LaRouche takes on the Austrians

[Salyut]

Oh my god this is hysterical. (http://www.larouchepac.com/node/16395.)
:laugh:

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Love this comment:


Oh god!!!
THIS FUCKING VIDEO!!! ARRGGGH, THE FUCKING RAGE!!!
I WANT TO MURDER HER!!
I WANT TO GET A METAL STOOL AND SMASH HER SKULL TILL SHE DIES AND THEN PEEL MY OWN SKIN OFF AND SHOVE IT UP MY OWN ARSE AND USE IT AS A SORT OF SKIN, ARSE TAIL AND THEN BREAK INTO A SUPERMARKET AND START THROWING AND SMASHING ALL THE JARS OF PICKLED ONIONS AND GETTING IT ALL IN MY RAW SKINLESS FLESH MAKING ME SCREAM SO LOUD IT BURSTS EVERYONES EARDRUMS.

[hatzel]

...perfectly rational response, if you ask me...

[Jimmie Higgins]

Oh, the video is gone now... anyone care to describe it?

[IcarusAngel]

Was that comment from an Austrian or a LaRouche fan?

I am literally terrified of both types. Probably in real life I would be more afraid of LaRouchites than Austrians, but Austrians probably are nuttier. Anybody can make up assumptions and draw their own conclusions from them.

[Red Commissar]

Oh, the video is gone now... anyone care to describe it?

Yeah... I didn't get to see it either.

[Nolan]

I bet it was quite a riot whatever it was.


I am literally terrified of both types.

That was my conclusion too.

http://www.newpeopleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/godzillavsgigan.jpg

[Salyut]

Basically it was a cultist calling Austrians idiots, Rand Paul has a Hitler mustache because he is a closet fascist, Road to Serfdom is stupid, Mises.org is a den of crazed fascists, Abraham Lincoln blah blah, praise be to LaRouche, etc.


Was that comment from an Austrian or a LaRouche fan?

Those are Austrians. I'm pretty sure a LaRouchite took the video down.

[Salyut]

Wait!

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/16395.

There we go. :cool:

more derp here (http://www.larouchepac.com/node/16441)

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Wait a second, this was serious!

:blink:

[Salyut]

Wait a second, this was serious!

:blink:

Very much so.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Wow that's just crazy, I thought that was satire.

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

WTF is a LaRoucheite?!

[Red Commissar]

WTF is a LaRoucheite?!

Someone from the planet LaRouchen

Also, having watched the clip now, it jsut seems they wanted to troll some of them to get hits on their site and elsewhere. Let those two nutjobs at it though.

[Jimmie Higgins]

WTF is a LaRoucheite?!I don't throw around "fascist" very often (like the LaRouche people do), but the LaRouche organizations are basically the proto-fascist faction of the Democratic party.:lol:

They are a activist group and "party" withing the Democrats around Lyndon LaRouche who was a marxist back in the day until he went off the rails and started organizing his group to physically attack other left-groups so they could force the left to "adopt" the hegemony of LaRouche. Belive it or not, then he got nuttier: thinking that England really controls the US and hates him personally and wants to discredit him.

The political groups he has set up are a combination of the worst organizational cultishness of the 1970s US Maoist movement combined with the politics of the Democratic party. Essentially, politically they are pro-imperialist anti-communist and Keynesian economics (kind of). They also glorify FDR and talk about government-run projects to make the economy stronger (I'd assume also grant reforms to most people like a better welfare state, but usually they seem to downplay that).

DO NOT TALK TO THEM IF YOU RUN INTO THEM. If you do talk, make sure you have an out and don't give them personal contact info! But if you do talk to them, you will probably talk for a minute on some issue and they sound like normal Keynesians or perhaps social-democrats. But once you scratch the surface, tons of strange cult-y things emerge:

1. They believe Jazz/Blues-based popular music is "too sensual" and is degenerate. They think that only classical European forms of music are valuable. They believe this to the extent that when they counter-protested a Ralph Nader event, they sang barbershop-type carols about supporting John Kerry and the Democratic party.

