What I hate most about nut job conservatives and fascists...

[Palingenisis]

Okay this will sound trivial but it really frustrates me about them...

Its that they always seem convinced that they are speaking for some silent majority.

I have been arguing with this basically Nazbol scumbag on a mainstream Irish politics site (mainly because he was falsely claiming the banner of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism) and he was going on and on about how ordinary working class people agree with him on abortion, immigration and his morbid 50s style Roman Catholicism. All the working class people I have come across who are against immigration are so on economic grounds and not on cultural and racial ones. Its the middle class who have that sort of scumbag concern. I honestly dont know of too many people around my age or younger who are more socially conservative than me and those who are tend to be quite and not full on about it.....Yet he keeps saying that he represents mainstream working class Dublin opinion and Im some latte liberal. Also he is for forcing everyone to speak Irish.

It is getting so fucking annoying.

Yes Maoism/Anti-Revisionism isnt popular in Ireland. I expect that. But Im much more in the mainstream than this guy.

Its something though I have noticed with hardcore reactionaires before. They all think they represent the silent majority and everyone who disagrees with them is basically a shallow trendy.

Rant over.

[Dimentio]

To be fair, that same phenomenon is existing on the left side. Imagine for example Trotskyist newspapers with headlines like "THE PEOPLE DEMANDS" and then a meagre 2 members for the party...

[Kalifornia]

To be fair, In alot of European countries like England, Spain and even Ireland, I have noticed huge anti immigrant sentement, as if people think if any more immigrants arrive, the world will fall out of Orbit.

The line they use is usually

"Well I am NOT racist BUT, I dont want any immigrants (codeword for people of colour) getting our houses and getting 5 million a week in handouts (they read it in the paper)

[RGacky3]

Many on the right have this idea, a lot of it they put out in the form of "things people think but are too afraid to say," well maybe they just don't say them because they are dumb ideas.

I hav'nt mett, in person, A SINGLE PERSON, who actually understood Capitalism and thought it was a just, sustainable or a free system in its current form, or anywhere near its current form.

[Quail]

The line they use is usually

"Well I am NOT racist BUT, I dont want any immigrants (codeword for people of colour) getting our houses and getting 5 million a week in handouts (they read it in the paper)


Many on the right have this idea, a lot of it they put out in the form of "things people think but are too afraid to say," well maybe they just don't say them because they are dumb ideas.

I've heard people say these two things so, so often it's just depressing. My uncle has some racist ideas and he's always going on about how "he's not afraid to be politically incorrect" and how he's "just telling it like it is" and it really is frustrating. There's a difference between "not being politically correct" and just plain being a bigot, and no, racist scaremongering is definitely not "telling it how it is."

"I'm not racist, BUT..." is nearly always followed by a racist remark. As though somehow saying that you're not racist stops your comment from being racist.

[Ocean Seal]

Well if you're on facebook you can have fun looking at some conservative conspiracy theory pages and the anti-socialist (Obama) pages. These people are actually convinced that Obama was a socialist! And they have yet to cite a single piece of evidence that he is!

[Demogorgon]

Yeah third positionists calling themselves Maoists, firing off horribly socially conservative opinions and dismissing those who disagree with them as "trendy" is mighty annoying. I wonder who that could refer to.

[RGacky3]

People use the liberal buzzword to attack ideas that are humane and reasonable, they just yell out "ohhh your a liberal," both right wingers and maoists.

If you look at most of the evidence most people are relatively progressive in most places, this idea of the rough neck social conservative is a myth.

[Palingenisis]

Yeah third positionists calling themselves Maoists, firing off horribly socially conservative opinions and dismissing those who disagree with them as "trendy" is mighty annoying. I wonder who that could refer to.

Expect the idea that a belief in personal responsibility and working class rule in working class neighbourhoods somehow equals "third positionism" is only something that a trendy wanker would come out with. ;)

[balaclava]

I have been arguing with this basically Nazbol scumbag on a mainstream Irish politics site (

Does disagreeing with your view point automatically qualify a person as a Nazi?

[Palingenisis]

Does disagreeing with your view point automatically qualify a person as a Nazi?


I said Nazbol not Nazi. And no.

But mixing up a half digested Marxism-Leninism with racial nationalism does make you a Nazbol.

[Manic Impressive]

To be fair, In alot of European countries like England, Spain and even Ireland, I have noticed huge anti immigrant sentement, as if people think if any more immigrants arrive, the world will fall out of Orbit.

