EDL assembly plan for Luton

[Sasha]

the eastern bunny came early and left something on my doorstep:


EDL ASSEMBLY PLAN FOR LUTON

Your English Defence League support and Liaison team have been working tirelessly yet again to ensure the biggest demonstration in the history of the EDL is a successful and enjoyable day. Due to the amount of people travelling to this demonstration we have decided to release the demo details a few days earlier than normal to give you time to plan

All members arriving by coach are to leave the M1 at Junction 10. The coaches should head for the old Luton bus station if you use the postcode of the car park on midland road LU2 0HR the police will pick up all coaches on the way into Luton and will direct them to the bus station. It is important that you exit the M1 at J10 to ensure that you are picked up.

When you exit the car park on foot turn left going under the railway bridge and first left again into midland road. As you walk down midland road you will see the railway tavern on the corner further up Midland road is Charlie Browns nightclub. Or alternatively further up the road with the railway tavern on there is a bar called Déjà vu. These will be the 3 places used to muster. The roads around this area will be closed and the whole area will be our muster point.

All members arriving by train should come into Luton station and you will see the railway tavern opposite the station as you exit this will be one of the muster pubs.

All members arriving by car can park in the multi story car park on Midland road LU2 0HR once parked continue down Midland road to the muster point mentioned above

All pubs will stop serving alcohol at midday this is a blanket ban across Luton and includes off licenses and supermarkets. The pubs will remain open until 13.00 to allow you to finish your drinks.

At 13.00 Stewards will direct all members to the march start point on Midland road please listen to instructions given to you by the stewards to ensure the success of the demo.

We will then march approximately half a mile to St Georges Square in Luton town centre. Please remember when marching we are in no rush there is no point trying to push through the front line the stewards are there to help not take abuse.

We should arrive in the square for about 13.45 where the demo will last 1.5hrs we have some highly respected speakers talking at this demonstration please respect these speakers by staying silent when they are taking place.

When the demo has ended you will be marched back to your coaches, the train station and the car park. Any local members should board buses that will be put on by police to leave the town centre. It is expected that all coaches will be leaving the city by 16.00.

As always there will be a large steward team on duty please respect these stewards they are EDL members just like you. Anyone seen abusing stewards will be removed from the demo and banned from future demo’s

Above all the English Defence League will be attending Luton to hold a peaceful protest anyone causing trouble or making racist remarks will be removed from the demo and is likely to be arrested. Please forget the events of the past weeks and lets wake this country up to the Islamisation that is taking place to our great nation

No Surrender
EDL leadership & support team

[bricolage]

"Please forget the events of the past weeks"
What events are they referring to?

[Anarchist Skinhead]

probably string of disasters and infighting they suffered :)

[pastradamus]

probably string of disasters and infighting they suffered :)

Haha! Nice to hear! :D

[hatzel]

Just came up on the news, they're claiming they'll be 10.000 strong...

...really? That many? :rolleyes:

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Well, lets see... ;) I forgot how many they were getting for their "big one" in Bradford.. but it was around same number... when actually they got about 1000... so lets see how close they will get this time ;)

[Sasha]

Not to mention the "thousands" they where bringing to amsterdam :laugh:

[Lunatic Concept]

Kick there asses for me, peacefully if possible :thumbup1:

[brigadista]

the Eejits DL....

[123321]

Well, lets see... ;) I forgot how many they were getting for their "big one" in Bradford.. but it was around same number... when actually they got about 1000... so lets see how close they will get this time ;)
The turnout was more than 2000. I can't post links but there is a video on the BBC site of the Luton demo and the turnout seemed to be very large.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

well, its nowhere near to their promised 10 000 though :) Different websites talk about 1500-2000 of the fash. UAF predictably organised their thing about half a mile away ;)

[human strike]

I don't think you can question the determination of us guys who were in Park Square to break out through police lines though.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

are there any reports on this?

[Anarchist Skinhead]

I am not questioning determination of people trying to break through police line at all, I am questioning UAF decision to have demo half a mile away from the fash thats all.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/02/473413.html interesting report from indy

[bricolage]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/02/473413.html interesting report from indy
"The EDL are a distraction from the real challenges facing people"
... so much of a distraction that they take some time out to go and slash up coaches to try and get at them?

