Michael Moore

[orange willie]

I fuck goats.

[YKTMX]

Just my thoughts

And what a blessing they are. Welcome to the boards.

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Originally posted by orange [email protected] 2 2003, 05:45 PM

Anyway, he asked a very good question in his film: Why do Americans grease each other at such an alarming rate compared to other countries--such as Canada.

Well, kiddies, Uncle Willie knows the answer: We grease each other because our country is so unbelievably fantastic. It's probably the only country in the world where any down and out hobo can become successful and wealthy. That's why we kill each other. Ambition.


Um, that can happen in Canada as well...

I don't think it is "fantastic" that such a dichotomy exists...i.e. you can have someone filthy rich like Bill Gates and some dude living in absolute poverty...

[Hampton]

Remember that time there was another thread about Michael Moore?

By the way this:


You might meet a little illiterate hood-rat who's been stuck in seventh grade for ten years until he quits school. He knows that if he becomes the best gangster he can be he'll have himself the kind of houses and cars that any little illiterate hood-rat would be proud of. He's ambitious. No more living in the projects for this dude. Sell some drugs, get a gun, and kill anyone who stands in the way.

You mention the 'little illiterate hood-rat" like kinda shit dosen't happen and it's not as bad as the average white suburban kid who pretends to be a gangster, spends all of daddies money to look like a gangster and dosen't know any black people. You're just reinforcing what he said in the movie, the perception that the media gives to the country that Afro-Americans are the cause of crime and murder in this country.

You're shit, go dream about anal sex.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 09:54 PM
Remember that time there was another thread about Michael Moore?
No, when was that?

[Hampton]

Here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=16102&hl=bowling)

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[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by orange [email protected] 2 2003, 09:45 PM
The other night, I watched that movie Bowling for Columbine made by that stupid, fat prick Michael Moore. I have to admit that, even though he's a grotesque idiot, I really enjoy his movies. He's funny. I like funny people though I may not always agree with their politics.

Anyway, he asked a very good question in his film: Why do Americans grease each other at such an alarming rate compared to other countries--such as Canada.

Well, kiddies, Uncle Willie knows the answer: We grease each other because our country is so unbelievably fantastic. It's probably the only country in the world where any down and out hobo can become successful and wealthy. That's why we kill each other. Ambition.

Example.

You might meet a little illiterate hood-rat who's been stuck in seventh grade for ten years until he quits school. He knows that if he becomes the best gangster he can be he'll have himself the kind of houses and cars that any little illiterate hood-rat would be proud of. He's ambitious. No more living in the projects for this dude. Sell some drugs, get a gun, and kill anyone who stands in the way.

It's the same with the tragedy at Columbine. These two boys felt they were being squeezed out of their fair share of the American pie. No fancy houses in their future. No fantastic cars. A life of living in a two bedroom house and driving a hoop-t. Or so they thought. This thought was so unbearable that they took their vengeance. These deaths, in a sense, were driven by ambition.

Some of you might think I'm fool of shit. Hell, I might be.

But let me tell you this. I've lived in other countries. Scotland. South Korea. Japan. Take South Korea, for instance. You can make tons of money over there. But you are still going to live in a shithole. Real-estate is so expensive that everybody lives in a shithole. The only difference between the rich and poor is that rich people live in a bigger shithole. This cuts down on ambition. I've been all over South Korea--Pusan, Seoul, Taejon, Taegu...Never once have I ever feared that someone was going to rob me. Why would they bother? So they could put down a downpayment on a new shithole?

I think ambition is good. The notion that we clip each other at such a rate in order to get ahead might even be...healthy? It beats sitting in New Foundland, collecting welfare, and clubbing baby-seals for beer money.

Just my thoughts.
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[Dark Capitalist]

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I love posting this.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 09:51 PM

Just my thoughts

And what a blessing they are. Welcome to the boards.
No need to welcome littlebill...He's old hat to this board....I like him...He reminds me of Bob Dole, Gary Hart, Rush Limbaugh and Strom Thurman all rolled into one silly little package on sale at K-mart.

[YKTMX]

:D The man who could have been......Gerald Ford

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[Loknar]

Michael Moore I either hates white people in general or wants to get in good with the black people. That stupid ass cartoon in his movie just shows that.

