"Superbugs"

[Broletariat]

How does revleft feel about bacteria that have grown resistant to anti-biotics? What should we do about them, how could we have avoided this situation if at all? Are they a threat and how much of one?

[The Vegan Marxist]

How does revleft feel about bacteria that have grown resistant to anti-biotics? What should we do about them, how could we have avoided this situation if at all? Are they a threat and how much of one?

Is there any info that supports the idea that this wasn't going to happen anyways? I mean, this is essentially evolution. It was going to happen either way. The only thing we can do is advance the medical industry and counteract against newly formed bacteria.

[Broletariat]

Is there any info that supports the idea that this wasn't going to happen anyways? I mean, this is essentially evolution. It was going to happen either way. The only thing we can do is advance the medical industry and counteract against newly formed bacteria.


Right this is what I imagined, I usually hear it implied that we were somehow responsible for anti-biotics and should have used them less or something.

How serious a threat are these types of bacteria and such though? Does it look like we'll be able to keep up with the evolution of bacteria?

[smk]

How does revleft feel about bacteria that have grown resistant to anti-biotics? What should we do about them, how could we have avoided this situation if at all? Are they a threat and how much of one?

As far as I know, these superbugs are not any more harmful to crops than the regular bugs they evolved from. This could have been avoided by just not using pesticides in the first place, which would have left a healthier plant and earth in the long run. This is only a problem because we are making it a problem, however, if we all go organic, the superbugs and our plants can just live in peace as nature intended.

EDIT: I thought you were talking about the bugs that eat our crops.

[Amphictyonis]

How does revleft feel about bacteria that have grown resistant to anti-biotics? What should we do about them, how could we have avoided this situation if at all? Are they a threat and how much of one?

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/food_safety/49083

[Hoplite]

How does revleft feel about bacteria that have grown resistant to anti-biotics? What should we do about them, how could we have avoided this situation if at all? Are they a threat and how much of one?
Antibiotic resistant bacteria are a major problem and they will continue to be a larger problem in the years to come. Part of why our lifespan has increased is because of our access to medicine that fights disease, once that medicine becomes less effective, our lives get shorter.

I think it's an issue that the medical community needs to spend time focusing seriously on. It hasn't been given the weight it needs I think because the medical community and pharmaceutical industry are very closely related. It sounds rather conspiracy theory, but we do have indications from the past that the pharmaceutical industry protects it's interests, even at the expense of their stated goals. I dont think it's some grand conspiracy to keep people sick in order to make money off them, but I wouldn't put it past the larger companies slipping a few bucks in someone's pocket to not talk as loud about new medicines not working the way they should.



Is there any info that supports the idea that this wasn't going to happen anyways? I mean, this is essentially evolution. It was going to happen either way. The only thing we can do is advance the medical industry and counteract against newly formed bacteria.
The problem is creating antibiotics is a very tricky thing. You need to have something that will destroy the organism you dont want but not (or only reparably) damage the host organism or it's systems. Such a targeted compound is difficult to design and the reason we have many of the antibiotics we do is because that particular combination of compounds is the only one we've found that actually works WITHOUT making us bleed from the eyes.

Re-inventing the wheel is an extremely difficult proposal; it's an efficient design that does what you need it to do very well and doesn't work well if created in another form other than round.

[t.shonku]

“Superbug” is an illegitimate child of corporate greed , in third world countries particularly like India, Medical profession and everything related to it is like a big business, in India patients are like Turkey of thanks giving (bcoz-the doctors take advantage of patients to satisfy their monetary greed) or are like Lab rats (the pharma company and docs experiment on patients new type of dangerous drugs ) , patients are unnecessarily subjected to tremendously high dosage of anti-biotics by doctors , the docs do this because they are in a nexus with pharma companies who are ready to pay handsome commission to the doctors for prescribing pills made by their company.
Now you see from where the superbug comes from , it is because of abuse of anti-biotics

[t.shonku]

