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The Vegan Marxist
31st January 2011, 06:54
This article is coming from an anti-communist website, so definitely don't take this at face-value, but what's the background behind this story? I never even heard about this incident.

Communists Plant Bomb at World Economic Forum
by Christian Gomez
January 28, 2011

Self-identified communist activists have claimed responsibility for a bomb explosion at 9:00 a.m. Thursday which caused only minor damage at the four-star Morosani Posthotel in Davos, Switzerland, a few hundred yards from where company heads, central bankers, and politicians are meeting at the World Economic Forum.

Local Graubünden police spokesman Thomas Hobi confirmed that there had been a “little detonation” in the basement of the luxury hotel. The blast he said, shattered some glass windows but no injuries were reported.

Police were present at the hotel at the time of the explosion following a tip from the newspaper 20 Minuten, which had discovered a warning that there would be an attack there at 6:00 a.m. The warning was in the form of a posting on an activist website in which a group identifying itself as "Revolutionary Perspective" claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it had targeted the Posthotel because Swiss ministers and representatives of top bank UBS were staying there. Actually, contrary to earlier reports, members of the Swiss federal government were not staying at the hotel. "The security of the Federal Council was not questioned at any time," Federal Council Chancellor Thomas Abhegglen told reporters.

The Revolutionary Perspective's Internet posting also warned of a second bomb at another location. Swiss law enforcement agents later recovered a suspicious object in the town St. Gallen, 50 miles north of Davos.
The Morosani Posthotel bombing came days after the fatal suicide-bombing at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport, in which at least 35 people were killed and more than 100 injured.

The explosion in Switzerland, the first sign of any trouble at this year's World Economic Forum, failed to affect the main program, at which the attendees were addressed by former U.S. President Bill Clinton, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, and French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

In past years the World Economic Forum has usually attracted various left-wing activists such as Trotskyites, Maoists, protesters with posters of Vladimir Lenin and Fidel Castro, and others in Che Guevera-style attire and beards. In 2000, activists sang the communist anthem, the Internationale, with many others shouting “We’ll be back!”

These activists want the world to know that they will not be satisfied until their goals for a one-world communist state come to fruition, in which they seek to replace the profit motives of the past with a system of “social justice” — a common euphemism for socialism.

Police have yet to identify any individual suspects. Swiss federal law enforcement authorities have taken charge of the investigation.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/europe-mainmenu-35/6092-communists-plant-bomb-at-world-economic-forum

Red Commissar
31st January 2011, 06:58
Reuters has an article on it to, I think with less hysteria (comparing this to the Moscow airport bombing? Seriously?)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/28/idINIndia-54468220110128



By Emma Thomasson
DAVOS, Switzerland | Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:28pm EST
(Reuters) - Left-wing activists claimed responsibility for a small explosion on Thursday that broke windows at a hotel in Davos, close to where top executives and world leaders were meeting, but nobody was hurt.

Devin Wenig, CEO of Thomson Reuters' Markets division, was in a breakfast meeting of senior executives at the hotel when the explosion happened shortly after 9 a.m. (0800 GMT).

"A huge boom went off. The whole ceiling lifted. Everyone was convinced it was a bomb," he said, adding participants were told that a boiler had exploded. "It took a half hour to reassemble the meeting."

The main programme at the World Economic Forum meeting, addressed by French President Nicholas Sarkozy and former U.S. President Bill Clinton on Thursday, was not affected.

"A small explosion took place in the basement," Swiss prosecutors said in a statement. "Nobody was injured. At no time were the hotel's guests in any danger. The blast did, however, cause some minor damage, including a few broken windows."

A forensic team examined the scene, but prosecutors said they could give no details about the cause of the explosion or its perpetrators and had launched an investigation.

A group calling itself Revolutionary Perspective said in a statement on an activist website it had targeted the luxury Posthotel with a firebomb and said Swiss ministers and representatives of top bank UBS were staying there.

"Our fight against the dictatorship of capital is focused on the social alternative to capitalism: communism," the group said in the statement.

A spokesman for the World Economic Forum (WEF) said police had made two bomb sweeps of the hotel after an online threat.

