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Redswiss
28th January 2011, 15:40
Okay, here goes.

This thread's OP will probably be quite unorganized, for I do not know what formatting to adhere to.
Statements will be deliberately made in an accusing manner.
Also, a Communism Expert is not me.
And, of course, everything is written from a kinda European Swiss perspective.

1. Communism is undemocratic.

While the ultimate form may be democratic indeed, getting there is another story entirely.
We have, for example, the Aufbau organization of Switzerland. It was only some days ago when
a parliamentary representative of the SPP (rightist-conservative party; Swiss People's Party),
walked right past the obviously leftist black bloc of a demonstration. Of course, he got some stones.
While this obviously foolish action could almost be considered to be deliberate to defame the left, this reflects something I consider a problem.
No matter how unpleasant that party might be, this official represents a democratically elected official of the people.
To attack him is to take a shit on the opinions of those who think wrongly in their perspective.
Is this approach not fascist, not to mention not very democratic?
If we extrapolate, we'll find that revolutions are also undemocratic.
I suspect that only a very small minority of the Swiss people follows a communist agenda, yet, the left behaves as if in fact,
everybody is leftist, and would probably have a revolution if possible, whether the people will it or not.
Bottom line, the left should only do what truly represents the democratic opinion of the people, not
what represents what they think the opinion of the people should be.


2. Communism, as is, is unproductive

I am aware that communist groups have done much in other areas. In Europe, not so. All which I ever see is anarchists destroying this,
communists beating up that. The Antifa might be the
most ardent outgrowth of this behaviour. Expressing anger against the state and certain groups is a very easy thing to do
and is done with great eagerness. Groups such as Antifa, I think, might even attract the wrong group of people - vandals and such,
'merely looking for some fun and excitement.
I have yet to hear of a group though which really
did something that directly benefited the people - a communist help group,
some leftist group truly servicing the people. Free soup or whatever, I wouldn't know.
Bottom line, the left only shows its violent side, stating humanitarian principles as they go
(which are dismissed by the people because that seems utterly laughable when all they do is destroy stuff and people). This is not how you get the people's support, mates.


3. Is Communism right? (More of a philosophical one)

How can a leftist (or a member of any political group, really) fight for his beliefs?
To do so sensibly obviously requires assuming that one's ideology is true,
and the way the world should work.
However, how can anyone assume that one's beliefs are true? Communism (and other political ideologies) are based on abstract principles, such as humanitarianism. Those abstract principles are based on ethical and moral perspectives, yet, no absolute ethical and moral ruleset exists. This works for any political belief; It is always believing one's underlying ethical and moral principles to be right and the others' to be wrong, and that the others' principles must be corrected.
I might as well extrapolate that deep down, any political belief is fascist and authoritarian.

Broletariat
28th January 2011, 16:16
1. Every revolution is undemocratic (yes even the Capitalist ones), and is there a problem with being undemocratic? Scientists don't get together and vote on which model of the atom they use, they figure out which one best models it and then forcefully impose it on school children everywhere... is this such a bad thing?

You've made the assumption here also in thinking that everyone votes, because not everyone does. There's also many things very flawed with the "democratic" process that make it very non-democratic. I'm not sure about the politics where you're from specifically, but speaking from a USA perspective, you're not a politician unless you have ties to the business community. Politicians represent a certain class, a minority class at that.

2. This is something somewhat debated on the left. You see, soup kitchens and all that are nice sure, but it's just a band-aid over the amputated arm that is Capitalism. The only way to REALLY fix the problems that would give rise to soup kitchens to begin with is to institute Communism.

3. We don't assume our "beliefs" are true, we conclude it based off of the evidence around us and past experiences in history that we have learned from.

I'm an anti-philosopher though so I can't really answer much more of what you're asking.

And on the Left when we use the word "Fascist" we typically use it to mean a violently anti-communist regime. The best way to test if you're living in a Fascist state is this.

1. Do you know a Communist/Anarchist?
2. Are they alive?
3. If yes to both, you are not living under Fascism.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
29th January 2011, 00:24
1
Our end isn't "Democracy" - it's fucking communism!
The public is an effect - what should interest is the immediate construction of communities that are arrayed against the "public" from which democracy draws its legitimacy. Its elected officials, left or right, need to be hit with rocks or worse.

2
Let's call humanitarianism what it is: the imposition of liberal values onto other worlds. Fuck it.
Of course anarchist/leftist violence is all that's visible within the spectacle - it should be our only relation to the sphere of commodities.
If you don't see the projects that feed, house, and support people; the communities that live communism, it's only because you're not making those projects yrself. What the fuck are you doing?

3
If we're going to get anywhere we need to jettison the sphere of "politics", do away with ideology, and if we're going to have an ethics, it can't be exist within what now exists. If we conceptualize our project as communist "good" against capitalist "evil", capitalist evil will win every time. That which expands the space in which we can practice a communist ethics is the only "good" we can aim for - our relationship to the existing civil war is that of partisans.