John Birch Society: "US Socialists and Communists Exploiting Events in Egypt"

[Kassad]

I thought this was really funny. Here's a write up in the magazine of the John Birch Society about the protests in solidarity with the people of Egypt in the United States and the socialist role in organizing many of them. They mention the ANSWER Coalition, the Party for Socialism and Liberation and the Revolutionary Communist Party.

Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6159-us-socialists-and-communists-exploiting-events-in-egypt


In conjunction with ANSWER, demonstrations were also attended by the Party for Socialism and Liberation, a Trotskyite-Maoist political party that has come to replace the Communist Party USA as the most active communist party in the country and has even run candidates for local and statewide races in California, Ohio and New York.


In the United States, Bob Avakian’s Revolutionary Communist Party USA also called for action: “A challenge has been issued by the courageous youth of Egypt. Everyone who wants to see another way brought forward in this world of oppression is called upon to support them politically,” read the Revolution — the official publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party.

Good read.

[Nolan]

That's nowhere near as funny as this. (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/egypts_real_problem_decades_of.html)

[Proukunin]

That's nowhere near as funny as this. (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/egypts_real_problem_decades_of.html)

hahaha mubarak socialist dictator. I dont see the protesters as tea partiers.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

What about Glenn Beck's ravings? This stuff is dull compared to that.

Basically, the Tides Foundation, George Soros, the Communist parties of Europe and America, ACORN etc are conspiring with the Muslim Brotherhood to create a Caliphate as a precursor to global governance. Within this Caliphate, he includes much of Western Europe and even hindu and buddhist countries like India and Thailand.

He even went so far as to call the Shiite belief in the 12th imam "surprisingly like the anti-christ". Obviously, he fails to consider how two ancient abrahamic religions born in the same area might have a similar eschatology.

I'm not even making this stuff up, look at Media Matters for America, they have his videos from this week. He's either an opportunist toad or a paranoid delusional mormon who bought too heavily into old-fashioned anti-communism and millenarian religion.

FYI, if the communists of America wanted to troll glenn beck, they could so easily. For instance, you could tell him that the CPA has an old membership card with obama's name on it. He would probably believe it, then get discredited for falling for an obvious hoax.

[Kassad]

Glenn Beck makes it easy to troll him when he calls the PSL "the enemy within": http://www2.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=14917&news_iv_ctrl=1261

[Red Commissar]

The hypocrisy from the wingnuts becomes even more obvious when you read poorly thought out statements like those in the articles Kassad and Nolan posted.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Glenn Beck is just a secret socialist agent, sent to make critics of socialism look like maddened paranoids while increasing the profile of otherwise little-heard of socialist outfits to his largely lower-working class and rural audience. Brilliant. If only they had thought of this sooner (if i may unintentionally steal a joke from jon stewart about sarah palin)!

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201102010039

[sologdin]

hahaha mubarak socialist dictator.

no kidding, right?

given that mubarak undertook IMF restructuring in the '80s, the thesis that he is a socialist is not persuasive.

al-ahram weekly described the situation this way:



as Mubarak put it, they "not only aim to rid Egypt of socialist principles launched in the 1960s, but also seek to create a more favourable atmosphere for foreign investments." The chairman of parliament's Economic Affairs Committee, Mustafa El-Said, concurs that the suggested changes give a very positive message to investors that Egypt has become a full-fledged open market economy. El-Said indicated that "although the socialist policies of the 1960s were scrapped very early in the 1990s, they were not followed by a change in the constitution to reflect the government's official embrace of economic liberalism." Today, the time has come "to rid the constitution of these socialist foundations and make it more harmonious with the new market economy and liberal policies," he added.



my reading of egypt's economy puts its GDP at ~$470B US, whereas its state expenditures amount to ~$63B US (compared to the US--GDP ~$14.66T with public expenditure of ~$3.46T).

[Fulanito de Tal]

What about Glenn Beck's ravings? FYI, if the communists of America wanted to troll glenn beck, they could so easily. For instance, you could tell him that the CPA has an old membership card with obama's name on it. He would probably believe it, then get discredited for falling for an obvious hoax.

Yea right! Remember the Obama isn't American thing?

[Nolan]

FYI, if the communists of America wanted to troll glenn beck, they could so easily. For instance, you could tell him that the CPA has an old membership card with obama's name on it. He would probably believe it, then get discredited for falling for an obvious hoax.

I am serious as hell. Let's do this.

[CynicalIdealist]

I like the idea, but I don't want us to enflame any right-wingnut sentiment.

[Rusty Shackleford]

hahaha mubarak socialist dictator. I dont see the protesters as tea partiers.
wait till they find out that Mubaraks party was in the SI


also, i like how even birchers call the RCP "Bob Avakian's Revolutionary Communist Party"

[Dimentio]

Why not?

They want to be inflamed.

