U.S. Troops Heading to Egypt

[Martin Blank]

http://www.theday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20110124%2FNWS09%2F301249955%2F-1%2Fnws


Groton - Connecticut National Guard Detachment 2, Company I, 185th Aviation Regiment of Groton has mobilized and will deploy to the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, to support the Multinational Force and Observers.

The unit left Connecticut Jan. 15 for Fort Benning, Ga., for further training and validation. The unit operates C-23C Sherpa aircraft and has deployed three times in the last seven years in support of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unit will provide an on-demand aviation asset to the Multinational Force and Observers commander to support its mission of supervising the security provisions of the Egypt/ Israel Peace Treaty.

Chief Warrant Officer Four James Smith of Ivoryton commands the aviation unit.

[William Howe]

Fucking hell USA, will you just leave people alone for a change?

The USA is like those people you find in big cities, the ones who stop your car to come up and wash your windshield for you. It's helpful at times, but really damn annoying and you rarely want them there.

[Magón]

Fucking hell USA, will you just leave people alone for a change?

The USA is like those weird people you find in big cities, the ones who stop your car to come up and wash your windshield for you. It's helpful at times, but really damn annoying and you rarely want them there.

You mean the homeless?

[PhoenixAsh]

its from the 24th... maybe its coincidence?

[William Howe]

You mean the homeless?

Drove past a grocery store in downtown London and the owner ran out to wash my windshield.

Doubt he's homeless.

[TC]

They are just part of the peacekeeping force that protects the egyptian-israeli peace treaty - they deployed before the egyptian protests happened.

[psgchisolm]

They are just part of the peacekeeping force that protects the egyptian-israeli peace treaty - they deployed before the egyptian protests happened.

I am sure they are just there to make sure there are no violations during the protests.


its from the 24th... maybe its coincidence?
But of course since this is revleft we all know this is an imperialist conpiracy :cool:.

[gorillafuck]

The USA is like those people you find in big cities, the ones who stop your car to come up and wash your windshield for you. It's helpful at times, but really damn annoying and you rarely want them there.
That is a really terrible comparison. American imperialism isn't something that's just trying to be helpful but ends up being annoying. The US military knows what it's doing.

[psgchisolm]

That is a really terrible comparison. American imperialism isn't something that's just trying to be helpful but ends up being annoying. The US military knows what it's doing.
Yes because sending a National Guard Aviation Unit is so deadly.:cool:btw here's some info on the imperialist death machines this unit uses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_C-23_Sherpa
http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_c23sherpa.php
The most it can do is send 20 guys and 4 or so pallets of supplies. That's a little more than a squad and less than a platoon. wtf is a National Guard Aviation unit with a CWO4 going to do to stop protests?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_Officer#United_States Seeing as how the Senior ranked person in the unit has specialized training in w\e their job is. Which, in this case is flying a twin engine cargo plane. I think you need to calm down. mmk?

[Princess Luna]

Keeping millions of people in third world countries in poverty so a select group of people in America can make insane amounts of money is not annoying , its evil.

[The Militant]

I can's say I am surprised by this . The U.S. always intervenes when it is in the best interests of the corporations or resources. They have their nose shoved up every other country's ass and attempting to dictate their actions. But that is the sad reality of American imperialism.

[The Douche]

They are just part of the peacekeeping force that protects the egyptian-israeli peace treaty - they deployed before the egyptian protests happened.


Thank you.


Guys. A battalion from my state is also deploying, the deployment has been scheduled for over a year. There is a internationally enforced border established back in the 70s. That is what these units are being deployed to/for. Not to prop up the Egyptian state.

[Nolan]

Yeah people need to stop rushing to conclusions.

[Magón]

Drove past a grocery store in downtown London and the owner ran out to wash my windshield.

Doubt he's homeless.

It's still a horrible comparison because you're comparing a homeless man, or a man trying to get some extra money, to the US Imperialist Military. :rolleyes: And here in the US, I've only ever heard/seen homeless men/women rush up to windshields, no grocery store owners.

[Blackscare]

It's still a horrible comparison because you're comparing a homeless man, or a man trying to get some extra money, to the US Imperialist Military. :rolleyes: And here in the US, I've only ever heard/seen homeless men/women rush up to windshields, no grocery store owners.

Yea, I really get the feeling that this person is either intentionally lying or an absolute fucking idiot.

[Martin Blank]

They are just part of the peacekeeping force that protects the egyptian-israeli peace treaty - they deployed before the egyptian protests happened.


Guys. A battalion from my state is also deploying, the deployment has been scheduled for over a year. There is a internationally enforced border established back in the 70s. That is what these units are being deployed to/for. Not to prop up the Egyptian state.

Seeing some of the responses (not the ones quoted above, mind you) almost makes me regret posting this article here.

I posted the piece because it was an interesting element of information to add to the mix. In the midst of everything that is happening in Cairo, Alexandria, Suez, etc., we tend to forget there is an international "peacekeeping" force in the Sinai, watching over the Egypt-Israel border. Arguably, this article could have just as rightly been posted in the Palestine subforum as it was here. But given everything, I thought it more germane to this issue.

That said, I am not so sure this will be just some ho-hum deployment. Sure, TC and cmoney are right about the specifics of the troop movement as it stands. But it could get ... interesting ... if the uprising in Egypt is able to oust Mubarak's regime and replace it with one that is less friendly to the U.S. and Israel. There is already a decidedly anti-U.S. mood in the streets, because of Washington's aid to Mubarak. A reminder that U.S. troops are deployed inside Egypt, even if it is for the "peacekeeping" force in Sinai, could make the situation that much more tense.

[Widerstand]

What COULD be interesting is how the UN, the USA and Israel react to a regime change close to Israel, especially should the Muslim Brotherhood be involved in the new government.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

William Howe:


The USA is like those people you find in big cities, the ones who stop your car to come up and wash your windshield for you. It's helpful at times, but really damn annoying and you rarely want them there.

More like a bunch of cops who invade your house, beat up your kids, shoot your partner, accuse you of 'terrorism' for resisting, and then lock you up indefinitely without trial as a 'security measure'.

Oh, and who then blow up your entire neighbourhood in order to 'save' it.

[ckaihatsu]

That is a really terrible comparison. American imperialism isn't something that's just trying to be helpful but ends up being annoying. The US military knows what it's doing.


I've *heard* adventurism-type arguments from rank-and-file military personnel. I'd say that once a non-conscripted foot soldier starts making political arguments then they're not just "following orders" anymore -- they're providing *political apologies* for their participation and the imperialist actions of the military as a whole.

Also, see the movie 'Redacted'.

[Lyev]

I don't understand US and western praise for these protests (f.e., Hilary Clinton). Of course it is just hollow cheerleading - it means nothing in real terms - but why do they not condemn the uprisings (in Tunisia, Sudan, etc. as well)? The kind of leaders that these movements are against are authoritarian 'strongmen' that provide stability, and make these nations stable allies and trade partners with the US, especially compared to some of the other regimes in Africa. And also with Egypt is their tie with Israel, which will weaken with this decidedly anti-Mubarak mood, right? Can someone discuss this briefly? - maybe I am just showing how ignorant I am about the politics and current affairs of north Africa in general here though.

[gorillafuck]

What COULD be interesting is how the UN, the USA and Israel react to a regime change close to Israel, especially should the Muslim Brotherhood be involved in the new government.
The Muslim Brotherhood aren't so much involved in this.

[Widerstand]

The Muslim Brotherhood aren't so much involved in this.

They are still the biggest organized group of the Mubarak opposition, no?

[gorillafuck]

They are still the biggest organized group of the Mubarak opposition, no?
Yeah, they are.

[freepalestine]

They are still the biggest organized group of the Mubarak opposition, ?nored this thread for political parties
http://www.revleft.com/vb/list-political-parties-t149149/index.html
and also this:


Interview with Hossam el-Hamalawy
Professor Mark LeVine interviews journalist and blogger Hossam el-Hamalawy on the situation in Egypt.

Mark LeVine



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Hossam el-Hamalawy, an Egyptian journalist and blogger [CC - 3arabawy]

January 27, 2011

Hossam el-Hamalawy, is an Egyptian journalist and blogger for the website 3arabawy (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.arabawy.org/). Mark LeVine, professor of History at UC Irvine, managed to catch up with Hossam via Skype to get a first-hand account of events unfolding in Egypt.


Mark LeVine:
Why did it take a revolution in Tunisia to get Egyptians onto the streets in unprecedented numbers?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
In Egypt we say that Tunis was more or less a catalyst, not an instigator, because the objective conditions for an uprising existed in Egypt, and revolt has been in the air over the past few years. Indeed, we already managed to have 2 mini-intifadas or "mini Tunisias" in 2008. The first was the April 2008 uprising in Mahalla, followed by another one in Borollos, in the north of the country.

Revolutions don't happen out of the blue. It's not because of Tunisia yesterday that we have one in Egypt mechanically the next day. You can't isolate these protests from the last four years of labour strikes in Egypt, or from international events such as the al-Aqsa intifada and the US invasion of Iraq.
The outbreak of the al-Aqsa intifada was especially important because in the 1980s-90s, street activism had been effectively shut down by the government as part of the fight against Islamist insurgents. It only continued to exist inside university campuses or party headquarters.
But when the 2000 intifada erupted and Al Jazeera started airing images of it, it inspired our youth to take to the streets, in the same way we've been inspired by Tunisia today.

Mark LeVine:
How are the protests evolving?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
It's too early to say how they will go. It's a miracle how they continued past midnight yesterday in the face of fear and repression. But having said that, the situation has reached a level that everyone is fed up, seriously fed up.
And even if security forces manage to put down protests today they will fail to put down the ones that happen next week, or next month or later this year. There is definitely a change in the level of courage of the people. The state was helped by the excuse of fighting terrorism in 1990s in order to fight all sorts of dissent in the country, which is a trick all governments use, including the US.
But once formal opposition to a regime turns from guns to mass protests, it's very difficult to confront such dissent. You can plan to take out a group of terrorists fighting in the sugar cane fields, but what are you going to do with thousands of protesters on the streets? You can't kill them all. You can't even guarantee that troops will do it, will fire on the poor.


Mark LeVine:
What is the relationship between regional and local events here?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
You have to understand that the regional is local here. In 2000 the protests didn't started as anti-regime protests but rather against Israel and in support of Palestinians. The same occurred with the US invasion of Iraq three years later.
But once you take to the streets and are confronted by regime violence you start asking questions: Why is Mubarak sending troops to confront protesters instead of confronting Israel? Why is he exporting cement to be used by Israel to build settlements instead of helping Palestinians?
Why are police so brutal with us when we're just trying to express our solidarity with Palestinians in a peaceful manner?
And so regional issues like Israel and Iraq were shifted to local issues. And within moments, the same protesters who chanted pro-Palestinian slogans started chanting against Mubarak. The specific internal turning point in terms of protests was 2004, when dissent turned domestic.


Mark LeVine:
In Tunisia the labour unions played a crucial role in the revolution, as their large and disciplined membership ensured that protests could not be easily quashed and gave an organisational edge. What's the role of the labour movement in Egypt in the current uprising?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
The Egyptian labour movement was quite under attack in the 1980s and 1990s by police, who used live ammunition against peaceful strikers in 1989 during strikes in the steel mills and in 1994 in the textile mill strikes.

But steadily since December 2006 our country has been witnessing the biggest and most sustained waves of strike actions since 1946, triggered by textile strikes in the Nile Delta town of Mahalla, home of largest labour force in the Middle East with over 28,000 workers. It started because of labour issues but spread to every sector in society except the police and military.


As a result of these strikes we've managed to get 2 independent unions, the first of their kind since 1957 property tax collectors, including more than 40,000 civil servants, and then health technicians, more than 30,000 of whom launched a union just last month outside of the state controlled unions.

But it's true that one major distinction between us and Tunisia is that although it was a dictatorship, Tunisia had a semi-independent trade union federation. Even if the leadership was collaborating with the regime, the rank and file were militant trade unionists. So when time came for general strikes, the unions could pull it together. But here in Egypt we have a vacuum that we hope to fill soon.
Independent trade unionists have already been subjected to witch hunts since they tried to be established; there are already lawsuits filed against them by state and state-backed unions, but they are getting stronger despite the continued attempts to silence them.

Of course, in the last few days the crackdown has been directed against street protesters, who aren't necessarily trade unionists. These protests have gathered a wide spectrum of Egyptians, including sons and daughters of the elite. So we have a combination of urban poor and youth together with the middle class and the sons and daughters of elite.

I think Mubarak has managed to alienate all sectors of society except his close circle of
cronies.


Mark LeVine:
The Tunisian revolution has been described as very much a "youth"-led revolt and dependent on social media technologies like Facebook and Twitter for its success. And now people are focusing on youth in Egypt as a major catalyst event. Is this a "youth intifada" and could it happen without Facebook and other new media technologies?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
Yes, it's youth intifada on the ground. The internet plays only a role in spreading the word and the images about what goes on the ground. We do not use the internet to organise. We use the internet to publicise what we are doing on the ground hoping to inspire others into action.


Mark LeVine:
As you might have heard, in the US, the right wing talk show host Glenn Beck has gone after an elderly academic, Frances Fox Piven, because of an article she wrote calling on the unemployed to stage mass protests for jobs.
She's even gotten death threats, some from unemployed people who seem happier fantasising about shooting her with one of their many guns than actually fighting for their rights. It's amazing to think about the crucial role of trade unions in the Arab world today considering more than two decades of neoliberal regimes across the region whose primary goal has been to destroy working class solidarity. Why have unions remained so important?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
Unions have always been proven to be the silver bullet for any dictatorship. Look at Poland, South Korea, Latin America and Tunisia. Unions were always instrumental in mass mobilisation. You want a general strike to overthrow a dictatorship, and there is nothing better than an independent union to do so.


Mark LeVine:
Is there a larger ideological program behind the protests, or just get rid of Mubarak?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
Everyone has his or her reasons to take to the streets, but I would assume that if our uprising became successful and he's overthrown you'll start getting divisions. The poor will want to push the revolution to a much more radical position, to push the radical redistribution of wealth and to fight corruption, whereas the so-called reformers who want to put breaks and more or less lobby for change in top and curb powers of state a little bit but keep some essence of the state. But we're not there yet.


Mark LeVine:
What is the role of the Muslim Brotherhood and how will its remaining aloof from the current protests impact the situation?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
The Brotherhood has been suffering from divisions since the outbreak of the al-Aqsa intifada. Its involvement in the Palestinian Solidarity Movement when it came to confronting the regime was abysmal. Basically, whenever their leadership makes a compromise with the regime, especially the most recent leadership of the current supreme guide, it has demoralised its base cadres. I know personally many young brothers who left the group, some of them have joined other groups or remained independent.
As the current street movement grows and the lower leadership gets involved, there will be more divisions because the higher leadership can't justify why they're not part of the new uprising.


Mark LeVine:
What about the role of the US in this conflict. How do people on the street view its positions?


Hossam el-Hamalawy:
Mubarak is the second largest recipient of US foreign aid aside from Israel. He's known to be America's thug in the region; one of the tools of American foreign policy and implementing its agenda of security for Israel and the smooth flow of oil while keeping Palestinians in line.
So it's no secret that this dictatorship has enjoyed the backing of US administrations since day one, even during Bush's phony pro-democracy rhetoric. So one should not be surprised by Clinton's ludicrous statements that were more or less defending the Mubarak regime, since one of the pillars of US foreign policy was to keep regimes stable at expense of freedom and civil liberties.

We don't expect anything from Obama, whom we regard as a great hypocrite. But we hope and expect the American people - trade unions, professors' associations, student unions, activist groups, to come out in support of us. What we want for the US government is to completely get out of the picture.
We don't want any sort of backing; just cut aid to Mubarak immediately and withdraw backing from him, withdraw from all Middle Eastern bases, and stop supporting the state of Israel.


Ultimately, Mubarak will do whatever he has to do to protect himself. He will suddenly adopt the most anti-US rhetoric if he thought that would help him save his skin. At the end of the day he's committed to his own interests, and if he thinks the US won't support him, he'll turn somewhere else.
The reality is that any really clean government that comes to power in the region will come into open conflict with the US because it will call for radical redistribution of wealth and ending support for Israel or other dictatorships. So we don't expect any help from America, just to leave us alone.




Mark LeVine is a professor of history at UC Irvine and senior visiting researcher at the Centre for Middle Eastern Studies at Lund University in Sweden. His most recent books are Heavy Metal Islam (Random House) and Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine Since 1989 (Zed Books).
The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.




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[Fulanito de Tal]

US Marines are going to *protest the US embassy in Egypt. Edit: *protect

http://www.cubadebate.cu/noticias/2011/01/31/envia-eeuu-marines-a-la-embajada-en-egipto/



U.S. marines sent to the embassy in Egypt

The Defense Department today sent a special team of Marines to reinforce the security of the United States Embassy in Cairo, said military sources.

The sources cited by CNN, said that this is a group of Marines who specialize in counterterrorism that are often sent on special assignments when there are risks to U.S. interests.

[PhoenixAsh]

US Marines are going to protest the US embassy in Egypt.

http://www.cubadebate.cu/noticias/2011/01/31/envia-eeuu-marines-a-la-embajada-en-egipto/


And there I was getting all exited over the word "protest"... :crying:

wise move on the part of the US they are not exactly popular right now with all the rethorics that actually mean they will still support Mubarak.