2. they focus more on attacking some outside "Enemy" than any real political agenda (probably more to create internal cohesion). So in 2000/2004 it was Nader who was part of a plot to destroy America by taking votes from the Democrats. During the anti-war movement they had Bush=Hitler signs. then during the tea-party protests the LaRouches joined these protests and were the FIRST group to popularize Obama=Hitler images. Now apparently, the Tea-Party is the new Hitler (probably after failing to recruit people in the Tea Party movements with their plans for a government-run world-wide rail system).

3. They are staunchly anti-communist to the extent that they call Vietnam a "great Patriotic War" that was just managed badly. They oppose the Iraq war because it's a plot by the British crown or something like that.:rolleyes:

4. they target college students and when they recruit them, they try and separate them from their families, get them to drop out of school, and they use intense social pressure (again some of the bad legacy of the US left from the 1970s) to promote conformity inside their group.

5. I can't confirm, but I've heard horror stories about weird sexual things in the group - like I think at one point, LaRouche went on a homophobic kick and made gay members leave the group or pretend to be straight (although I could be getting LaRouche mixed up with a different group).

6. There is an internet site all about claims of LaRouche's group forcing their members to cut ties with old friends and family who are not in the group.


- This is too much detail probably and 1/2 of the info is anecdotal but the rest is self-evident on their website and in publications. They are sort of a mini-obsession of mine in the same way other comrades are obsessed/disgusted by Ayn Randites or other right-wing political oddities.

[Nolan]

Aren't the LaRouchites at all the Tea Party events with signs comparing Obama to Hitler?

[Chimurenga.]

A+ trolling

[Jimmie Higgins]

Yeah shit, just look at this line from the written article about Rand Paul:


The United States had recently survived the rebellion of the slave-owners, rebels armed and instigated by the British.The Brits caused the civil war!:lol:

Then I was surfing their site and found this in a section of their website called "The Stop Green Fascism Campaign"


Part of mankind's war against the British Empire today is the fight against green fascism. Valid science today in the newly emerging field of cosmoclimatology exposes the climate change swindle to be a total fraud.So they deny climate change and also think that British Imperialism sets US policy!!!:blink:

[Iraultzaile Ezkerreko]

I have NEVER met or dealt with one of these people, and I actually used to be a big muckity-muck in the state Democratic Party.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Aren't the LaRouchites at all the Tea Party events with signs comparing Obama to Hitler?

yeah they have no coherent political outlook unless "crazy" is an ideology.

Here's their statement about Obama:


Throw This Sick Psycho Out Of Office While We Still Have A Nation To Defend!


It seems as if every moment of the passing day brings a new, added proof that the time is way past overdue for launching an acutely ill President Barack Obama out of office. It is to be doubted that we can wait as long as the post election moments of November 3rd or 4th, and still expect the very existence of our republic to remain intact.



At each turn, this sick-minded President perpetrates fresh evidence that his own plausible plea for avoiding a charge of virtual treason, is that the poor fellow's mental illness has overwhelmed him. Otherwise, all the evidence to date tends to identify him as a treasonous agent of the British empire bent on delivering the death of our United States to the damnable incumbent British monarchy - - or, call it "The Brutish Monarchy."



The debate is not really necessary. Throw him out, and be done with it; the principle and relevant evidence on behalf of the 25th Amendment will be sufficient. Just do it quickly, preferably before November 2nd.

Holyfuckingshit!


I have NEVER met or dealt with one of these people, and I actually used to be a big muckity-muck in the state Democratic Party.

Oh yeah, they are fringe and a cult, so they don't organize officially as part of the official Democratic party machine - I think they mostly just volunteer their services of intimidating left-of-Democrat 3rd parties on their own crazy initiative.

Also, I'm sure they are regional. They seem to have some regular presence in most major California cities and I've seen them in NYC and they are at most of the DC protests too (no matter if it's tea-party or anti-war).