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Distractions sometimes have to be dealt with so they don't continue to distract ;)

[123321]

There seemed to be a very large turnout.

watch?v=f14Td65KugI&feature=player_embedded

[Fictional]

Not that large, around about 1,500 ish. There was much more anti-EDL support.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

123321 (http://www.revleft.org/vb/member.php?u=34698) you only wrote three posts here and two of them say how large the EDL turnout was... stinks a bit ;)

[hatzel]

123321 (http://www.revleft.org/vb/member.php?u=34698) you only wrote three posts here and two of them say how large the EDL turnout was... stinks a bit ;)

...and the third one is necroing a burka-related thread to suggest a bit of a...wait for it...revision of Islam. Revised Qur'an? I remember Paxman and ol' Tommy talking about that...

[123321]

...and the third one is necroing a burka-related thread to suggest a bit of a...wait for it...revision of Islam. Revised Qur'an? I remember Paxman and ol' Tommy talking about that...

What's wrong with suggesting that a Niqab ban is ok?

[123321]

123321 you only wrote three posts here and two of them say how large the EDL turnout was... stinks a bit ;)

I'm sympathic to the EDL because I am worried by the rise of fundamentalist Islam in Britain.

[123321]

Not that large, around about 1,500 ish. There was much more anti-EDL support.

Did you even watch the entire video? 1500? There seems to be around 3000 EDL.

There was no-more than 1000 anti-EDL protesting.

[123321]

How long will I be under moderation? I will keep my posts to this thread and to the restricted section of the forum only, from this point onwards.

Is the moderation of my posts really needed, if I keep my posts to the appropriate parts of the forum?

[Anarchist Skinhead]

looks like we spotted an EDL troll :)

[hatzel]

Good work, comrade! Now what should we do? Run around screaming as if Godzilla popped up on our doorstep, or would that be overly dramatic? :)

[Hit The North]

Good work, comrade! Now what should we do? Run around screaming as if Godzilla popped up on our doorstep, or would that be overly dramatic? :)

How about we construct an argument about how the so-called threat of Islam is wildly overblown for propaganda reasons and that it masks the real enemy which is global capitalism? An argument about how the EDL is deeply contradictory and provides no solutions for uniting the working class against capitalism, but instead plays into the hands of our enemies by deepening the divisions already disuniting us?

After that, if he's not converted to our cause, maybe we ban his ass?

[Anarchist Skinhead]

or perhaps we just shouldnt bother with debating with some half-brained excuse for a human? We should let him come here, always somebody to take the piss out of ;)

[hatzel]

How long will I be under moderation? I will keep my posts to this thread and to the restricted section of the forum only, from this point onwards.

Is the moderation of my posts really needed, if I keep my posts to the appropriate parts of the forum?

I can assure you that you will soon have no choice over where you do and do not post messages. As you admit to being 'sympathetic' to the EDL, you will be, at the very least, restricted, in which case you won't be able to post outside of the opposing ideologies forum. However, as you may have noticed, you're posting in the 'anti-fascism' thread, and we're talking about the EDL. This is because the EDL is a fascist-leaning group. Fascists are forbidden from posting anywhere on this site, even in the opposing ideologies section, as you may have already read. It's up to the mods to decide whether your self-confessed 'sympathy' for fascism is enough to warrant an instant and irreversible ban, or whether they will decide that you are little but a misguided individual who will be lucky enough to avoid the ban, and then discuss with us so that you won't be so misguided any more. However, history suggests that anybody expressing even the slightest sympathy for fascism, irrespective of their reasons, will be banned, so it's more than likely that you will be, too. After this, I suggest you go and hook up with your buddies over at Stormfront, if you don't already have an account there; they are far more receptive of fascism, racism and islamophobia than we are. Not least because white pride is their 'thing', and it most definitely is not ours :)

[Means to a end]

I was born in Luton. Been reading this forum for a long time, decided to sign up after Saturdays events.

Being bluntly honest, Saturday all considering went well, no riots, no Asian men on the rampage to give the media even more ammo to the media to make more negative reports about them and in turn drumming up even more EDL support and propaganda along with the PMs comments the day before. Hopefully the relations in Luton have not suffered much.

