Zionism and White Supremacy.

[Palingenisis]

The two most militant zionists here both claim to be generally anti-violence, yet they support the existence of the state of Israel, which is weird....Until you realize the why of their support of the zionist project...Its obvious...They do not believe that Palestinians are fully human...If they didnt why would they support the existence of the state of Israel?

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[Princess Luna]

while many Zionists are racists i think its unfair to say ALL are personally bigoted against Palestinians , some are just misguided nationalists.

[balaclava]

The two most militant zionists here both claim to be generally anti-violence, yet they support the existence of the state of Israel, which is weird....Until you realize the why of their support of the zionist project...Its obvious...They do not believe that Palestinians are fully human...If they didnt why would they support the existence of the state of Israel?


Your conclusions are about as sound as your grammar!

[Dean]

Your conclusions are about as sound as your grammar!

Pretty sure a change from plural to singular demands the presence of a verb to reflect that:


Your conclusions are about as sound as is your grammar!

Regardless, complaints about grammar are pretty stupid. :)

[Ele'ill]

Pretty sure a change from plural to singular demands the presence of a verb to reflect that:



Regardless, complaints about grammar are pretty stupid. :)

Not to troll or derail the thread here but I don't believe that's correct. (the example you gave)

[ComradeMan]

The two most militant zionists here both claim to be generally anti-violence, yet they support the existence of the state of Israel, which is weird....Until you realize the why of their support of the zionist project...Its obvious...They do not believe that Palestinians are fully human...If they didnt why would they support the existence of the state of Israel?

What does this post serve as other than a pathetic troll attempt?

If we were militant zionists we wouldn't be here talking to you to start with.

Secondly, other than hysterical name-calling, prove your assertion that we are zionists, and if you have an issue with the very idea of the state of Israel existing then you are on dangerous ground indeed because to deny the Jewish people any kind of homeland whatsoever after the Holocaust is downright anti-semitic and does not help the Palestinian cause either.

In my own experience, the Israelis who I have know who had the most "hardcore" ideas were err... not ashkenazim, but rather the descendents of those who had been chased out of Arabic/Islamic nations TO Israel.

As for the rest of your offensive and hysterical bile, it's not worth response other than to say it's ironic when the nazi sympathies and rightwing tendencies of many Irish republicans were called into question you played it down and brushed it aside yet when it comes to taking examples of Israelis who fit YOUR picture it's not a problem.

Of course, working on your basis I could take the rooted catholicism and things like Irish nationalist collaboration and the Limerick Pogrom as signs somehow to "prove" your militant anti-semitism... we can all play games. :)

[Palingenisis]

Of course, working on your basis I could take the rooted catholicism and things like Irish nationalist collaboration and the Limerick Pogrom as signs somehow to "prove" your militant anti-semitism... we can all play games. :)

Accept I was raised Protestant and while my mum is from a Roman Catholic background hates the RCC. Israel was forged by much more violent pogroms. And LOL at anarchists thanking a post defending a particularly brutal state's existence.

[ComradeMan]

Accept I was raised Protestant and while my mum is from a Roman Catholic background hates the RCC. Israel was forged by much more violent pogroms. And LOL at anarchists thanking a post defending a particularly brutal state's existence.

I wasn't referring to you in person but the context of Ireland, secondly- do you perhaps see how dangerous it is to make such assumptions about people you don't know?

Except neither I nor the rabbi are what you could call "militant" zionists.... get the point?

[Palingenisis]

Except neither I nor the rabbi are what you could call "militant" zionists.... get the point?

Honestly the difference between you and KrimKrams now you see it, now you dont hardcore racism and a militant zionists is a difference between someone how thinks that vaginal rape is okay but not anal and someone who thinks both are okay.

[ComradeMan]

^^^^^ Can you even speak English?

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[Ele'ill]

^^^^^ Can you even speak English?

:laugh:

Knock it off.

[ComradeMan]

Knock it off.

Knock what off? Responding "lightly" in kind to being called racist scum, militant zionist and whatever else by some fucking third positionist?

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[Ele'ill]

Knock what off? Responding "lightly" in kind to being called racist scum, militant zionist and whatever else by some fucking third positionist?

:laugh:


You can either engage them in discussion in a non sensationalized manner to demonstrate how they're wrong- using wit and such or you can further plummet the conversation into name calling and trivial back and forth unrelated banter.

[Palingenisis]

The history of the state of Israel shows who you are.

I believe in calling a spade a spade...Maybe thats because Im a "lumpen" ComradeMan?

Last I checked secretaries were not pimps, pushers or petty cons. Im not middle class though that is true.

[ComradeMan]

The history of the state of Israel shows who you are.
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What a ridiculous statement.

I may as well say the history of the Irish state says who you are... anti-semitism, nazi sympathising, violent nationalism and a "genetic" right of return.... ;)

It's easy to cherry pick things and twist them to suit your argument.