A few posters criticising the WEF as a club for the rich were stuck up near the main Davos hotels, one reading: "WEF: committed to improving the state of the FEW," a play on the WEF's slogan: "Committed to improving the state of the world".

A protest against the WEF organised by the local Green Party and Social Democrats is due to take place on Saturday.

A spokesman for local police said they had searched the hotel thoroughly but saw no need to increase security because it was already sufficient.

Swiss airspace is closed over Davos and police from all over Switzerland as well as Germany and Liechtenstein are reinforcing the regional force as well as up to 5,000 Swiss soldiers.

The luxury Posthotel is in the heart of Davos village, a few hundred metres (yards) from the WEF congress centre where hundreds of company heads, bankers and politicians are meeting.

On Wednesday, Swiss police evacuated a building and removed a suspicious object in the town St. Gallen, 80 km north of Davos, after a threat from the same group, saying they wanted to target the opening of the WEF meeting.

(Additional reporting by Silke Koltrowitz; editing by Philippa Fletcher)

red cat
31st January 2011, 07:09
Great news ! Comrades living in capitalist countries should go for more coordinated armed actions.

Rusty Shackleford
31st January 2011, 07:17
Great news ! Comrades living in capitalist countries should go for more coordinated armed actions.
build a movement before you try to build an army.


i have no condemnation for this action, but i do not believe it is something that is wise for the left in the west to engage in when the struggles are just beginning to form.

ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo
31st January 2011, 07:55
Hey guys bombs are great and stuff but if you're not careful it will backfire...

red cat
31st January 2011, 08:41
build a movement before you try to build an army.


Sometimes movements and armies must be built simultaneously. Sometimes armed actions initiate mass movements. No specific reason to think that the armed actions must follow some kind of peaceful movement.

NGNM85
31st January 2011, 08:51
Marvelous, I'm sure the WEF will be much more amenable to new ideas, now.

bcbm
31st January 2011, 09:02
Marvelous, I'm sure the WEF will be much more amenable to new ideas, now.

what new ideas do we have for "company heads, central bankers, and politicians" besides "fuck off?"

Hoplite
31st January 2011, 09:06
The article appears to be mis-informed.

The Revolutionary Perspective group is apparently in-active and there seems to be some question as to if there ever was a group truly called the Revolutionary Perspective.

There is a group called For A Revolutionary Perspective. This group IS based in Switzerland however they appear to be a fairly inactive and non-threatening group.

(Info for both groups can be found via Google, I cant post links yet)

Either way, the article seems to be lacking in any real information.

If this was truly the responsibility of a Communist individual or group, I wish they'd understand that terrorism is directly contrary to their goals and will actually hurt their cause before it will help it.

Rusty Shackleford
31st January 2011, 09:29
Sometimes movements and armies must be built simultaneously. Sometimes armed actions initiate mass movements. No specific reason to think that the armed actions must follow some kind of peaceful movement.
focoism doesnt work in industrialized nations.

RAF, Weathermen and SLA failed.

Martin Blank
31st January 2011, 09:44
I smell bacon.

ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo
31st January 2011, 10:18
I smell bacon.

You think its government agitators?

AmericanSocialist
31st January 2011, 12:28
Redcat my friend please becareful with what you say on the internet. Things like this are monitored and that is no joke. I just dont want people investigating you over a post.

On another note thats an interesting article

Jimmie Higgins
31st January 2011, 13:14
Sometimes movements and armies must be built simultaneously. Sometimes armed actions initiate mass movements. No specific reason to think that the armed actions must follow some kind of peaceful movement.No, but does this organize anyone? How do things like this at this stage help build working class consciousness or self-leadership or independence?

Fascists or liberals can bomb something - would that equally cause workers to suddenly create a socialist movement where one didn't really exist?

PhoenixAsh
31st January 2011, 14:15
Wow....what an incredibly ignorant and stupidly senseless act of non coordinated violence. Increadibly damaging to the revolutionary movements and groups everywhere.

Geiseric
31st January 2011, 16:20
Fucking dumb, this has no point ans they're pulling an R.A.F. Here. We know how that ended, a buncha smart, dedciated revolutionaries dead. Fight with, not for the working class.

I mean how many working class people died in these? ior how many middle class people. This has no point, just wanton destruction.