[Nolan]

They're basically fiercely nationalist reformist democrats with a conspiracy complex the size of your average tea partier.

[The Man]

There were these LaRoucheite idiots in my town last year.. They had signs that said "IMPEACH OBAMA" "COLONIZE MARS" "NUKE THE OIL SPILL".

I pointed my finger and laughed at them. One of them gave me the finger.

It was funny. :D

[Salyut]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche_and_the_LaRouche_movement

This might help those unfamiliar with these guys. Bit of trivia:


AIDS became a key plank in LaRouche's platform.[79] His slogan was "Spread Panic, not AIDS!"[80] LaRouche's followers created "Prevent AIDS Now Initiative Committee" (PANIC), which sponsored California Proposition 64, the "LaRouche Initiative", in 1986. Mel Klenetsky, co-director of political operations for the Larouche-affiliated National Democratic Policy Committee and LaRouche's campaign director,[81][82] said that there must be universal testing and mandatory quarantining of HIV carriers. "Twenty to 30 million out of 100 million people in central Africa have AIDS," Klenetsky said. "It is spreading because of impoverished economic conditions, and that is a direct result of IMF policies that have destroyed people's means of resisting the disease." Klenetsky said that LaRouche believed that not only drug users and homosexuals are vulnerable to the disease.[83]
The measure was met with strong opposition and was defeated. A second AIDS initiative qualified for the ballot in 1988, but the measure failed by a larger margin. In response to a survey which predicted that 72% of voters would oppose the measure, a spokesman called the poll is "an obvious fraud", saying that pollsters deliberately worded questions to prejudice respondents against the initiative. He additionally said that the poll was part of a "big lie...witch hunt" orchestrated by Armand Hammer and Elizabeth Taylor.[84]
LaRouche purchased a national TV spot during his 1988 presidential campaign, in which he summarized his views and proposals with respect to the AIDS epidemic. He said most statements about how AIDS is spread were an "outright lie" and that talk of safe sex was just propaganda put out by the government to avoid spending the money required to address the crisis.[85]
LaRouche-affiliated candidates used AIDS as an issue as late as 1994.[86][87]
The LaRouche movement targeted schools where children with AIDS were attending. As early as 1985 NDPC members ran for local school boards on a platform of keeping infected students out of school.[88] In 1986 LaRouche supporters traveled from Seattle, Washington to Lebanon, Oregon to urge the school board there to reverse a policy that would allow children with AIDS to enroll.[89] In 1987 followers tried to organize a boycott of an elementary school in the Chicago neighborhood of Pilsen, sending a van with loudspeakers through the district.[90] They disrupted an informational meeting and according to press accounts told parents, "The blood of your own children will be on your hands if you allow this child with AIDS in your school," or shouted at opponents, "He has AIDS! He has AIDS!"[91]
Opponents characterized it as an anti-gay measure that would force HIV-positive individuals out of their jobs and into quarantine,[92] or create "concentration camps for AIDS patients."[93] According to newspaper reports, the LaRouche newspaper New Solidarity said the initiative was opposed by Communist gangs composed of the "lower sexual classes" and he warned of the recruitment of millions of Americans into the ranks of "AIDS-riddled homosexuality".[74]

[Dimentio]

Well, actually this is what happens when you give one individual absolute power in defining an ideology. It is also a sort of left-authoritarian version of the Austrians. So it's indeed Godzilla vs Mecha-Godzilla.

Their criticisms against the Austrians were pretty spot-on, but their own conclusions are equally crazy. Nevertheless, I think it's rather the package than the policy content which is turning people off from them.

I think that protectionism, technophilia, authoritarianism and American nationalism actually could be a very potent movement in the USA, as it would appeal both to right-wing nationalists, American "superpowerists" (I AM BIG) and the working class. The problem with the LaRoucheites is that they have a leader who is a turn-off for the electorate and who evidently is bad at organising.