The EDL is a big worry for me, watching various videos and looking at pictures there was much more than the 1500 quoted by the police, ok not as many as the 10000 quoted by the EDL in the week leading up to the protest but still outnumbering the counter demonstrators. This for a group with no real leadership structure, no real motive other than racism and yet they still pull in 1000s of mainly naive young men, young men who still have a good 20 years plus left in them protesting at a street level if they choose and get even more brainwashed then their kids will etc. Saddening that many working class young people are sucked in by the false lulls of Nationalism and Fascism. I am no better than the next man and he is no better than me. Surley a simple logic.

Can a English based Antifa group match them for numbers on a street level in the current climate with how it is.

. I usually keep my views to myself in the outside world, a lot of my friends are patriotic, I have no issue with that (I for one support the England football team, it is as far as my patriotism goes) however the amount (or I should say, lack off) support to drive a EDL force out of our area falls on death ears. They rather support the system which leaves them just like it did their fathers at the bottom of the pile. The flag which they hold so highly, is the same flag that smothers them. To many people, speaking out against the EDL is speaking out against, patriotism which is likening to urinating on the Union Jack and Cross of St George.

Maybe at a next protest, even if it is a UAF member. Could waving just one Union Jack give a signal that this country and flag does not belong to them (the EDL) and the white people. It is all of ours. Fight them with their own weapons for example as a short term solution.

By the way watching the local ITV News the EDL are planning another protest here in the summer. I really hope if it does go ahead many more from the left, militant or not (I am far from militant) turn out. Saturday was a disappointing showing from the UAF and anyone else out to counter the EDL. For starters protesting the other side of the town centre and giving up St Georges Sq was a early signal that for the left Saturday would of been a failure.

[123321]

I do not support Fascism at all. I hate it. If I thought that the EDL were Fascist then I would not support them at all.

The EDL are not Fascist, Fascism is an authoritian ideology that the vast, vast majority or EDL supporters hate.

I just want to understand why the left in general do not realise the threat of Islam, but before I debate can I please be told by a mod if my moderation will be lifted, as I'm not a Fascist.

[Lord Testicles]

I just want to understand why the left in general do not realise the threat of Islam, but before I debate can I please be told by a mod if my moderation will be lifted, as I'm not a Fascist.

There is no threat from Islam, especially not in Britain. There is however a very real threat that groups like the EDL will divide the working class just as those in power begin to wage an extensive class war against us.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

For starters protesting the other side of the town centre and giving up St Georges Sq was a early signal that for the left Saturday would of been a failure.

Thats the UAF for you unfortunately..

[Lord Testicles]

Thats the UAF for you unfortunately..

Well, to be fair to the UAF there that push at the start, down St. George street towards St. George square, but some UAF steward began telling everyone that the EDL were attacking our square from a different location, sounded a bit suspect, but are you really going to risk it if they were attacking? Anyway it got most people to stop pushing through police lines and back to the square, were we found serenity, not an EDL bonehead in sight, in fact there were riot vans now blocking the other entrances, so unless the EDL was going to push over the police vans they weren't going to get anywhere near our small square, but like I said there wasn't any EDL in sight. My point is that the UAF steward had lied because either
1) She thought that punk band the UAF had booked to play was so good that it justified lying to us to get us back into the square to listen to them,
or
2) She was trying to help the police hold their line.

So yeah, yet again, good on the UAF membership, shame on the organisation.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

when will people in UK learn not to trust those fucking tossers? It seriously amazes me, with all evidence at hand , that UAF leadership and those that follow their line knowingly (for example stewards) keep getting away with that. Seriously, in any other country UAF steward tha handed comrade into hands of police in Manchester would be found and got his fucking head kicked in.
Good to know that some people tried at least and also good to know that despite all boasting EDL turnout was a wank again :)

[Lord Testicles]

w Seriously, in any other country UAF steward tha handed comrade into hands of police in Manchester would be found and got his fucking head kicked in.


And rightly so, I wasn't aware that the UAF had handed someone over to the police in Manchester as well, I only knew of the incident in Leeds. Does anyone know how often the UAF do the policing for the police?