The line they use is usually

"Well I am NOT racist BUT, I dont want any immigrants (codeword for people of colour) getting our houses and getting 5 million a week in handouts (they read it in the paper)
I think that's a little unfair, I think it's perfectly natural for the working class to oppose something which reduces jobs and wages.

[Palingenisis]

I think that's a little unfair, I think it's perfectly natural for the working class to oppose something which reduces jobs and wages.

True...I would see someone who opposes immigration for economic reasons as being very different from one who opposes it for racial and cultural reasons. I have seen how the bosses uses immigration to bring down working conditions and even wages, but there are huge cultural pluses that come with immigration in my opinion.

[Red Commissar]

In the United States this is common. Ignoring the "left" groups here for a moment and taking a look at the Republican-Democrat nonsense you see this played out alot depending on which one wants to pull out the populist bit.

Democrats will tend to do this alot when trying to act like they're representing the downtrodden against big businesses. They'll talk about how "America" needs to come together and that they need to do "x" to get "y" and what not. However I think the stronger rhetoric doesn't come from them.

Republicans I think fall into the "silent majority" stuff a lot, lot more. After all it was Nixon himself who used the term "silent majority" when referring to the people who brought him into office, who were sick of LBJ's "Great Society" plans, racial integration in the South, social "degeneration" etc etc.

Just look at the rhetoric from the Republican Party now and the Tea Party. They try to act like they're representing the American families who work "hard" and are being cheated over by welfare recipients. Who want good, wholesome values in the country.

Here there's lots of talk about taking back "our" country by that crowd. I've seen some billboards here - one that says "Americans, your country has been hijacked!" or something along those lines. Of course, it's appealing to the types who think They get into squabbles over how "their" classrooms have been hijacked by liberals and the need to emphasize "American Exceptionalism".

Recently here it's poured into state politics over the question of the next Speaker of the House of the Texas Legislature. The Tea-Party approved candidate said that the "people" have clearly spoken that they want a wholesome Christian man with conservative values as the Republican speaker. The current speaker of Texas's House is a Republican, and also happened to be Jewish...

Really they even throw out occasionally that they're representing "working-class" Americans, who all apparently are also avid readers of Ayn Rand and socially conservative.

[Red Future]

Nazbols in Ireland ?? I thought National Bolshevism was only really popular in Russia

[Manic Impressive]

True...I would see someone who opposes immigration for economic reasons as being very different from one who opposes it for racial and cultural reasons. I have seen how the bosses uses immigration to bring down working conditions and even wages, but there are huge cultural pluses that come with immigration in my opinion.
I don't believe the many people are inherently racist, they see wages going down or someone doing the job they want for less wages or getting a nice council house when they're living in a shit hole and they blame the immigrant. A lot of racism is because of this when it's clearly illogical and they should blame the capitalist who exploits the immigrants for sub standard wages and the state who does not provide adequate housing. Of course there are lots of benefits to immigration but I don't think people should start writing people off as racist just because they are anti immigration.

[Palingenisis]

Nazbols in Ireland ?? I thought National Bolshevism was only really popular in Russia

On the fringes of "Republican Sinn Fein" (a right wing split from the Provisional movement in 1986) it makes perfect sense. He claims just to be a Maoist though....However Maoists opposing immigration to what is basically now an Imperialist country, though people will agrue with me about that, on racial and cultural grounds, going on about "holy" Irish genetics, etc? Even if he doesnt say he is a Nazbol if the shoe fits...

[Palingenisis]

I don't believe the many people are inherently racist, they see wages going down or someone doing the job they want for less wages or getting a nice council house when they're living in a shit hole and they blame the immigrant. A lot of racism is because of this when it's clearly illogical and they should blame the capitalist who exploits the immigrants for sub standard wages and the state who does not provide adequate housing. Of course there are lots of benefits to immigration but I don't think people should start writing people off as racist just because they are anti immigration.

No I know people who want to tighten immigration controls or stop immigration into Ireland at the moment but they are honestly not racist. They are friendly to and respectful of recent immigrants and would oppose any racist attacks on them...However I have come across people (either lumpen or middle class) who are racist, who can see nothing positive about immigration and see immigrants as sub-human. There is a clear dividing line between the two sets of people. Anyone who would carry out a racist attack or call someone a racist name is just a racist (and a scumbag who it might to be nice to see runover by a bus).