I think this guy is just a stupid ass who just wants to make his beliefs sound correct by exaggeration and out right lying as he is not confident enough in what he believes in to allow facts to speak for them selves.


BTW, what is the communist viewpoint on gun ownership?

[Urban Rubble]

First of all, let me say, I hate Michael Moore.

With that said, you sir are a fool. I'm not going to bother discrediting your entire post, I have to be off to the liqor store and then into that sweet drunken haze I love so much, maybe later though. You mentioned the other countries you have lived in, the reason they are such shitholes is because your beloved Capitalism made them that way. Perhaps if people were guarenteed houses jobs and healthcare they wouldn't have to sell drugs and kill each other, dummy.

[elijahcraig]

Gun control? ARM THE MASSES.

[Hampton]

Michael Moore I either hates white people in general or wants to get in good with the black people. That stupid ass cartoon in his movie just shows that.

There's nothing wrong with either of those two things. But don't you think you're over generalizing that he hates white people, I think he hates the people who run this country and make the stupid laws and they just happen to be white, always have been. How was the cartoon stupid? The freed slaves didn't go around killing their former masters, they put themselves into debt trying to farm their own land taking out loans they were never able to pay off, the KKK/NRA thing was a bit of a strech but it was right about the fear of blacks in this country and how "white flight" came about.

[Urban Rubble]

"There's nothing wrong with either of those two things."

Wait wait wait. Hampton, did you just say it as O.K to hate white people ?

[Hampton]

Don't worry it was a joke, I don't condone blanket hatred because of color.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 01:31 AM

Michael Moore I either hates white people in general or wants to get in good with the black people. That stupid ass cartoon in his movie just shows that.

There's nothing wrong with either of those two things. But don't you think you're over generalizing that he hates white people, I think he hates the people who run this country and make the stupid laws and they just happen to be white, always have been. How was the cartoon stupid? The freed slaves didn't go around killing their former masters, they put themselves into debt trying to farm their own land taking out loans they were never able to pay off, the KKK/NRA thing was a bit of a strech but it was right about the fear of blacks in this country and how "white flight" came about.
No I don’t, the entire cartoon was a generalization against white people. Not every white person saw black people as property, and aside from that there were also black slave owners, I wonder why he doesn’t go into that?!

[Hampton]

The movie wasn't about slavery and who owned slaves in the South. And in the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them.

[sliverchrist]

What's the matter, Hampton? Is the evil white-devil still holding you down? Did some white guy beat you out for a job at the post office? You're the worst kind of racist. Why don't you admit? You know you want to. Reapeat after me. "I HATE WHITEY! I HATE WHITEY! I HATE WHITEY!" The truth will set you free. There. Don't you feel better now?

why the animosity? jesus it is every where on every page! theres no end, and its kind of depressing.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 02:08 AM
The movie wasn't about slavery and who owned slaves in the South. And in the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them.
Sure, and there were also rich black slave owners. I remember a care where in, Wyoming, I think where a school was named after a slave holder, the black community out-raged protested. It was found out that the slave owner was black.


I know the movie was not about slavery, but any white person should be offended. Most of the movie was bullshit. That cartoon was not true (also the cartoon failed to mention that blacks were sold into slavery by their own people and that the Spanish and Portuguese were the worst) that little clip about the US's coups and crimes was exegerated and if not there was usually a valid explanation. It bought up that we supported Osama, never mind he was fighting our cold war enemy. And I don’t know how guerilla training taught Osama to "use his expert CIA training to bomb the WTC".

In fact I'll give you my review on that clip:

The British installed the Shah so that is BS

The president of Vietnam was a complete jerk and anyone who would read a history book would know that.

SO the video also complains about us supporting the Afghans against the Russians, seems so completely backward as they supported Nam against us. Why doesn’t anyone ***** about the Russians killing 1 million Afghans?

About Iran and Iraq war, What about out hostages in the Iranian embassy? Another stupid point on the video.


OK about Panama, what about the drug trafficking? Also the Canal is an important water way to the pacific and had Noriega not declared war on us FIRST we wouldn’t have had the problem.