[Means to a end]

I do not support Fascism at all. I hate it. If I thought that the EDL were Fascist then I would not support them at all.

The EDL are not Fascist, Fascism is an authoritian ideology that the vast, vast majority or EDL supporters hate.

I just want to understand why the left in general do not realise the threat of Islam, but before I debate can I please be told by a mod if my moderation will be lifted, as I'm not a Fascist.

Surpised you have not been binned yet.


Do not know why I am bothering but for what it is worth. Islam is no threat to any of us, I am not a Muslim, nor do I care that much for Islam and the teachings of the Koran. To me to put it bluntly it is a load of rubbish. No more or less rubbish than the Bible, Torah, Gura Nanka so and forth. You get the picture. I do not support people being forced to wear certain clothes, whom they get married to and what food they eat. But who am I to complain when people choose to do those things.

I be naive (unlike some on the left) to think that living in Luton the town does not have its problems. It does, in fact it has quiet a few. The EDL are making one worse, splitting up the working class into factions. Us and them while we should all be together (again some Muslims have to relise this as well)

I do think you yourself personal are not a fascist, just naive, angry or feel forgotten. However the EDL has many self confessed Nazis, BNP supports and Fasicsts within its ranks. It is worrying that many perfectly decent young men (I am saying this as a young man myself, I'm 24) decide to aline themselves with such a group without knowing much about it.

One thing I shall give to the EDL, you have grown very fast and quick. I myself thought you would of fizzled out by now. Been beaten black and blue and been chased out of towns, or if not that just grown bored. Maybe this is in part down to the utterly useless tools that make up the UAF.

The UAF numbers where poor to what they could of been, I myself did not see any charges during the day. For what it is worth the whole town was on lockdown, so even if you did break police lines, there would be another 3 lines behind it.

[Hit The North]

Funny how this thread has degenerated into another ritual moan-in about the UAF.

My question is this: if the UAF leadership and stewarding is so shit, why aren't they being pushed aside by the comrades in the AF or whatever?

If the anti-racist movement in the UK cannot turn up to oppose the EDL with greater numbers, and those who do are easily corralled by cowardly stewards, then the leadership of the UAF cannot be blamed. The fault must lie with the rank and file.

[Lord Testicles]

If the anti-racist movement in the UK cannot turn up to oppose the EDL with greater numbers, and those who do are easily corralled by cowardly stewards, then the leadership of the UAF cannot be blamed. The fault must lie with the rank and file.

In Luton the stewards lied to us so they could get us back into the square so we could all sit there and listen to the leadership drone on about inane crap and leave the police and subsequently the EDL alone. In Leeds I saw a UAF steward hand an anti-fascist over to the police and apparently the same thing has happened in Manchester. This behaviour of co-operating with the police to the detriment of your own comrades should get you a couple of slaps ideally, but luckily for the UAF the state of the left in Britain is tragic, so in a way we have to put up with them.
Sure the people who are pissed off at the UAF could organise something and go around giving the steward in question a hiding every time that something shameful like the above happens, but I at least realise that doing that would cause more harm than good, (Like handing comrades over to the police!) and refrain from doing it because I'm not a massive twat.

[hatzel]

I'm not a massive twat.

This is admirable :)

[Lord Testicles]

This is admirable :)

I try. :closedeyes:

[Hit The North]

but luckily for the UAF the state of the left in Britain is tragic, so in a way we have to put up with them.


See, all I get from this is that you feel there needs to be "a left" because you need someone to tell you what to do. So even if that "left" is in a tragic state, you'll still go along with it.


Sure the people who are pissed off at the UAF could organise something and go around giving the steward in question a hiding every time that something shameful like the above happens

If you were actually organised, you wouldn't have to give the stewards a hiding, you could just bypass them.

[Rottenfruit]

Not that large, around about 1,500 ish. There was much more anti-EDL support.
For a group like Edl 1500 is not a small number

[Means to a end]

What have the UAF achieved in regards to 'combating' (key word combat) the EDL then? All I have seen is the EDL grow bigger and bigger in that time. While you wheel out MP's to give them even more undeserved airtime, give some utter shite punk band a airing and flog a few newspapers which is a terrible rag on the whole. Along with you having and supporting grasses in your group, you are on a hiding to none.