Crux
31st January 2011, 17:50
If this isn't a false flag operation it might as well have been.

scarletghoul
31st January 2011, 18:34
Whether or not this was a good move (aside from mass support the correctness of these actions should also be measured by economic damage, the reaction of the state etc etc.. I dont think it was a great idea, but people should certainly take more things into account than many posters in this thread have done), it is a sign of growing unrest in Switzerland and of course Europe in general. Its wrong to dismiss this as some crazy exception, especially given the recent left-wing bomb attacks in other European countries. Anyone following the news can see that the European Left is rejuvenating. Incidents like this, even if tactically incorrect, are a violent confirmation of that.

scarletghoul
31st January 2011, 18:46
focoism doesnt work in industrialized nations.

RAF, Weathermen and SLA failed.
Focoism doesn't work. Anywhere.

However a correctly timed and carried out guerilla campaign can certainly be successful in industrialised countries. (mass support being the main condition. the british admit they could probably never defeat the IRA.)

In short, the success of a guerilla campaign depends on the support of the people. Terrain is nowhere near as important.

(Switzerland obviously is lacking the necessary support)

Robocommie
31st January 2011, 18:59
You think its government agitators?

I think more to the point, people should not be so quick to flap their jaws on this site. Because bacon.

Rooster
31st January 2011, 19:04
I can't find any decent information about this group anywhere.

I found a supposed communique from an incident in 2001 from a group with a similar sounding name:

http://www.ngy1.1st.ne.jp/~ieg/icrm/2001/01/01n969.htm (http://www.ngy1.1st.ne.jp/%7Eieg/icrm/2001/01/01n969.htm)

Oh right, it's just one person's internet name:


Shortly beforehand, someone with the online tag of “Revolutionary Perspective” claimed responsibility on an Italian activist Web site. A post with a local time stamp of 7:28 a.m. read: “We have attacked the Hotels Morosani with pyrotechnics and sugar.”

source: http://signalfire.org/?p=6902

Widerstand
31st January 2011, 19:07
focoism doesnt work in industrialized nations.

RAF, Weathermen and SLA failed.

The RAF wasn't the end of clandestine militant, armed or full-blown Guerrilla groups in Germany though. There still are operational groups carrying out Arsons and other forms of property destruction (though a great number also disband). To say "it failed" doesn't help anymore then to note that the USSR failed and to write off communism based on that.

red cat
31st January 2011, 19:16
focoism doesnt work in industrialized nations.

RAF, Weathermen and SLA failed.

Focoism does not work because it completely ignores mass work. If such an action fails to create mass movements then revolutionaries should take care to build it separately.

Widerstand
31st January 2011, 19:27
Focoism does not work because it completely ignores mass work. If such an action fails to create mass movements then revolutionaries should take care to build it separately.

Well there needs to be some connection between the Guerrilla and the movement or populace at large, which could be done by militant parts of the movement, or of a political group (party or similar).

Delenda Carthago
31st January 2011, 19:58
I smell bacon.
Maybe you should take a bath then...

Red Commissar
31st January 2011, 20:17
http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CP6f1Le3sKKfoQEQ2AUYTzIIeC7lTVCmhGM

Got that as an advert :D

Martin Blank
31st January 2011, 23:13
Maybe you should take a bath then...

Your response is noted.

Martin Blank
31st January 2011, 23:17
You think its government agitators?

Always be wary of the "activists" who can get their hands on high explosives.

Oh, and be doubly wary of the little kids who fap when things go boom. They're usually too stupid to know which side of the door they're on.

Rafiq
31st January 2011, 23:18
build a movement before you try to build an army.


i have no condemnation for this action, but i do not believe it is something that is wise for the left in the west to engage in when the struggles are just beginning to form.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOH.

This is what communists should be known as, anti rich militants

Not fur hat wearing AK47 carrying policegaurds with Russian accents.

red cat
31st January 2011, 23:26
Well there needs to be some connection between the Guerrilla and the movement or populace at large, which could be done by militant parts of the movement, or of a political group (party or similar).