The Iraqi children (500,000 of them) died because Saddam needed new Palaces, he had the money to feed them he just decided to spend it selfishly.

About Osama using his 'expert' CIA training is bull crap. Training to fight is one thing, training people to highjack planes with out guns is something entirely different.


I don’t deny we have done some bad things but I am sick of people like Moore who think we are the only ones to ever do things of this sort. Why not mention the Russian’s and their crushing of the Hungarian or Czech uprisings? That was the Cold War and I wish it was looked at more objectively.

This was posted on another message board where the clip was posted.
http://site.voila.fr/phil_defer_69/warusa_56k.rm

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by orange [email protected] 3 2003, 03:27 AM
What's the matter, Hampton? Is the evil white-devil still holding you down? Did some white guy beat you out for a job at the post office? You're the worst kind of racist. Why don't you admit? You know you want to. Reapeat after me. "I HATE WHITEY! I HATE WHITEY! I HATE WHITEY!" The truth will set you free. There. Don't you feel better now?
Yes, he is jackass.

I fucking hate crackers.

[Sabocat]

Loknar, stop regurgitating FoxNews will ya?




The British installed the Shah so that is BS

Yeah, well guess who gave him refuge when he was about to be deposed and brought to trial in Iran?


The president of Vietnam was a complete jerk and anyone who would read a history book would know that.

We put Diem in power you stupid bastard. This in a country that in an election Minh was going to win popular vote with as much as 80% of the vote. Diem was so bad, that his own people took him out.


SO the video also complains about us supporting the Afghans against the Russians, seems so completely backward as they supported Nam against us. Why doesn’t anyone ***** about the Russians killing 1 million Afghans?

They (Russia) supported the Vietnamese's right to self determination. The Vietnamese were fighting for their independence from imperialism. The U$ was involved in Vietnam completely for self interest.

We involved ourselves in Afghanistan for one reason only...to fuck the Russians. We supported the Taliban remember? We funded Osama to fight the Russians, only it backfired on us didn't it?


About Iran and Iraq war, What about out hostages in the Iranian embassy? Another stupid point on the video.

Those same hostages played a big role in the illegal and immoral Iran/Contra scandal didn't they?



OK about Panama, what about the drug trafficking? Also the Canal is an important water way to the pacific and had Noriega not declared war on us FIRST we wouldn’t have had the problem.

What about drug trafficking? I guess it's okay when the CIA does it right? The Canal zone was by TREATY, scheduled to go back to Panamanian ownership (as it is today). Fuck, how many times do I have to tell you that? The operation to remove the lackey Noriega resulted in over 3000 civilian deaths, as well as the bombing and destruction of civilian residences.



The Iraqi children (500,000 of them) died because Saddam needed new Palaces, he had the money to feed them he just decided to spend it selfishly.

Stop getting your fucking news from Fox. 500,000 children (at least) died from cholera and dysentary because the U$ and allied forces continued to bomb fresh water pumping and purification plants. The children were swimming and drinking the water in the Tigres because it was the only fresh water available to them. Baghdad's sewerage emptied directly into the Tigres, hence the dysentary and cholera. Regarding palaces, what do you consider the White House, Camp David etc.? How many starving children in the U$ could be fed with the money used to support and protect these "palaces"?


About Osama using his 'expert' CIA training is bull crap. Training to fight is one thing, training people to highjack planes with out guns is something entirely different.

How is it different? It's guerilla warfare. They obviously didn't have the numbers or weaponry to attack the U$ head on. Guerilla training teaches a combatant to use whatever means they have at their disposal. The CIA's done far worse.

With regards to your question about "how do you communists feel about guns?"....hopefully someday soon....you'll find out with a loud crack and a flash of bright light and then eternal darkness. ;)

[Legends]

I personally think the films BFC was great and also his book "Stupid White Men" he tells it like it is and how badly the Bush Administration is running the US.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 11:29 AM








Yeah, well guess who gave him refuge when he was about to be deposed and brought to trial in Iran?


Big deal.



We put Diem in power you stupid bastard. This in a country that in an election Minh was going to win popular vote with as much as 80% of the vote. Diem was so bad, that his own people took him out.


No kidding, but as the video mentioned, we supported a coup against him and it was a good decision. Haven’t you seen film reels of Buddhist Monks lighting them selves on fire?