LaRouche is a kid.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Steer clear of the LaRouchites, comrades. They are reputed to have the most formidable internet security, and can hack anyone's computer.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Steer clear of the LaRouchites, comrades. They are reputed to have the most formidable internet security, and can hack anyone's computer.Of course you'd say that, you're obviously part of the Imperial British plot against LaRouche.:lol:

[Dimentio]

Steer clear of the LaRouchites, comrades. They are reputed to have the most formidable internet security, and can hack anyone's computer.

Now, that is silly.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

D:


Now, that is silly.

You won't be saying that when they plant incriminating 'evidence' on your computer.

[Dimentio]

D:



You won't be saying that when they plant incriminating 'evidence' on your computer.

Didn't mean you, mean'd them,

[Salyut]

Steer clear of the LaRouchites, comrades. They are reputed to have the most formidable internet security, and can hack anyone's computer.

Can't touch me. I got Norton. B)

[RED DAVE]

Accustomed though I am to blaming Maoists for all the ills of the universe, LaRouche actually came out of the Trotskyist movement. I used to run into him at various meetings. He could sound very rational, but, then, it's like a little switch would be flipped and so would he.

RED DAVE

[Palingenisis]

Accustomed though I am to blaming Maoists for all the ills of the universe, LaRouche actually came out of the Trotskyist movement. I used to run into him at various meetings. He could sound very rational, but, then, it's like a little switch would be flipped and so would he.

RED DAVE

The step from Trotskyitism to fascism is very small. Evil Maoists who have made a huge difference in millions of peoples lives....Bad Maoists for being serious about changing reality and serving the people.

[Red Commissar]

What's with LaRouche's fixation on railroads and trains by the way?

[Tommy4ever]

The step from Trotskyitism to fascism is very small.

:laugh:

Idiot.

[Palingenisis]

:laugh:

Idiot.

Really? Consider the class composition of the Trotskyite movement and the historic role of Trotskyitism.

[Crux]

So Palingenisis is implying she is an ex-trot. Interesting. I'd recommend putting her on Ignore.

Anyway, don't the LaRouchite actually have someone elected in the U.S, on the Democratic ticket? I distinctly remember hearing something about that.

Oh and also the Schiller Institute is a LaRouche front. Could be good to know if you ever run into them.

[Crux]

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17292
Possibly made up by the LaRouchites, but...Sinn Fein <3's LaRouche?

[graymouser]

The step from Trotskyitism to fascism is very small.
If you mean LaRouche's total abandonment of Marxism and adoption of thuggish tactics after he left the Spartacists, I wouldn't say that is exactly a tiny step. LaRouche was a crank when he was in the SWP; he was infamous for writing lengthy, rambling pieces for the internal discussion bulletins that most party members safely ignored. It turned out that crypto-fascism and conspiracy mongering was a more fertile ground than Trotskyism for his insane ranting. But, you know, let's not base ourselves on facts or anything like that.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

During the 2004 democratic campaign, the black caucus held a debate. It seems a LaRouchie heckled the candidate on stage, and Rev Al Sharpton made some snap back about how the LaRouchists always wait for the African-American hosted debates to waste everyone's time heckling the candidates.

Anyways, la rouchies are like moonies, scientologists, cultural revolutionists and evangelical millenarian types all have one thing in common-an excessive admiration of the cult of leader.

[Salyut]

Accustomed though I am to blaming Maoists for all the ills of the universe, LaRouche actually came out of the Trotskyist movement. I used to run into him at various meetings. He could sound very rational, but, then, it's like a little switch would be flipped and so would he.

RED DAVE

I don't suppose you have any hilarious stories about him?

[Nolan]

He could sound very rational, but, then, it's like a little switch would be flipped and so would he.

Explain what you mean by "rational."

[Amphictyonis]

WTF is a LaRoucheite?!

L Ron Hubbard meets Bob Avakian meets Jim Jones meets Ross Perot's love child?