Agreed. The point is that communists should not stick to any rigid method of starting peaceful mass movements before armed actions or vice versa. Both are necessary and cannot proceed after a certain level without the other. How and when each one will be started will be determined by the surrounding conditions.

MarxistMan
1st February 2011, 08:16
Indeed, paradise exists under the shadows of the swords. symbols and traits of a noble warrior and soul

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build a movement before you try to build an army.


i have no condemnation for this action, but i do not believe it is something that is wise for the left in the west to engage in when the struggles are just beginning to form.

human strike
1st February 2011, 12:31
Is there actually any evidence this wasn't simply an exploding air conditioning unit? That's what I heard it was minutes after it happened. It all smells very fishy to me.

bailey_187
1st February 2011, 15:14
maybe i missed it, but this aint been on channel 4 news or BBC news at all has it? why?

PhoenixAsh
2nd February 2011, 05:42
maybe i missed it, but this aint been on channel 4 news or BBC news at all has it? why?


Well...my main guess is that either nobody died or there was not enough damage to up viewerratings....;)

either way...the bombing was horribly ineffective from a revolutionary viewpoint. Because:

1). Nobody died so basically you didn't rob capitalism from some of its leaders
2). There wasn't enough damage to actually make a difference and the event still goes on

Rusty Shackleford
2nd February 2011, 05:59
BOOOOOOOOOOOOH.

This is what communists should be known as, anti rich militants

Not fur hat wearing AK47 carrying policegaurds with Russian accents.
what?:confused:

thesadmafioso
2nd February 2011, 18:24
This sort of action is just absolutely useless, the circumstances under which this bombing was conducted were not in any way open to this. Leftist ideology is not going to be spread through senseless bombings like the one being discussed here, it is this sort of action that subdues the actual discussion of ideology and policy. We have all of the right arguments and facts on our side, we do not need to engage in such murderous and aimless action to prove anything. This action will simply bring more vile associations to the term communism, and it will drive the conversation towards a discussion of political violence as opposed to the issues which are at hand. Honestly, movements like this need to realize that the societal conditions of the west are not open to these means anymore, and they are far more harmful than they are helpful. I find this group to be a complete embarrassment to the modern left, and I am throughly angered by their blatant abuse of the term communism.

Proukunin
2nd February 2011, 18:31
hopefully this doesnt end up like the RAF.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
2nd February 2011, 18:49
Setting off fireworks at a economics conference never created social justice. If you're looking for anti-authoritarian activism, go rob a bank that got bailed out by the government and give the money to the poor, at least you're less likely to hurt someone totally unrelated to your "mission". If you want to build something more positive, go to the world social forum and recommend paths to make communism workable and efficient for workers. But I dont see how this helps anyone except the counter-revs.

Stranger Than Paradise
2nd February 2011, 18:54
Great news ! Comrades living in capitalist countries should go for more coordinated armed actions.

There's nothing to gain from co-ordinated armed actions by a few communists. I don't accept that acts of violence can predate a real workers struggle to the effect of building such a struggle.

The Red Next Door
2nd February 2011, 18:56
thanks, for making my organizing job harder, you RAF wanna be's.

Widerstand
3rd February 2011, 01:01
All these attacks against the RAF are completely ridiculous. The RAF was rooted in a widespread leftist movement and had some popular support (at least early on). That the RAF failed can be partially blamed on the turns the organisations took (lots and lots of mistake), but it also must be looked at in front of it's background, which was a large leftist, rapidly radicalizing movement in the late 60s and 70s, which began to decline until it got a bit of upwind from the Autonomist movement of the 80/90s, but ultimately died and reduced itself to irrelevance. simply saying "the RAF sucked" is a poor excuse for analysis.

sorry for the OT rant.