Also, keep in mind that the Soviets were just as treacherous as the US was.



They (Russia) supported the Vietnamese's right to self determination. The Vietnamese were fighting for their independence from imperialism. The U$ was involved in Vietnam completely for self interest.

No they supported Vietnam because it was in their best interests. Drop your naive attitude. This world is ran by self interest.


We involved ourselves in Afghanistan for one reason only...to fuck the Russians. We supported the Taliban remember? We funded Osama to fight the Russians, only it backfired on us didn't it?

No not really. We didn’t tell Osama to hate us. And at the time we were buddies.


Those same hostages played a big role in the illegal and immoral Iran/Contra scandal didn't they?


Yeah, and Regan should have been impeached for this. But remember also that those crazy ass Islamic fundamentalists were chanting "death to America". Oh and btw, we weren’t the only side to support both sides of the war, the Sovs did the exact same thing as did Brazil and Europe.


What about drug trafficking? I guess it's okay when the CIA does it right? The Canal zone was by TREATY, scheduled to go back to Panamanian ownership (as it is today). Fuck, how many times do I have to tell you that? The operation to remove the lackey Noriega resulted in over 3000 civilian deaths, as well as the bombing and destruction of civilian residences.

Drug trafficking? Those are some rumors started by a burnt out hippy. I think American intell has better things to do.

Lets see the sequence of events here

1) Noriega declares war on the US.

Ok, now they made the first move, so we were right. And as any nation would we protected our interests. And we owned the Canal at the time so it was our right to protect it. Are you willing to claim that if the Soviets were faced with a similar situation they would just let it go? I am sure the Czech people would disagree with you.


Stop getting your fucking news from Fox. 500,000 children (at least) died from cholera and dysentary because the U$ and allied forces continued to bomb fresh water pumping and purification plants. The children were swimming and drinking the water in the Tigres because it was the only fresh water available to them. Baghdad's sewerage emptied directly into the Tigres, hence the dysentary and cholera. Regarding palaces, what do you consider the White House, Camp David etc.? How many starving children in the U$ could be fed with the money used to support and protect these "palaces"?

Wrong, we didn’t bomb water sources, Saddam was afraid of this that is why he didn’t use chemical weapons during the 1st Gulf war. And aside from that bombing water sources is a warcirme. As I said, there is oil for food, he rather buy him self luxuries than use his profits to help his people. And remember the sanctions were authorized by the UN.


How is it different? It's guerilla warfare. They obviously didn't have the numbers or weaponry to attack the U$ head on. Guerilla training teaches a combatant to use whatever means they have at their disposal. The CIA's done far worse.

Because, it is not every day people think, "lets highjack a plane with allot of jet fuel and crash it into the WTC''. Was Osama's militia using those tactics against the Soviets? No. They fought with bullets in caves while Soviets used poison gas (a warcrime btw) to kill them.

Everything the Sovs did in Afghanistan we did in Nam.



With regards to your question about "how do you communists feel about guns?"....hopefully someday soon....you'll find out with a loud crack and a flash of bright light and then eternal darkness. ;)


Well I can tell you this. You will di g your grave then my fireing squad will handle it from there. :D

[Vinny Rafarino]

I have now read the most absurd statement in the history of message boards.


BoyLoknar;


Everything the Sovs did in Afghanistan we did in Nam.



Oh for fuck's sake man. You deserve a little prize for this one.


Keep up the "good work" representing the capitalist "intellectual political debators" BoyLoknar.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 3 2003, 12:14 PM
I have now read the most absurd statement in the history of message boards.


BoyLoknar;


Everything the Sovs did in Afghanistan we did in Nam.



Oh for fuck's sake man. You deserve a little prize for this one.


Keep up the "good work" representing the capitalist "intellectual political debators" BoyLoknar.
Ok, how am I wrong? FUCKING EXPLAIN!!!!

[Sabocat]

No kidding, but as the video mentioned, we supported a coup against him and it was a good decision. Haven’t you seen film reels of Buddhist Monks lighting them selves on fire?

But we didn't support the person that the country wanted to actually lead them did we? All we did was support another puppet. Worked out well for Diem though.