[RED DAVE]

What's with LaRouche's fixation on railroads and trains by the way?He didn't get the Lionel set he wanted for Xmas as a wee child.

RED DAVE

[Rottenfruit]

They are a odd bunch, they really hate british peple and i mean they do hate Brits, Babbling nonsense about how The united kingdom is trying to put the Usa back under monarchy under it´s control and They also belief the british created Hitler and third reich as an part of some world wide conspiracy for britsh domination of the world
Who can belief such crap :confused:

They are also the jackasses who went with the signs where they had painted a hitler mustache on Obama

[Princess Luna]

wow , you can't make this shit up :laugh:
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/13976 <-- see here for how Facebook can give you a STD
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/14157 <-- see here for how the queen of England is a drug dealer and if you don't believe it your worse then a Nazi!
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/5730 <-- See here for how NASA is sending evil British propaganda into space.
also i just checked and for some reason Larouche has a huge following on Stormfront , go figure :confused:

[Dimentio]

LaRouche had read too much on Hitler and wanted to emulate. But instead of hating Jews, he decided to focus the hatred on Britain.

Apart from that idiocy, the movement could have become large.

American Nationalism + Left-centrist Populism = Potent poison.

[28350]

http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/

Whenever the LaRouchites table in my neighborhood, I always distribute a bunch of these flyers (http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/flyer.pdf)

[Kiev Communard]

Regrettably, the Ukrainian political party that is most close to LaRouche "movement" styles itself as "Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine". It is led by Natalia Vitrenko, who resembles some pseudo-Stalinist (actually social-democratic-cum-Russian chauvinist) version of Ayn Rand :D.

[Dimentio]

Regrettably, the Ukrainian political party that is most close to LaRouche "movement" styles itself as "Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine". It is led by Natalia Vitrenko, who resembles some pseudo-Stalinist (actually social-democratic-cum-Russian chauvinist) version of Ayn Rand :D.

Doesn't Vitrenko have like 6% of the people behind her?

[Kiev Communard]

Doesn't Vitrenko have like 6% of the people behind her?

No, that was back in 1998, when its party was rather influential among the lumpenised elements. Nowadays its supporters' numbers do not exceed 1,5% of the voters at best.

[Rottenfruit]

No, that was back in 1998, when its party was rather influential among the lumpenised elements. Nowadays its supporters' numbers do not exceed 1,5% of the voters at best.

Did you know that the british secret intelligence agency´s are planning to kill Obama? http://demcad.blogspot.com/2010/04/larouche-british-may-assassinate-obama.html


Did you know that it was the british goverment was behind carried out 911?

http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2007/webcasts/3441oct10_opener.html

Larouche Himself giving hard facts about the british people,
They are a parasitic nation essentially. They suck the blood of the rest of the world.

The British EMPIRE of evil was also behind the confederacy


Larouche himself giving histroical fact´s about Hitler

"The first, and most important fact to be recognized concerning the Hitler regime, is that Adolf Hitler was put into power in Germany on orders from London. The documentation of this matter is abundant and conclusive

Indeed Adolf Hitler was a puppet for the british empire :laugh:

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Cult.TheBritish hilarious qoutes from larouche


"No matter how much this report offends deeply entrenched delusions, Nazism was not a German creation. It was a creation of the same factional forces within the Allied Powers of Versailles who dictated the war-reparations stipulations, who directly placed top British agent and later Admiral Wilhelm Canaris in charge of the Marine Transport unit, and who later backed Hjalmar Schacht in forcing Germany to accept Hitler's appointment to the Chancellory."http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/images/NS120878_queendopeinc.jpg

The Plot Thickens , THE BRITS WERE BEHIND THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING!

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/images/BritTerror.jpg Even the nazis are sane compared to this

[Dimentio]

Yes, and they were behind the formation of the Soviet Union too.

[Thug Lessons]

LaRouche vs. The Austrians, directed by Jerry Bruckheimer. Tagline: "Whoever wins... we lose"