Tell me please, what state really does have clean hands? Do you call for other modern states to be abolished, such as say, Australia or New Zealand for example? Should America abolish itself and it be left to Native Americans to decide who stays? Would any of these arguments be taken seriously? Strange how people change their position when it's Tibet too.

[Dean]

What a ridiculous statement.

I may as well say the history of the Irish state says who you are... anti-semitism, nazi sympathising, violent nationalism and a "genetic" right of return.... ;)

It's easy to cherry pick things and twist them to suit your argument.

Tell me please, what state really does have clean hands? Do you call for other modern states to be abolished, such as say, Australia or New Zealand for example? Should America abolish itself and it be left to Native Americans to decide who stays? Would any of these arguments be taken seriously? Strange how people change their position when it's Tibet too.
Significant reparations including land rights need to be offered to the indigenous groups in each example. Tibet is another example of Imperialism, but its nowhere near as dramatic in abuses and racial oppression than the example of Israel-Palestine.

Furthermore, even where natives are still oppressed in the US and Australia, the daily home demolitions and embargo on movement and economy is only present in the occupied territories. Your comparison is absurd.

As conditions change, historical oppression which has been lifted tends to be less damaging. In Israel, however, the war on the Palestinians is still fully engaged.

[ComradeMan]

Significant reparations including land rights need to be offered to the indigenous groups in each example. Tibet is another example of Imperialism, but its nowhere near as dramatic in abuses and racial oppression than the example of Israel-Palestine..

Over 1 million Tibetans died, ethnic culture and religion supressed and "colonisation" from the outside..... yeah sure.



Furthermore, even where natives are still oppressed in the US and Australia, the daily home demolitions and embargo on movement and economy is only present in the occupied territories. Your comparison is absurd...

This is where you and the hysterical anti-zionists show yourselves to be the biggest hypocrites of all. The indigenous people of the countries names were subjected to genocide and what remained of them where shifted by force onto reservations and their culture actively destroyed. In the case of Aboriginal people the children were deliberately adopted to white Australian families in order to civilise them. Native American reservations suffer from many economic and social problems too. But here we go again--- we judge Israel by standards no other country is held to, nor probably could be held to and when the hypocrisy is pointed out and also the unreasonableness of some of the demands we shift the goals.
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As conditions change, historical oppression which has been lifted tends to be less damaging. In Israel, however, the war on the Palestinians is still fully engaged.

I am not going to defend the policies of the Israeli government and I have been a critic of those policies, as others, yet at the same time this hysterical anti-zionism that is ironically as blinkered and narrow-minded as the most radical of zionists, is neither helpful nor constructive.

Ironically, and sadly on the left, the historical materialism that is so often used to explain away such things as the horrors committed by Stalinism or "Pol Potism" suddenly vanishes when it comes to any discussion of Israel- too many convenient facts are left out- namely, and importantly, that the existence of the State of Israel is largely due to the centuries of persecution of Jewish people in Europe and the mass exodus of Jews from the Islamic world- the same Islamic world that often calls for the complete annihilation of Israel.

[Palingenisis]

Tell me please, what state really does have clean hands? Do you call for other modern states to be abolished, such as say, Australia or New Zealand for example? Should America abolish itself and it be left to Native Americans to decide who stays? Would any of these arguments be taken seriously? Strange how people change their position when it's Tibet too.

Maybe not a bad idea...Some Communists and even Anarchists have called for this.

[ComradeMan]

Maybe not a bad idea...Some Communists and even Anarchists have called for this.

Avoiding the issue now.

The reason?

Because you can't answer it honestly.

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[#FF0000]

Avoiding the issue now.

The reason?

Because you can't answer it honestly.

;)

Saying "BUT WHAT ABOUT TIBET AND THE NATIVE AMERICANS" in a discussion about Israel is "avoiding the issue".

[Palingenisis]

Saying "BUT WHAT ABOUT TIBET AND THE NATIVE AMERICANS" in a discussion about Israel is "avoiding the issue".

Okay my position on the First Nations is what they demand I will support.

[Obzervi]

Secondly, other than hysterical name-calling, prove your assertion that we are zionists, and if you have an issue with the very idea of the state of Israel existing then you are on dangerous ground indeed because to deny the Jewish people any kind of homeland whatsoever after the Holocaust is downright anti-semitic and does not help the Palestinian cause either.


A "homeland"? What the fuck does that mean? The Earth is my homeland, not this artificial grouping you use to separate yourself from other human beings. Sounds like ethnocentrism to me.

[Obzervi]

Okay my position on the First Nations is what they demand I will support.
Same goes for the oppressed Palestinians then. It's quite pointless to bring up Native Americans in such a thread in the first place, but yes I would say they should be given their land rights and stolen wealth.