[RedSonRising]

The biggest obstacle to socialism in this country is the widely accepted Hayek economic perspective that if the State-known to be a separate institution to the economy and its capital-owning ruling class- interferes in the economy, it will create an abusive hierarchy controlling all aspects of life through economic means (as if capitalism didn't already do that in a slightly more decentralized fashion.) People need to understand the intimate dynamics of hierarchy within the current economy and how it uses the State as a tool of oppression. The answer to this illegitimate form of oppression is then made more obvious and accessible to working people. Otherwise, more and more articles using the word "authoritarian", "socialist", "statist", and "nationalization" in the same breath will perpetuate the associations between tyranny and revolutionary politics which serve as a barrier blocking leftists from capitalizing on material conditions.

[Robocommie]

Thankfully comrades, they have yet to figure out how thoroughly we have infiltrated the John Birch Society.

:cool:

[Rusty Shackleford]

at the same time though, there are thousands maybe tens of thousands who right now hold sympathetic views(pinkos :D) and have no idea about what to do or are made complacent by having no knowledge of orgs in the US.

then, all of a sudden, beck comes along, and for over a year, has catapulted communist and socialist organizations into the media spotlight. by name!

now, on the far right, there is active talk about organizations. im hoping for a sort of cultural osmosis. the names of the orgs will get into peoples minds. the knowledge of those fighting for an alternative. that they exist HERE in the US. not just the PSL or Answer.

The ISO, RCP, CP-USA(thought laughably ineffectual), SP-USA, WWP and so on.


seriously, almost any press is good press. obviously people will take some stuff at face value, some may question what the right says though. these names are being dropped by the far right, people know they are going to demonize their enemies. so, they may block what they say about us all as infact, lies(that we kill millions of people personally, that we hate jews, that we are akin to Nazism, that we are racist, and so on)

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I am serious as hell. Let's do this.

Would be one hell of a hoax. If you could forge a Communist party membership card with his name on it, they would fall for it. Did they have CP member cards during the 80s?

[Nolan]

I don't know what the Communist Party of Kenya's cards look like.

Or for that matter the Islamic-Marxist League of Indonesia.

[Rocky Rococo]

If I were to create a broad leftist media outlet, through it I'd like the public to hear a range of voices, perspectives, and guides to action./ I'd want people to hear from and about everyone from Frances Fox Piven to the PSL, from Saul Alinsky to "The Coming Insurrection"... and there's one voice in the media that has drawn the attention of a mainstream public to all of the above in the past couple of years. It's almost like the capitalists want to sell us the rope.

[Nolan]

If I were to create a broad leftist media outlet, through it I'd like the public to hear a range of voices, perspectives, and guides to action./ I'd want people to hear from and about everyone from Frances Fox Piven to the PSL, from Saul Alinsky to "The Coming Insurrection"... and there's one voice in the media that has drawn the attention of a mainstream public to all of the above in the past couple of years. It's almost like the capitalists want to sell us the rope.

And some M&Ms.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I don't know what the Communist Party of Kenya's cards look like.

Or for that matter the Islamic-Marxist League of Indonesia.
oooh glenn beck just talked about Islamic Socialism.

that would be PERFECT

[Savage]

That's nowhere near as funny as this. (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/egypts_real_problem_decades_of.html)
I couldn't bring myself to read this, whats their evidence that Egypt is socialist? They must have a public library somewhere in Cairo or something.

[NGNM85]

I'm just surprised the John Birch Society still exists.

[Wanted Man]

Glenn Beck isn't on the list, but this is pretty interesting: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/03/mubarak_american_allies/slideshow.html

[Property Is Robbery]

he Party for Socialism and Liberation, a Trotskyite-Maoist political party I really don't think they are trotskyist-maoist.

[Blackscare]

I really don't think they are trotskyist-maoist.

Seems that there's mostly M-L's and M-L-M's (maoists), as well as a significant minority of Trots. So while it doesn't encompass all of it's membership, there are certainly Maoists and Trots.

[Property Is Robbery]

Seems that there's mostly M-L's and M-L-M's (maoists), as well as a significant minority of Trots. So while it doesn't encompass all of it's membership, there are certainly Maoists and Trots.
I'm a candidate and I know that there are Maoists but I certainly wouldn't call the PSL anything but M-L.

[Blackscare]

It's generally a broad leninist organization, I don't hear that they specifically uphold one dogmatic version of Leninism, so I don't much think there's any point in using such labels anyway. I'm just pointing out the facts as they were described to me talking to a NYC outreach guy (who is a trot, it seems).

BTW, I'm going to my first branch meeting next friday, lal salam comrade :cool:

[Rusty Shackleford]

we dont really have a specific line beyond leninism.

historically we came out of trotskyism and split form the marcyist WWP. we still promote the works of Sam Marcy.

pretty much an almost all inclusive leninist organization.

FACTIONALISM IS FROWNED UPON though.

some branches are almost wholly maoist.

some not.

some people revisionist, some anti-revisionist.

the thing is though, the party is united by work. the goal is assisting the oppressed people of our society and building a revolutionary party to guide them to liberation. we dont have time for petty ideological squabbles. this is where Democratic Centralism comes to, which we adhere to.