AMRI,salt lake Complaints - My brother died due to poor condition of ICCU


AMRI,salt lake

Posted: 2009-10-20 by Shibani Bhattacharya


My brother died due to poor condition of ICCU
My only brother passed away on 09.09.2009.
My brother was admitted at AMRI salt lake on 21st of august,2009 with poly trauma due to road accident related injuries. Surgery for right femur fracture (Proximal Femur Nailing) was done as an emergency procedure. Post-op he was shifted to ICCU and his hemodynamic and biochemical parameters have gradually stabilised. He was getting better, gained back his consciousness and we were very much hopeful about his recovery. Suddenly he was diagnosed with jaundice but it was not the cause of his death. After two weeks in ICCU he was diagnosed with super bug MRSA (Methicillin resistant Strap aureus); Doctors were giving highly expensive antibiotics (40000 INR/day). We did everything to submit the hospital bills; we are now in debt. I still can not accept that he is gone. After paying so much of money for his treatment and care I feel that he did not get the best care. First of all AMRI ICCU is not in good condition. Beds are very close to each other, if one person has infection other can easily get that. Thy do not have strict regulation for visitors. visitors can go nearby to the patient without any apron or mask. Nurses are not careful changing their shoes when they are going outside. One day we say water is dripping from the ceiling.
The hygiene observed in this hospital was unbelievable. They call it as a super speciality hospital. Is that a standard for this well publicized hospital?
I am sure my brother got the infection due to poor hygiene condition of ICCU facilities at Salt lake AMRI. Whom should I complain?







To read the original article and verify it’s authenticity please Click below Link

http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/amrisalt-lake-c272237.html#comment

[Broletariat]

“Superbug” is an illegitimate child of corporate greed , in third world countries particularly like India, Medical profession and everything related to it is like a big business, in India patients are like Turkey of thanks giving (bcoz-the doctors take advantage of patients to satisfy their monetary greed) or are like Lab rats (the pharma company and docs experiment on patients new type of dangerous drugs ) , patients are unnecessarily subjected to tremendously high dosage of anti-biotics by doctors , the docs do this because they are in a nexus with pharma companies who are ready to pay handsome commission to the doctors for prescribing pills made by their company.
Now you see from where the superbug comes from , it is because of abuse of anti-biotics

I don't doubt there's Capitalist troubles behind it all, but wouldn't super bugs have evolved anyway like TVM pointed out?

[The Vegan Marxist]

I don't doubt there's Capitalist troubles behind it all, but wouldn't super bugs have evolved anyway like TVM pointed out?

The only way I can see these bacterial bugs not evolving is by us showing no harm. In which, more than likely, would've led to our own demise. The most logical approach was to defend ourselves. If they evolve some defense, then we counteract. Scientific advancements will indeed overcome these diseases, as long as there are no limitations holding back said scientific advancements.

[Broletariat]

The only way I can see these bacterial bugs not evolving is by us showing no harm. In which, more than likely, would've led to our own demise. The most logical approach was to defend ourselves. If they evolve some defense, then we counteract. Scientific advancements will indeed overcome these diseases, as long as there are no limitations holding back said scientific advancements.


So basically we're stuck with harmful bacteria until we stop existing on a biological level.

[The Vegan Marxist]

So basically we're stuck with harmful bacteria until we stop existing on a biological level.

More or less, it would seem that way. Though, I could be wrong. Best to further our studies on such first.