Do not be fooled by the media and police reports. Looking through the local press and the pictures,there was I am afraid to say more than 1500 EDL. My guess is nearer double that(no where near the 7000 they wanted mind). Have to be realistic, 1500 is to many, but 3000 is a travesty.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Bob the Builder- its actually sometimes really hard to bypass people that actively sabotage your effort, without giving them a kicking which would have to happen right in front of the police and they know nobody is gonna do it. UAF is a fucking joke... but actually I wouldn't care if it would be just funny, but the fact that they actively colaborate with police and time and time again proved to be completely counter-productive in what they do and going as far as sabotaging what others are trying to do if it doesnt fit their "agenda" this is becoming really dangerous and has to be dealt with.

[Hit The North]

Bob the Builder- its actually sometimes really hard to bypass people that actively sabotage your effort, without giving them a kicking which would have to happen right in front of the police and they know nobody is gonna do it. UAF is a fucking joke...

Actually, I think its pretty disgusting that you would advocate violence against a fellow anti-racist. If only you could turn this rage on the EDL. But, wait, the stewards won't let you, will they? So if the UAF is a joke, what does that make you?

[brigadista]

was this all aggravated by Stop the War calling a solidarity with the Egypt protests on the same day?

[Lord Testicles]

See, all I get from this is that you feel there needs to be "a left" because you need someone to tell you what to do. So even if that "left" is in a tragic state, you'll still go along with it.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.


If you were actually organised, you wouldn't have to give the stewards a hiding, you could just bypass them.

I don't want to bypass anyone, I want to work with people in the UAF but sometimes they do things which piss me off, and I think I'm entitled to voice my annoyance.


Actually, I think its pretty disgusting that you would advocate violence against a fellow anti-racist.

Meh, snitches get stitches.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Ehhh... Bob, we were the people actually stopping ENA/EDL from marching through Brighton when UAF fucked off far away to their pen and it was our lot that was being battered by the pigs and blocking very succesfully march of fash (so they had to be redirected through side streets continuously and didnt manage to march anywhere through the center of town) so mind your neck in. You don't know me, you don't know what I do
And yes, I definitely wouldn't mind fucking grasses getting a kicking. Disgusting? Don't think so, Skinz summed it best- snitches get stitches. And people collaborating with the police and handing comrades into their hands are not my "fellow anti-racists".

[123321]

On Youtube, search up “edl french tv”

Watch the first vid that comes up in the results.

When you have watched all of the vid, ask yourself, would you want your area to be like that?

If you asked the average person in the street if they wanted their area to become like that, they would say no. This is one of the reasons so many people are joining the EDL. With the Muslim population gettting very large in the UK, many more areas in Britain are going to become like the area in the vid. It’s also interesting to point out that the mayor of Tower Hamlets (where the vid was filmed), is linked to, and supports, an extremist Islamist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, his adviser has also said in an interview that Christians should be driven out of the Middle East.

Have any of you seen the Channel 4 documentary “Undercover Mosque”? It exposed the hate being preached in Mosques in Britain. Or have any of you seen the BBC Panorama documentary that exposed the hate being taught in Islamic schools in Britain?

Islam is a religion that has trouble integrating with Britain, it’s also a violent religion that is transforming areas of Britain into Islamic areas. We have no-go areas popping up, areas that non-muslims cannot enter without fear of Muslim gangs attacking them, basically Britain is being Islamified, and all I see Liberals of Britain ignoring this.


Why is it that people can say whatever they want about other religions but when anyone criticises Islam there is an outrage and accusations of so-called Islamophobia?


I would like to point out that I can post links that back up my claims but the forum tells me that I have to make enough posts until I can post links.

[revolution inaction]

Actually, I think its pretty disgusting that you would advocate violence against a fellow anti-racist. If only you could turn this rage on the EDL. But, wait, the stewards won't let you, will they? So if the UAF is a joke, what does that make you?

when people sabotage action against racism they are not fellow anti racists, they are assisting the racists, and are effectively on the same side as them. Personal i find it disgusting that you would defend such people

[hatzel]

I find it pretty disgusting that everybody's calling each other disgusting...