No they supported Vietnam because it was in their best interests. Drop your naive attitude. This world is ran by self interest.

Well, we lost, show me one benefit the Russians got out of Vietnam? Their wildly successful post war economy pumped money back into the Soviet economy right? :lol: In the mean time, the U$ corporations are there raping the working class in sweat shops to make sneakers for the likes of you. I guess we can see what the U$ really wanted Nam for.


No not really. We didn’t tell Osama to hate us. And at the time we were buddies.

Don't you find it odd that Osama had stated as one of his reasons for a holy war against the U$, was that he wanted the U$ troops out of Saudi Arabia and lo and behold, we have recently pulled our troops out? Maybe we're still friends eh?



Drug trafficking? Those are some rumors started by a burnt out hippy. I think American intell has better things to do.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB...2/nsaebb2.htm#1 (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm#1)

I didn't realize that Oliver North was a burned out hippie. I knew he was a worthless prick, but geez...a burned out hippy too?


Noriega declares war on the US.

Yes, we were all very nervous that Panama would invade the U$ :lol: :lol: :lol:


Wrong, we didn’t bomb water sources, Saddam was afraid of this that is why he didn’t use chemical weapons during the 1st Gulf war. And aside from that bombing water sources is a warcirme. As I said, there is oil for food, he rather buy him self luxuries than use his profits to help his people. And remember the sanctions were authorized by the UN.

Really...there's so much material available that documents the attacks to Iraqi civilian infrastructure that it's rediculous. Obviously FOXNEWS didn't cover that. But hey...thanks for making my point for me regarding the UN guidelines for bombing civilian infrastructure. I agree...it was a warcrime.

http://www.afsc.org/pwork/0109/010918.htm


Well I can tell you this. You will di g your grave then my fireing squad will handle it from there.

See that's the difference between us. You need a firing squad. I would take pleasure in capping you myself.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 01:21 PM






But we didn't support the person that the country wanted to actually lead them did we? All we did was support another puppet. Worked out well for Diem though.


No we did not. But who cares? The Soviets did the same crap we did.



Well, we lost, show me one benefit the Russians got out of Vietnam? Their wildly successful post war economy pumped money back into the Soviet economy right? :lol: In the mean time, the U$ corporations are there raping the working class in sweat shops to make sneakers for the likes of you. I guess we can see what the U$ really wanted Nam for.


A client state and expansion of influence and economic control. And overall the prevention of Capitalism spreading to Vietnam.



Don't you find it odd that Osama had stated as one of his reasons for a holy war against the U$, was that he wanted the U$ troops out of Saudi Arabia and lo and behold, we have recently pulled our troops out? Maybe we're still friends eh?

No, he hates us because we do everything he doesn’t approve of. Remember "an enemy of my enemy is my friend."





Drug trafficking? Those are some rumors started by a burnt out hippy. I think American intell has better things to do.


Allegations. As I said the CIA has more important things to do. If you were alleging the Mossad I would believe you.




Yes, we were all very nervous that Panama would invade the U$ :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, were nervous because they controlled the Canal. Remember the Canal is a US interest and we built it.



Really...there's so much material available that documents the attacks to Iraqi civilian infrastructure that it's rediculous. Obviously FOXNEWS didn't cover that. But hey...thanks for making my point for me regarding the UN guidelines for bombing civilian infrastructure. I agree...it was a warcrime.


Yes we attack infrastructure but that doesn’t mean water treatment plants or Dams. If the Iraqis' needed water they would have requested this to the UN.




See that's the difference between us. You need a firing squad. I would take pleasure in capping you myself.


By firing squad I met me and about 5000 other men. Or my self and a Heavy machine gun,.

[Sabocat]

A client state and expansion of influence and economic control. And overall the prevention of Capitalism spreading to Vietnam.

An overall prevention of capitalism spreading to Vietnam. How terrible. How dare anyone openly support resistance to wage enslavement and exploitation.


Allegations. As I said the CIA has more important things to do. If you were alleging the Mossad I would believe you

Where do you think the money came from to supply the arms for the Iran Contra scandal? It's not like they could go to congress and just ask for the money for an illegal operation from the Appropriation Committee is it? How can you not be aware of this. Information of this drug trade is everywhere.



