."He is right that the vast, vast majority people in the US have an extreme hatred for nazism, though. The majority of people are much more anti-nazi than anti-communist.

Also, Attack is completely right in that there are virtually no neo-nazis in the US.

[Delenda Carthago]

From that delirium you just threw up over there I keep the fact that you do understand that nazis are getting bigger by causing trouble, yet you gonna give them the fuel to their fire.That's really smart.Well done.

What you dont see,is that ridiculus guys like them would NEVER,EVER EVER EVER become a serious movement, mostly because there is no political space for them free due to other reactionaries and secondly because the german 1930s uniforms are so out of fashion this year...

You wanna go beat them down?Go ahead. I would do if I happened to be in the neighborhood.But dont think you are really doing something right there...Thats all I m sayin.

[S.Artesian]

He is right that the vast, vast majority people in the US have an extreme hatred for nazism, though. The majority of people are much more anti-nazi than anti-communist.

Also, Attack is completely right in that there are virtually no neo-nazis in the US.

You ever been to Idaho? To the rural parts of Washington State.

Exactly what do you think the militias are hunting down immigrants in the US Southwest if not neo-nazis? How about we call them neo-fascists? Does that make it easier for you? Fine, neo-fascists.

Now do you really think there are virtually no neo-fascists in the US?

[S.Artesian]

From that delirium you just threw up over there I keep the fact that you do understand that nazis are getting bigger by causing trouble, yet you gonna give them the fuel to their fire.That's really smart.Well done.

What you dont see,is that ridiculus guys like them would NEVER,EVER EVER EVER become a serious movement, mostly because there is no political space for them free due to other reactionaries and secondly because the german 1930s uniforms are so out of fashion this year...

You wanna go beat them down?Go ahead. I would do if I happened to be in the neighborhood.But dont think you are really doing something right there...Thats all I m sayin.


Sure, whatever you say, because it's clear that even you don't know what you're saying.

[Delenda Carthago]

I mean, seriously. Check the average Europe nazi. Even the german ones. Would you think you would see them wearing the german military uniforms of WWII?And what would be the aftermath in a society that hates the nazis and their grandpas fought against them, to see some idiots(can I say idiot for the nazis?) wearing those uniforms?What are the chanses that people will say "Damn,that is so kewl.Lets all recruit to those museum nazis.They are the shit!".:laugh:CMOOOOOOOOON!

[Delenda Carthago]

Sure, whatever you say, because it's clear that even you don't know what you're saying.
Dude, you just said that Sarah Palin would create the US NSDAP. I dont think you are in a position to speak on who knows what its sayin or whatever,you dig?

[Delenda Carthago]

And I will say this too: the most close you have in the States that is to a serious neo nazi gang, is the national anarchists.These dudes are like what I have seen as the most close to nazis, specially the post-modern-autonomous-nationalist nazis.But other than Bay Area, I dont think they actually exist(if we can say that a group that got offended by Machete and threated to go on the cinemas with machetes actually "exist")anywhere else.

[S.Artesian]

No, I didn't say that. I said she's not a nazi [small "n", fascist] right now, because she doesn't have an independent political vehicle. Fascism is a social movement.

And as I pointed out, wearing the swastika is not the issue, and is not the emblem of US neo-fascism.

Hmmm... maybe I would call you the "I" word in a digital forum.

[S.Artesian]

So let's see if I got this straight:

nazis, neo-nazis, however you want to label it could never become a powerful dangerous movement in the US because... well because the US sacrificed so many and so much fighting the Nazis [big N] in WW 2.

Unlike Russia today where neo-nazis are a big problem because, obviously, the Russians sacrificed so much less than the US in WW2; the Russians obviously needed to sacrifice more?

OK it's official, I do think AttackGr is an idiot.

[The Man]

No.You dont.People in Russia have a nazi problem.People in Germany have a nazi problem.In Balkans. These are places where people are getting killed on a regural basis by neonazis for being migrants or even progressives.They take over whole neiborhoods over there. In Russia you have to have balls of steel to claim antifa.Ok?

http://64.19.142.10/www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/neonazi_march.jpg

This is what a nazi problem looks like

http://64.19.142.10/msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060225/060225_nazis_hmed_11a.grid-6x2.jpg

This is NOT what a nazi problem looks like.


Spot the diffrences.

I don't care where this Nazi problem is, and quite frankly I don't care that it is nearly dead in the United States. Were Anti-Nationalists aren't we? Screw borders and boundaries. I don't want to eradicate it from the U.S., I want to eradicate the head of Nazism from the WORLD. So I don't care if it's more popular in one area than another. It's still a problem on this planet. And we will continue to fight it.

[Stand Your Ground]

I don't care where this Nazi problem is, and quite frankly I don't care that it is nearly dead in the United States. Were Anti-Nationalists aren't we? Screw borders and boundaries. I don't want to eradicate it from the U.S., I want to eradicate the head of Nazism from the WORLD. So I don't care if it's more popular in one area than another. It's still a problem on this planet. And we will continue to fight it.
Well said. People need to stop arguing who has a 'bigger' problem. Small or large groups still need to be stopped.

[Delenda Carthago]

No, I didn't say that. I said she's not a nazi [small "n", fascist] right now, because she doesn't have an independent political vehicle. Fascism is a social movement.

And as I pointed out, wearing the swastika is not the issue, and is not the emblem of US neo-fascism.

Hmmm... maybe I would call you the "I" word in a digital forum.
No,actually it is. Puting the label "fascism" in everything on the far right spectrum is a.stupid because it shows zero analyse of a situation b. it makes real fascism dont sound that bad.

Far right conservatives/republicans/reactionaries are one thing, nazis are an other.

[Delenda Carthago]

So let's see if I got this straight:

nazis, neo-nazis, however you want to label it could never become a powerful dangerous movement in the US because... well because the US sacrificed so many and so much fighting the Nazis [big N] in WW 2.

Unlike Russia today where neo-nazis are a big problem because, obviously, the Russians sacrificed so much less than the US in WW2; the Russians obviously needed to sacrifice more?

OK it's official, I do think AttackGr is an idiot.
Actually thats what you are able to understand from what I said. The main reason is that there is no political space for them to move.

[Delenda Carthago]

Well said. People need to stop arguing who has a 'bigger' problem. Small or large groups still need to be stopped.
Thats the thing.Somehow I get to be blamed for saying that a country dont have a nazi problem.Like if you have a nazi problem is a type of honor or smth.

[S.Artesian]

Thats the thing.Somehow I get to be blamed for saying that a country dont have a nazi problem.Like if you have a nazi problem is a type of honor or smth.

Maybe that's because you wrote this that kicked off this shitstorm:


You americans should be more conserned about conservatives than nazis.You dont have nazis.At all.Quit fuckin around trying to fight some non existed enemies because you are not willing to fight the real ones.

You remember that?

[Delenda Carthago]

Yes I do.And I still support it. You dont have nazis(thats a great thing) and you(like the Left worldwide- with small exceptions like India) are trying to find a small incignificant fish because you cant fight the sharks.So?

[S.Artesian]

Well then, you have the answer to your previous question:


Thats the thing.Somehow I get to be blamed for saying that a country dont have a nazi problem.Like if you have a nazi problem is a type of honor or smth.

And the answer is not that we don't want to fight the sharks. If you know anything, which you do not, you would know that the very people in the forefront of the fight against neo-nazis are the same people leading the fight against tea-partiers, attacks on the working class, against the bourgeoisie as a class.

Given how little you understand of the history of the USA, as shown in your "assessment" of the KKK, I don't expect you to understand that either.

[The Man]

Yes I do.And I still support it. You dont have nazis(thats a great thing) and you(like the Left worldwide- with small exceptions like India) are trying to find a small incignificant fish because you cant fight the sharks.So?

You seem worried about your country's problems more than the worlds.

[Delenda Carthago]

You seem worried about your country's problems more than the worlds.
Actually, my country's problems are only gonna be solved if the world's problems are too.If there was another way, trust me, it would have happened. by now.But how is this connected with the conversation on US nazis?

[Delenda Carthago]

Well then, you have the answer to your previous question:



And the answer is not that we don't want to fight the sharks. If you know anything, which you do not, you would know that the very people in the forefront of the fight against neo-nazis are the same people leading the fight against tea-partiers, attacks on the working class, against the bourgeoisie as a class.

Given how little you understand of the history of the USA, as shown in your "assessment" of the KKK, I don't expect you to understand that either.

yeah yeah.the truth is,you do nothing.And thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.Face the fuckin facts. The working class worldwide is getting a huge attack and we cannot do nothing about it.We try to spark somethings that might look like reactions,but its only revolutionary masturbation when it all comes down to it.

That's what I m sayin. As long as we keep ourselves occupied with the small stuff, the unrelated stuff, we only gonna dust the bourgeois balls(Zizek short of speak).Get it now?

[The Man]

Actually, my country's problems are only gonna be solved if the world's problems are too.If there was another way, trust me, it would have happened. by now.But how is this connected with the conversation on US nazis?

Please look back to my previous post.

[Delenda Carthago]

The funny thing is that this nazi thing got to me cause I ve seen the revolutionaries in my country waste their time and energy for years on nazis, when there was no nazis actually! And matter of fact, if they got to get into the Athens city counsil, is 50% because of our stance, people got them as the anti-anarchists. How stupid of us can this be?

[NGNM85]

This is a waste of time and energy.

[The Man]

This is a waste of time and energy.

It's also pretty sad, to see a fellow Anarchist, telling us to stop worrying about Nazism in the U.S. I don't care if it is not a threat to the US, it is a threat to the world. I don't care about any countries from the United States to North Korea, I care about the world, and the people that live in it.

[NGNM85]

It's also pretty sad, to see a fellow Anarchist, telling us to stop worrying about Nazism in the U.S.

There's absolutely no reason why this should be a source of emotional distress.


I don't care if it is not a threat to the US, it is a threat to the world.

No, it isn't. Nuclear proliferation is a threat to the world. Anthropogenic climate change is a threat to the world. Neo-Nazism is not a threat to the world. It is just a marginal cult.


I don't care about any countries from the United States to North Korea, I care about the world, and the people that live in it.

Agreed.

[The Man]

There's absolutely no reason why this should be a source of emotional distress.



No, it isn't. Nuclear proliferation is a threat to the world. Anthropogenic climate change is a threat to the world. Neo-Nazism is not a threat to the world. It is just a marginal cult.



Agreed.

Oh I'm not criticizing you :lol:. But I'm not crying over it. Sad, as in the context: A 20 year old boy says "Teletubies is the best show ever" and then someone says "Dude, Thats sad"

[NGNM85]

Oh I'm not criticizing you :lol:. But I'm not crying over it. Sad, as in the context: A 20 year old boy says "Teletubies is the best show ever" and then someone says "Dude, Thats sad"

Exactly how big is the Neo-Nazi demographic, relative to the size of the population?

Do Neo-Nazis have any currency with the general public?

Do you expect to make Neo-Nazis abandon their philosphy, either through philosophical discussion, or intimidation?

I rest my case.

[The Man]

Exactly how big is the Neo-Nazi demographic, relative to the size of the population?

Do Neo-Nazis have any currency with the general public?

Do you expect to make Neo-Nazis abandon their philosphy, either through philosophical discussion, or intimidation?

I rest my case.

1. Not the big. But, historically movements have arisen from ideas that not many people follow. For example, the NSDAP wasn't that big in 1920, but eventually caught on and in 1933 Adolf Hitler took in power. Then it was a massive empire until the Mid-40s when it died off.

2. No, they don't. But things can change very fast in this world. That's the scary thing.

3. Absolutely not, they are extremely stubborn. I honestly have no idea what to do with them, except put some more Social Pressure on them, even though it seems like there is all of it on them. But yeah, I guess through intimidation, but that doesn't mean they are going to give up their philosophy.

[Tim Finnegan]

Oh I'm not criticizing you :lol:. But I'm not crying over it. Sad, as in the context: A 20 year old boy says "Teletubies is the best show ever" and then someone says "Dude, Thats sad"
Tellytubies is the best show ever. It's a post-scarcity collectivist society- how can you not love that? :lol:

[Martin Blank]

Is there a website with information about the counterprotest?

[Ele'ill]

You americans should be more conserned about conservatives than nazis.You dont have nazis.At all.Quit fuckin around trying to fight some non existed enemies because you are not willing to fight the real ones.

Actually we had an antifa organizer shot and left to die in the street by nazis here in Portland. But I think I understand your position.


Edit- and apparently after half a beer I start posting in threads from several pages back. Sorry.

[Rusty Shackleford]

AttackGr. we have a nazi problem waiting to happen.

already a lot of youth draw swastikas everywhere. a lot of soldiers have white naitonalist tattoos. and fuck, at my work place, a guy with a SS tattoo on his neck came in(i already have a defense plan at my work place incase fascists try to start shit, its almost that bad). in my city, and metropolitan area, there are numerous fascist organizations with unknown membership levels.

there was even a man who came in talking about how all democrats and half of the republicans are communists...

sure we dont have beheaddings in sub-arctic forests or firebombings, but the basis for it exist, and it must be fought.

[Delenda Carthago]

AttackGr. we have a nazi problem waiting to happen.

already a lot of youth draw swastikas everywhere. a lot of soldiers have white naitonalist tattoos. and fuck, at my work place, a guy with a SS tattoo on his neck came in(i already have a defense plan at my work place incase fascists try to start shit, its almost that bad). in my city, and metropolitan area, there are numerous fascist organizations with unknown membership levels.

there was even a man who came in talking about how all democrats and half of the republicans are communists...

sure we dont have beheaddings in sub-arctic forests or firebombings, but the basis for it exist, and it must be fought.
My dude, I already said what I had to say.If you think you have a nazi problem in the States, specially on the West,I dunno what to say. Maybe it is a problem.Or maybe a comrade from Russia or Italy, or Balkans or Germany can tell us his opinions.Even though the nazis in my country are like this.



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[Omsk]

Well,we in the Balkans have a big nazi and fascist problem,but the true problem are the local versions of ultra-right bastards - Ustase and Chetniks.
Ustase are extremely popular in Croatia,while the Chetniks are extremely popular in Serbia,which is catastrophic.And on top of all that,the Nazis are on the rise,everywhere...
And the crushing thing is,most of these delusional peoples grandfather fought in the fight for freedom,against the fascist invaders,and to think that their kids support the ideology that caused so much suffering especially here,is simply horrible.
For instance:while its horrible to be a 'commie' its perfectly normal to be a "Chetnik..Simply horrible things.
In a country that suffered so much during the great war,and a country that gave so much of its youth to the frontline meat-grinder Nazis,are actually popular amongst some of the youth.

You have a situation like this: The grandfather fought in WW2 and lost a leg from a wound caused by the Nazis,and his grandchild is sieg heiling and painting swastikas all over...

That is a direct product of the western involved break-up of Yugoslavia and civil society.As soon as YU fell apart,so much hate and anger emerged.

[redSHARP]

so...any ideas on if this rally is still happening? did the "Nazis" cancel it yet, which is a solid possibility.

[a rebel]

being a NJ native, I will tell you in a mostly black city like Trenton where they are having this, some Neo-Nazi asshole is probably going to get killed. I don't mean to promote violence, but more than likely it will happen

[The Man]

being a NJ native, I will tell you in a mostly black city like Trenton where they are having this, some Neo-Nazi asshole is probably going to get killed. I don't mean to promote violence, but more than likely it will happen

That's the scary thing.

[Pretty Flaco]

Somebody should convince those nazi skinheads to just stay home and watch the Khan McCloskey fight (and root for McCloskey of course! not that dirty muslim menace, right?)

[graymouser]

For folks watching: there will be a counter-protest. For security reasons I'm not going to be able to put the gathering place for the counter-demo on the site once I have it, but the nazi rally will be on the state house steps, so I would imagine comrades could head toward the state house.