[t.shonku]

Well I too have heard from many futurist and scientists that if mankind wants to move forward then they will have to evolve into trans-biological (part living part machine) being , some even believe that it is an inevitable step in human evolution this is bcoz the viruses and bacteria in future will evolve to the extent that no anti-biotics or medicine will be of any use,besides the climate will also change so drastically that we human beings with our good old torso won't be able to cope up with it.So trans-biological is inevitable,any way I am cool with that after all what good is this body doing for us except living under threat from crook doctors and being vulnerable to germs.Some people also think that if there is an advanced civilization out there in the universe it probably would be trans-biological in nature.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Well I too have heard from many futurist and scientists that if mankind wants to move forward then they will have to evolve into trans-biological (part living part machine) being , some even believe that it is an inevitable step in human evolution this is bcoz the viruses and bacteria in future will evolve to the extent that no anti-biotics or medicine will be of any use,besides the climate will also change so drastically that we human beings with our good old torso won't be able to cope up with it.So trans-biological is inevitable,any way I am cool with that after all what good is this body doing for us except living under threat from crook doctors and being vulnerable to germs.Some people also think that if there is an advanced civilization out there in the universe it probably would be trans-biological in nature.

Even though that's pretty much a reality today, given to the fact that so many people today have lab-designed organs and body parts, whether they be mechanical and/or organic, I don't think that's necessarily a step in evolution. Certainly, it's an advancing step, but not necessarily an evolutionary stage.

[t.shonku]

Even though that's pretty much a reality today, given to the fact that so many people today have lab-designed organs and body parts, whether they be mechanical and/or organic, I don't think that's necessarily a step in evolution. Certainly, it's an advancing step, but not necessarily an evolutionary stage.






Well what you are saying is true, but by trans-biological level of existence I mean "way way advanced technology" than the current level, I am completely aware of what you are saying yes it's true that pacemakers have been with us for a long time now ,but what I am trying to say is way to advanced than that. By trans-biological I mean when we stop relying on anti-biotics, risky surgeries, a stage when we are victorious over cancer etc etc, I am talking about a time when there will be no more chemotherapy, I mean a time when we become so advanced in nano technology that nano-bots start taking over,I mean how about dumpling away this risky chemical pills and using nano-bots,I mean how about a time when our body no longer restricts us from achieving the impossible for example a synthetic skin that will help us tolerate high dose of lethal radiation,protect us from extreme heat and cold, protect us from toxins, and how about manufacturing this with nano-technology, I am talking of a time when if one kidney fails we pop a pill and another synthetic one grows in it's place by help of nano-bots, I am talking of a time when we can work at molecular level, I also remember once Dr Hawkins saying that "if there is advanced enough aliens out there they might even be able to manipulate their own DNA thus will be able to control their course of evolution and may even become immortal" could that be our eventual future?
I AM TALKING OF A TIME WHEN WE TRULY BECOME IMMORTAL AND WE DARE TO GO WHERE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE


“You may say
I am a dreamer………..” ------John Lennon “Imagine”

[Stand Your Ground]

One of the reasons this happens is due to the anti-biotics injected into the animals people kill & consume. The relatively small doses people take in from this are giving the bacteria it's time to build a better defense against such drugs.

http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060210p32.shtml



The overuse of antibiotics in farm animals has been related to a rise in antibiotic resistant bacteria, making it harder to fight diseases among both animals and humans alike.


http://www.eathumane.org/pages/3114_negative_impacts_of_factory_farming.cfm

[chegitz guevara]

Bacteria evolve very, very quickly. So they soon develop immunities to the drugs we throw at them. This might be a cause for concern, except for several things.

1. Just as quickly as they evolve an immunity they can lose it, if we stop using the specific drug they're immune to. Immunity has a cost, and if it's not necessary to pay it, they won't.

2. Bacteria are immune not because they ignore the drugs, but because they develop a way to metabolize them into something less harmful. That takes energy, which they can't use for growing and dividing. So they breed less quickly than non-immune bacteria, so over time, they will be crowded out.

3. It's harder to evolve immunity to multiple drugs at the same time, so antibiotic cocktails will help.

4. One of the big problems we have is because of capitalism. It takes about five years to develop a new antibiotic, but germs develop resistance in about two years. No big deal because we can develop multiple drugs at the same time, but it means that the capitalists only have a couple years to make a profit from the drugs, and they'd rather spend money developing drugs that we'll be taking for a long time.