Sasha
3rd February 2011, 01:11
All these attacks against the RAF are completely ridiculous. The RAF was rooted in a widespread leftist movement and had some popular support (at least early on). That the RAF failed can be partially blamed on the turns the organisations took (lots and lots of mistake), but it also must be looked at in front of it's background, which was a large leftist, rapidly radicalizing movement in the late 60s and 70s, which began to decline until it got a bit of upwind from the Autonomist movement of the 80/90s, but ultimately died and reduced itself to irrelevance. simply saying "the RAF sucked" is a poor excuse for analysis.

sorry for the OT rant.

http://www.fireandflames.com/images/RGShirtHelden.jpg

print of my favorite "i really want to piss off people left and right today" sweater.... :lol:

Widerstand
3rd February 2011, 01:21
http://www.fireandflames.com/images/RGShirtHelden.jpg

print of my favorite "i really want to piss off people left and right today" sweater.... :lol:

hahaha but it's true! I don't know if I would be leftist if I'd have grown up without stories about the RAF, Dutschke and the 70s student movement. :D

The Douche
3rd February 2011, 03:36
When 1 in 3 young people support an armed organization attacking state and capital in the west I think that deserves a little more attention than "lol you failed".

Os Cangaceiros
3rd February 2011, 04:11
POTD is a bankrupt tactic, we need a organized mass movement of the working class, Red Brigades/RAF didn't bring about communism, this was probably a false flag, blah blah blah etc.

Widerstand
3rd February 2011, 04:14
Red Brigades/RAF didn't bring about communism,

neither did any mass movement of the working class!

badumtss!

Os Cangaceiros
3rd February 2011, 04:23
oh dang! ya got me thar! :o

The Red Next Door
3rd February 2011, 05:54
RAF had good intention, but they were a bunch of silly bourgie marxists. who did not bother to get the working class on their side, that why their asses got send back to germany.

Widerstand
3rd February 2011, 14:04
RAF had good intention, but they were a bunch of silly bourgie marxists. who did not bother to get the working class on their side, that why their asses got send back to germany.

Again, that's completely ignoring reality. They were neither bourgie nor did they "not bother to get the working class on their side". They were born out of Germany's biggest leftist post-war movement.

The Douche
3rd February 2011, 16:39
RAF had good intention, but they were a bunch of silly bourgie marxists. who did not bother to get the working class on their side, that why their asses got send back to germany.

Then how do you explain the fact that 1 in 3 young people supported the RAF during the height of their actions/manhunt?

The Red Brigades also enjoyed a fair ammount of support, and a large part of their base in the working class.

Sasha
3rd February 2011, 16:53
@ explosive situation.
While all failed tactics blanquism and urban guerilla warfare are not the same as propaganda of the deed.

PhoenixAsh
3rd February 2011, 17:27
Singular acts of violence without the broad support and workers base, as is the current situation, do not serve to further a purpose logically. It only serves violence for actions sake.

They go hand in hand. And as such need to be part of a broader movement. This movement needs IMO to be created first. Violence first will not further the creation of this broad movement in the current situation and will only work to deter teh creation of a broad movement.

Violence in defence...such as what is happening now in Germany with Liebe 14 or what happened in Greece ar perfect examples of legitimate violence.

Simply bombing something because capitalist use it is not legitimate per se. And is counter productive.

thälmann
3rd February 2011, 18:54
but the raf has nothing to do with these accidents in switzerland.
we dont know anything about this/ the groups which made militant actions around the wef, from which organisation they come or if they are part of something larger which is builidng up a movement and so on.and i think its good we dont know it and so far, someone should not judge about them.

Fabrizio
3rd February 2011, 19:20
Great news ! Comrades living in capitalist countries should go for more coordinated armed actions.

If you were serious about this I doubt you'd be stupid enough to post it on a public forum where anyone could trace your IP address within seconds.:lol:

Os Cangaceiros
3rd February 2011, 19:40
@ explosive situation.
While all failed tactics blanquism and urban guerilla warfare are not the same as propaganda of the deed.

I know. I was sarcastically refering to all of the rhetoric that inevitably occurs when a topic like this appears.

I know all about Galleani, son. :D

What Would Durruti Do?
3rd February 2011, 21:56
thanks, for making my organizing job harder, you RAF wanna be's.

So it wasn't a completely worthless action then.

ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo
3rd February 2011, 22:20
I think more to the point, people should not be so quick to flap their jaws on this site. Because bacon.

Right, the walls have ears and the corn does too...


Always be wary of the "activists" who can get their hands on high explosives.

Oh, and be doubly wary of the little kids who fap when things go boom. They're usually too stupid to know which side of the door they're on.

Little Kids fapping carries different charges...:laugh: