This is Just Pathetic

[elijahcraig]

"Victims" of Communism (http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/default.asp)

[Sovietski Soyuz]

Typical reactionary garbage.

[Loknar]

I am sure if the word "Communism" was replaced with "Capitalism" you'd support this site %100.

What is wrong? You do not like seeing Communist (or so-called) regimes look bad?

[elijahcraig]

Billions have died as a direct result of capitalism, this is its attempt to cover that up with lies. Funded/Approved by Bill Clinton by the way.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 09:55 PM
Billions have died as a direct result of capitalism, this is its attempt to cover that up with lies. Funded/Approved by Bill Clinton by the way.
Billions? Show me some evidence that billions died as a result of capitalism. And how can millions of people lie? Do you think they just get together and think of ways to slander the reputation of Mao and Stalin? I know 100 million people didnt die because of Communism, but I dont for a second doubt that it was in the millions.

[elijahcraig]

Evidence? Millions strave every year. There have been wars which have killed 55 milion people. The starvation alone will eventually reach a billion by if multiplied by the number of years of the capitalist system. Millions die of diesase every year, why? BEcause rich capitalists hoard capital and cures are never found quick enough. War, starvation, genoicde (50 million Black slaves murdered by the US alone, near that many Native Americans), diseases left uncured because of hte capitalist system all add up. That is the billions alone.

[Rastafari]

vote for Joseph Lieberman and these kinds of things will be going up everywhere. I don't doubt thtat millions have dies under "communist" systems, either.

Its the hope of improving the future, not trying to efface the past, that people of ALL political leanings should look into.

[Dark Capitalist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 06:11 PM
Evidence? Millions strave every year. There have been wars which have killed 55 milion people. The starvation alone will eventually reach a billion by if multiplied by the number of years of the capitalist system. Millions die of diesase every year, why? BEcause rich capitalists hoard capital and cures are never found quick enough. War, starvation, genoicde (50 million Black slaves murdered by the US alone, near that many Native Americans), diseases left uncured because of hte capitalist system all add up. That is the billions alone.
Shit happens.

[YKTMX]

God, I hate an anti-communist sites using pictures of Tianamen square as some kind of proof. What the west never says is that the student's in Tianamen Square were singing the Internationale before the tanks arrived.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 10:11 PM
Evidence? Millions strave every year. There have been wars which have killed 55 milion people. The starvation alone will eventually reach a billion by if multiplied by the number of years of the capitalist system. Millions die of diesase every year, why? BEcause rich capitalists hoard capital and cures are never found quick enough. War, starvation, genoicde (50 million Black slaves murdered by the US alone, near that many Native Americans), diseases left uncured because of hte capitalist system all add up. That is the billions alone.
You're talking about out-right greed not capitalism.



Again, name your source for billions? And I am unsure if millions die each year. I'd say hundreds of thousands, but them again you claim this stuff so please provide some sources.


btw, I am sure if you lived under Mao or Stalin and been one of the many victims I am sure you'd have a different out-look on things.


The 2 most bloodiest wars in history would have to be WW2 and the Taiping rebellion (which happened in China during the mid 1800's). Only WW2 totals over 50 million, the Taiping rebellion around 30-50million. If there is another war that totals more than 50 million dead aside from WW2 I must have forgotten about it.

[elijahcraig]

Do you even know what you are talking about?



You're talking about out-right greed not capitalism.

:lol:

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 03:01 AM
Do you even know what you are talking about?



You're talking about out-right greed not capitalism.

:lol:
Yes I do. Explain how capitalism is greed.

[elijahcraig]

Wow.

[Don't Change Your Name]

That site sucks and proofs absolutely nothing.

Plus it doesnt talk about the imperialist crimes made by the capitalist opressors.

[Don't Change Your Name]

I have checked the articles on this site and I found this very interesting:


Mainland China, with over one billion people, is avowedly Communist, as are a few small nations such as North Korea and Cuba. All three are deadly enemies of the United States with the power to harm her interests and citizens.

Ok, China and North Korea are powerful. BUT CUBA?????? The last phrase should say: "the United States are the deadly enemies of the rest of the world with the power to harm its interests and citizens". Cuba is not the country that murders to get more oil, or that declares the war to the rest of the world, and it doesnt try to be the world's official police. It doesn't have a budget to produce the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons the yanks have. So I ask to this capitalists, WHO IS THE DEADLIEST ENEMY? A poor island victim of every kind of economical blocking or the new roman empire?

This shows how much that site sucks (and the rest of this stupids)

[sliverchrist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 05:32 AM
vote for Joseph Lieberman and these kinds of things will be going up everywhere. I don't doubt thtat millions have dies under "communist" systems, either.

Its the hope of improving the future, not trying to efface the past, that people of ALL political leanings should look into.
Rastafari obviosly knows his shit!

:lol:

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 09:11 PM
Evidence? Millions strave every year. There have been wars which have killed 55 milion people. The starvation alone will eventually reach a billion by if multiplied by the number of years of the capitalist system. Millions die of diesase every year, why? BEcause rich capitalists hoard capital and cures are never found quick enough. War, starvation, genoicde (50 million Black slaves murdered by the US alone, near that many Native Americans), diseases left uncured because of hte capitalist system all add up. That is the billions alone.
Forget about cures not being found fast enough, forget about AIDS aswell, more people die of curable Maliaria in Africa than from AIDS, but which is a better token of support for America to back??? Which one does it choose? Yes it is greed, America is greedy, Capitalism is not subject to a concious like the ICC could be, why? Because America does not want to do the right thing, it wants to do the self serving- unempathetic-with no restriction whatsoever-thing. The definition of capitalism might not include greed, but thats like saying the mass production of chocolate doesnt make people more overweight.

[Loknar]

So Steve, since when did finding a cure for AIDS suddenly become our responsibility? Tell the Africans to stop fucking monkeys and each other so much.

Malaria has been around for thousands of years btw, I am sure we as well ad many other nations are working on it.


Anyway, even though it isn’t our responsibility we have set aside allot of money this year for treatment for Africans and money for research.

[Hampton]

Loknar equating Africans with monkeys, nice. And yes it is "our" responsibility, America supported the system of apartheid adding on to the poverty and sickness.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 07:52 PM
Loknar equating Africans with monkeys, nice. And yes it is "our" responsibility, America supported the system of apartheid adding on to the poverty and sickness.
Well an African screwed a monkey (keep in mind this used to be common, it may still be in tribal areas) and that is how the AIDS virus was introduced to humans, that is what I was referring to.


So we supported apartheid, lets get every nation that supported apartheid and kiss South Africa's ass then.

[Hampton]

It's not kissing their ass. It's realizing that what they did was wrong and trying to fix that wrong.

And this idea than some African fucked a monkey and that's how AIDS came about is a real nice way of conveying them as savages and uncivilized isn't it? There are various ways in which someone can get AIDS that don't involve sex. It is believed that Africans are in the "widespread habit" of eating monkey flesh (Paradoxically though, amongst those who regularly hunt monkeys, for example the pygmies of the equatorial rain forests, AIDS is notable for its absence.). Their children play with dried baby monkey carcasses. And plus there are those who claim that African men and women ritualize injecting monkey blood in their pubic region to stimulate intense sexual activity. There's the idea that monkeys are often hunted for food in Africa. It may be that a hunting accident of some sort, or an accident in preparation for cooking, brought people in contact with infected blood.

That are various ways in which you can come in contact with monkey blood, I'm glad you choose to pick the most perverse one.

[Loknar]

Well fine if you want to go down that road lets also get the African tribes who sold slaves to the white man.



Also, I don’t know if AIDS cane about by screwing a monkey, but as I said African tribesmen did that kind of stuff allot. And stop using the race card, I am not calling African people uncivilized. I'll say this though, in the 1930's (this is when the AIDS virus was first introduced into the Human rsce) there were allot of American and European workers working on highways in Africa. Maybe one of those workers were on their break, went to take a piss, saw the monkey and realized he had been away from his wife for too long .

[革命者]

you are responsible if you wanna own the world, for god sake!

anyway, death toll caused by starvation is like ten to 25 million annual.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 11:11 PM
Evidence? Millions strave every year. There have been wars which have killed 55 milion people. The starvation alone will eventually reach a billion by if multiplied by the number of years of the capitalist system. Millions die of diesase every year, why? BEcause rich capitalists hoard capital and cures are never found quick enough. War, starvation, genoicde (50 million Black slaves murdered by the US alone, near that many Native Americans), diseases left uncured because of hte capitalist system all add up. That is the billions alone.
Yes, I agree with nearly all of that apart from the 50 million black slaves bit... I very seriously doubt if there were even that many slaves in America.

But every thing else is true, good site: -

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstats.htm

[elijahcraig]

I got that from Howard Zinn's "A Peoples History of the United States". Most of them died on the way over I'm sure. Plus, many many were sent to other imperilialist nations such as Great Britain and France, and such.

[Loknar]

Comparatively most were sent to Spanish and Portuguese colonies. If you look at Brazil for example there is a higher ratio of black people than in America. I think America took %15 of the slaves.


Scotty

No we are not responsible. I am sick of people like you *****ing about American Imperialism and Fascsm but you sure have no problem tasking our money.

[elijahcraig]

Dictators get the "aid" money, the people of those countries get nothing.

[Felicia]

HAHAHHA WHAT SHIT!

here, go to this map and clink on the different countries for a "brief" history communism in that area..... I clinked on many countries and everytime it just told me that they'll be ading the history soon, lol, it even said that for China, haha :lol:

Dunno, but I think that's hilarious!

http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/regions/...egionsindex.asp (http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/regions/regionsindex.asp)

[CubanFox]

Riiiiight, it's common for Africans to screw monkeys.

Get your facts straight, you fool.

[kadamangudy]

This notion that africans have ritual sex with "monkeys" is very derogatory, if not plain racist. Secondly, no one has been able to scientifically prove that HIV was transmitted to humans via sexual contact with a "monkey". Finally, (If by "monkeys" you refer to chimpanzees) monkeys cannot have HIV per se. A monkey can only carry SIV, which is very close to HIV, but is not known to affect humans.
All of the HIV information comes from my biology professor.

Oh and by the way... I AM calling Loknar a racist.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 01:45 AM
This notion that africans have ritual sex with "monkeys" is very derogatory, if not plain racist. Secondly, no one has been able to scientifically prove that HIV was transmitted to humans via sexual contact with a "monkey". Finally, (If by "monkeys" you refer to chimpanzees) monkeys cannot have HIV per se. A monkey can only carry SIV, which is very close to HIV, but is not known to affect humans.
All of the HIV information comes from my biology professor.

Oh and by the way... I AM calling Loknar a racist.
How am I racist? I only pointed out that the practice was common 70 years ago in some areas of Africa. I am almost sure it was a monkey that transmitted a virus that eventually mutated into AIDS. I do know however that a supercomputer was used to track the virus back to 1930's Africa.

Oh, and I have news for you, not everyone in Africa is black. Stop with the race shit.

[Dark Capitalist]

Negroes in the Congo still practice cannibalism. So it really wouldn't suprise me if they fucked monkeys as well.

[elijahcraig]

Why don't we ban Facist racists like DC?

[Sovietski Soyuz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 05:36 AM
Why don't we ban Facist racists like DC?
A ban is too merciful.

[Loknar]

Perhaps DC is right, why is that not possible?


And does anyone care to explain how he is being racist? If not then shut up.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by Sovietski [email protected] 3 2003, 09:17 PM
Typical reactionary garbage.
agree.....

[Loknar]

So Hugo do you have a mind of your own? Or do you just make 1 word posts like "agree"?

[elijahcraig]

*Whining*-Lokhnar

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by Loknar+Sep 4 2003, 08:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Sep 4 2003, 08:01 PM)
[email protected] 4 2003, 07:52 PM
Loknar equating Africans with monkeys, nice. And yes it is "our" responsibility, America supported the system of apartheid adding on to the poverty and sickness.
Well an African screwed a monkey (keep in mind this used to be common, it may still be in tribal areas) and that is how the AIDS virus was introduced to humans, that is what I was referring to.


So we supported apartheid, lets get every nation that supported apartheid and kiss South Africa&#39;s ass then. [/b]
hahaha loknar:i think usa people do more shit as aids and stuff...u know why..porn..fucking assholes.. :angry:

[FistFullOfSteel]

loknar:seems u only attacking people for their opinions..and then let us write what we want..u only seems only to believe in damn sites that proves noting

[Dark Capitalist]

http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&...15&pagenumber=2 (http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1615&perpage=15&pagenumber=2)

[Loknar]

Hugo, I don’t mean to be offensive but you don’t seem to know what Communism actually is and you only "agree" with people.

Anyway Hugo, AIDS can be transmitted many ways, sex, sharing needles, blood ect. And Anal porn is done everywhere probably

Anyway, there are more AIDS in Africa, many nations have %25 of the population infected.

Zambia for example has a %20 AIDS rate ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/za.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/za.html) )

The US actually has people who actually want AIDS treatment. Some Gay people find it erotic, fucking assholes, I&#39;ll have to pay for their fucking treatment.

[Dark Capitalist]

The US actually has people who actually want AIDS treatment. Some Gay people find it erotic, fucking assholes, I&#39;ll have to pay for their fucking treatment.


I&#39;ve heard about this before. They&#39;re called &#39;bug chasers&#39; and evidently get off on the idea of contracting AIDS and/or infecting someone else with it.

They need to be institutionalized if you ask me.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 07:09 AM
Hugo, I don’t mean to be offensive but you don’t seem to know what Communism actually is and you only "agree" with people.

Anyway Hugo, AIDS can be transmitted many ways, sex, sharing needles, blood ect. And Anal porn is done everywhere probably

Anyway, there are more AIDS in Africa, many nations have %25 of the population infected.

Zambia for example has a %20 AIDS rate ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/za.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/za.html) )

The US actually has people who actually want AIDS treatment. Some Gay people find it erotic, fucking assholes, I&#39;ll have to pay for their fucking treatment.
why do u have problems with me when i agree with people?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by hugo+Sep 6 2003, 08:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hugo @ Sep 6 2003, 08:01 AM)
[email protected] 6 2003, 07:09 AM
Hugo, I don’t mean to be offensive but you don’t seem to know what Communism actually is and you only "agree" with people.

Anyway Hugo, AIDS can be transmitted many ways, sex, sharing needles, blood ect. And Anal porn is done everywhere probably

Anyway, there are more AIDS in Africa, many nations have %25 of the population infected.

Zambia for example has a %20 AIDS rate ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/za.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/za.html) )

The US actually has people who actually want AIDS treatment. Some Gay people find it erotic, fucking assholes, I&#39;ll have to pay for their fucking treatment.
why do u have problems with me when i agree with people? [/b]
It&#39;s not that, you don’t seem to elaborate enough. Instead of using few words try to use a complete sentence.

[EneME]

You&#39;re talking about out-right greed not capitalism.
That is what capitalism is based on....dog eat dog right?

So Steve, since when did finding a cure for AIDS suddenly become our responsibility? Tell the Africans to stop fucking monkeys and each other so much.
Finding a cure isn&#39;t US&#39;s responsibility but when AIDS medications are fully patented by US corporations, and don&#39;t allow for generic brands to be made it should be a moral obligation to share life giving medicine to the millions suffering in Africa. Also, why would they help the Africans? They are the real drug dealers here...the moneys in the medicine&#33;
Your comment on Africans fucking monkeys makes you look like the uncivilized person here. Beastiality isn&#39;t just something that MIGHT happen in Africa on rare occassions, it&#39;s a world wide fetish. I know for a fact that in Mexico they have these types of things happening also, but I dont think it has anything to do with AIDS. No one knows where it could have come from, mutations of biological organisms and viruses are happening all throughout history......
On a side note: many europeans and european-americans have been known to eat monkey brains as a delicacy...why not blame it on that?

Billions? Show me some evidence that billions died as a result of capitalism. And how can millions of people lie? Do you think they just get together and think of ways to slander the reputation of Mao and Stalin? I know 100 million people didnt die because of Communism, but I dont for a second doubt that it was in the millions.
Billions or millions? Does it matter? A life is one too many&#33; Obviously you care more about being right than of the real meaning underlying Communism and politics in general....the lives of the people.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 6 2003, 02:09 AM
http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&...15&pagenumber=2 (http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1615&perpage=15&pagenumber=2)
Stop the presses&#33; He posted a link from The Phora it must be true&#33;

[Loknar]

EneME

You obviously don’t know what capitalism is. Look it up in a dictionary before you label it as greed.

Also,. bestiality in the 1930 was rampant in some areas of Africa, I don’t see how pointing something out makes me uncivilized.

[FistFullOfSteel]

I will ,in another thread :lol:

[kadamangudy]

beastiality common in africa in the 1930&#39;s&#33;?. How can you prove that?? It is slightly possible that it occured in rare cases, but to call it common is ridiculous. One also has to keep in mind that imperialist nations often falsley degraded native peoples to justify their occupation. So Loknar&#39;s should note that his sources regarding 1930&#39;s beastiality in africa may have just be imperialist propaganda. (assuming of course he has any sources)

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 09:06 PM
beastiality common in africa in the 1930&#39;s&#33;?. How can you prove that?? It is slightly possible that it occured in rare cases, but to call it common is ridiculous. One also has to keep in mind that imperialist nations often falsley degraded native peoples to justify their occupation. So Loknar&#39;s should note that his sources regarding 1930&#39;s beastiality in africa may have just be imperialist propaganda. (assuming of course he has any sources)

I don’t mean every guy had a monkey in his house. I mean among various tribes.

I heard it on a radio station actually, and a few other places. I am trying to find a source, but typing bestiality on the internet usually brings up porn sites.

[kadamangudy]

perhaps you heard it on the 700 club.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 06:59 PM
EneME

You obviously don’t know what capitalism is. Look it up in a dictionary before you label it as greed.

Also,. bestiality in the 1930 was rampant in some areas of Africa, I don’t see how pointing something out makes me uncivilized.
:lol:

[Dark Capitalist]

Again, why would beastiality come as such a suprise to you in a society which openly practices cannibalism?

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 06:59 PM
EneME

You obviously don’t know what capitalism is. Look it up in a dictionary before you label it as greed.
It has lots of definitions. The two most common, "private property" and "free market" are actually very different in practice. The U.S. practices private ownership of the means of production, but does not truly follow free market ideals due to all the financial aid the government gives to the corporate plutocracy pulling the strings in America.

Anyways, etymologically, it simply means &#39;an ideology based around [the pursuit of] capital.&#39; If someone is operating to increase their own capital, it can be said that their actions are capitalist.

Capital-oriented greed, especially that of the slave trade and the gold-fueled, conquistador-run genocide and subjugation of the Americas, is therefore capitalist.

EneME was correct.

[EneME]

Also,. bestiality in the 1930 was rampant in some areas of Africa, I don’t see how pointing something out makes me uncivilized.
It makes you uncivilized because you could have brought up any other kind of explanation for AIDS being contracted by humans. Also, maybe its just ME, but when i respond to someone&#39;s comments, I try not to belittle someone or make light of such a horrible crisis thats killing millions. I don&#39;t think making another person/race/tribe look or feel stupid makes one a better person...think it makes one look way worse.

Negroes in the Congo still practice cannibalism. So it really wouldn&#39;t suprise me if they fucked monkeys as well.
Why would YOU care if they do or not? It&#39;s their culture, they aren&#39;t fuckin/eating YOU... By the way, Africa is where ALL "civilized" and "uncivilized" human beings came from....you should hold them with more respect than to see them as if they&#39;re on some lower level just b/c they don&#39;t eat McDonald&#39;s and watch porn on the net. &#39;Cause THAT&#39;S civilized right? Also, your comments aren&#39;t "racist" they&#39;re "ethno-centric" because you&#39;re point of view of the world is narrow. I suggest you talk to ppl in/from different countries, and imagine what it&#39;s like to live in their shoes. By the way....don&#39;t vacation in Fiji, &#39;cause they&#39;re known to be cannibals..and especially the white folk...lol

EneME was correct.
Thanks.....

[kadamangudy]

in response to Dark Capitalists last entry:

Because unscientific assumptions are just as good as making the whole thing up&#33;&#33;

A proper assumption would be if A=B and B=C, then A=C



As far as I know practicing cannibalism (if that is even true) has no connection with beastiality.

[Dark Capitalist]

Yes, I guess that&#39;s sort of a non sequitur isn&#39;t it? :P

[PFP Revolutionary]

What I don&#39;t understand (or more or less don&#39;t like) is that the word "Communist" or "Commie" has been made to be an insult. Example: When I was in high school people would attempt to put others down by calling them "commies". My thoery is that since we (those who are United Statesian, haha) have had it ingrained in our heads that Communism is wrong, anti-American, and just plain bad. Only when we are older do some of us decide to actually educate ourselves and find out whether Communism and/or Socialism is really a bad thing. True Communism, would be a societal utopia and as far as I know it has not really been achieved, I could be wrong on that assumption though. Whether it has or not why would someone use that as an insult? It really all boils down to laziness. People don&#39;t want to educate themselves, they just learn one thing about one thing and it is that way forever, in most cases. PEACE :ph34r:

www.poisonforprofit.com

[elijahcraig]

The introduction to "Killing Hope" by William Blum shows how the US propaganda dogs have been on commmunism&#39;s back since 1917. Publishing atrocities commited by Bolsheviks, of course all invented by the press. One senator even said, something like, "The Bolsheviks tried to make the inferiors have control."

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 09:33 PM
The introduction to "Killing Hope" by William Blum shows how the US propaganda dogs have been on commmunism&#39;s back since 1917. Publishing atrocities commited by Bolsheviks, of course all invented by the press. One senator even said, something like, "The Bolsheviks tried to make the inferiors have control."
Ha, I suppose the NKVD were just a nice bunch of guys right?


And yes, there was a Jewish man (I forgot his name) who was a Bolshevik who committed many atrocities.

Didn’t Lenin say something like "There is no Revolution with out terror"?

[elijahcraig]

So did Engels.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 11:35 PM
So did Engels.
I see, you rule very poorly so you need to utilize to keep the people in line. That&#39;s poor leadership.


So with that quote in mind would you have us think that nothing happened? I wonder what happened to White Russian army personnel.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 09:08 PM
"Victims" of Communism (http://www.victimsofcommunism.org/default.asp)
Well it&#39;s fun to read, I haven&#39;t checked more then a few pages. But don&#39;t be enraged for it. Since both sides have to deal with such sites <_<

[elijahcraig]

Loknar, did I say that? No, have to use terror against the ones who attempt to destroy the revolution.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 07:58 PM
No, have to use terror against the ones who attempt to destroy the revolution.
A revolution started up by a new dictator :unsure:

[synthesis]

And yes, there was a Jewish man (I forgot his name) who was a Bolshevik who committed many atrocities.

You&#39;re probably thinking of Lenin. Or Trotsky?

Neither were particularly nice fellows.

[elijahcraig]

I smell pussy.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 02:00 AM

And yes, there was a Jewish man (I forgot his name) who was a Bolshevik who committed many atrocities.

You&#39;re probably thinking of Lenin. Or Trotsky?

Neither were particularly nice fellows.
Not nice in what aspect Dyer?

Not nice in the aspect that they loved to kick children, knock old ladies to the ground, drown kittens, etc.

Or not nice in the aspect they believed in the elimination of the bourgeoisie? The revolution was a war. In a war people are eliminated.

[Loknar]

Sheez RAF, why don’t you just travel to Peru and join the Maoists there. You&#39;d fit in perfectly.

[notyetacommie]

Originally posted by Loknar+Sep 8 2003, 11:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Sep 8 2003, 11:50 PM)
[email protected] 8 2003, 11:35 PM
So did Engels.
I see, you rule very poorly so you need to utilize to keep the people in line. That&#39;s poor leadership.


So with that quote in mind would you have us think that nothing happened? I wonder what happened to White Russian army personnel. [/b]
1. Using your logic, the US, trying to rule the world, are not just poor leaders, they are just jerks, as they rely on military power so much.
2. Yes, many bad things happened during the revolution. But many of the atrocities by the red army soldier were just a form of avenge for hundreds of years of slavery by the ruling class(do you know that serfdom was abolished only in 1861?), for the suppressed 1905 revolution, for the "troikas" (you probably don&#39;t know that these courts consisting of 3 judges who considered criminal and political cases and passed the verdicts with the right to send people to exile or execution were first introduced by Csar Nikolai the II, not communists- who just copied this practice when dealing with former oppressors) and for other atrocities and injustices committed by the ruling class before the revolution.

As for White Russian Army, part of it was killed while being defeated- very much like the Red Army soldiers, who also suffered great casualties; part of it escaped to Manchuria, and then to other countries; part of it escaped directly to Europe, and some people cooperated with communists after the war was over.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 06:02 AM
Sheez RAF, why don’t you just travel to Peru and join the Maoists there. You&#39;d fit in perfectly.
I&#39;m sure I would however right now I am busy.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 05:00 AM
I smell pussy.
Atleast you have better stuff to do then most of the blokes here

[suffianr]

Atleast you have better stuff to do then most of the blokes here

Yes, like being a Restricted Member on a leftist forum.