No, were nervous because they controlled the Canal. Remember the Canal is a US interest and we built it.

Define "built"


Canal construction began in 1904, directed by an Inter-Oceanic Canal Commission. Most of the excavation and construction was done by private contractors. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers supplied the technical guidance, and Colonel George W. Goethals served as chief engineer from 1907 to 1916. After initial plans for a sea-level canal, the commission decided on a canal with locks. The canal commission recruited more than 50,000 laborers, mostly from nearby Caribbean islands, to work on the canal. In all, another 100,000 people migrated to Panama during the construction era, adding to the diversity of Panama’s population.

Finally, the Panama Canal was completed in 1914. On August 15, 1914, the S.S. Ancon, a cement ship, was the first ship to travel through the Panama Canal. Although the Panama Canal was completed, the newspapers took no mention of the completion due to World War I that started on August 3, 1914. The total money spent on the construction of the Panama Canal was $352 million. Many people lost their lives. The total deaths were about 30,609.

3rd world labor working for slave wages (about 30 cents per day) built the Canal so that a bunch or rich shipping magnates could get richer. Hooray. Keep in mind that the Panama Canal is in....you guessed it...Panama, not the U$. That is why Jimmy Carter signed a treaty that handed over the Canal to the Panamanians in 1999/2000


Yes we attack infrastructure but that doesn’t mean water treatment plants or Dams. If the Iraqis' needed water they would have requested this to the UN.

http://www.afsc.org/pwork/0109/010918.htm

Is it reading or comprehension that you have trouble with?


No, he hates us because we do everything he doesn’t approve of

You mean like occupying a sovereign nation?

[FistFullOfSteel]

MICHEAL MOORE ROCKS!!!!!!

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 02:35 PM




No, he hates us because we do everything he doesn’t approve of




An overall prevention of capitalism spreading to Vietnam. How terrible. How dare anyone openly support resistance to wage enslavement and exploitation.


I wont debate whether it was right or wrong, I am trying to point out that it was in the interest of the Soviet Union and China for Vietnam to remain Communist and that that was their motivation, liberation is never a motive to go to war. If a war of liberation exists I am unaware of it (note: I mean where the objective is only liberation), maybe the 1st Gulf war was a liberation, I am not too sure to be honest.




Where do you think the money came from to supply the arms for the Iran Contra scandal? It's not like they could go to congress and just ask for the money for an illegal operation from the Appropriation Committee is it? How can you not be aware of this. Information of this drug trade is everywhere.


On this particular trade it is. But if you're alleging that the CIA are the largest drug traffickers in the world I'd say it is unlikely.




The Panama Canal


We paid those people, they didn’t have to work. And allot were American workers. We didn’t force them to the Canal. We paid for the equipment ect so at the time it was ours.




3rd world labor working for slave wages (about 30 cents per day) built the Canal so that a bunch or rich shipping magnates could get richer. Hooray. Keep in mind that the Panama Canal is in....you guessed it...Panama, not the U$. That is why Jimmy Carter signed a treaty that handed over the Canal to the Panamanians in 1999/2000

And he shouldn’t have done that because China has their paws in the canal now. This is the same guy who went to North Korea in 94' and worked out a deal (very successful as we can see).



Is it reading or comprehension that you have trouble with?

No, you gave me an allegation from a Quaker website.



You mean like occupying a sovereign nation?


Were we occupying a country when a bug crawled up his ass and he made that tape of him self declaring war on America? Name me a nation who hasn’t occupied another? There are some but not many.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by orange [email protected] 2 2003, 10:27 PM
What's the matter, Hampton? Is the evil white-devil still holding you down? Did some white guy beat you out for a job at the post office? You're the worst kind of racist. Why don't you admit? You know you want to. Reapeat after me. "I HATE WHITEY! I HATE WHITEY! I HATE WHITEY!" The truth will set you free. There. Don't you feel better now?
I do. I hate the white people who post stupid shit on a message board, get banned six diffrent times, then come back again and talk about his obsession of anal sex.

[Sabocat]

I wont debate whether it was right or wrong, I am trying to point out that it was in the interest of the Soviet Union and China for Vietnam to remain Communist and that that was their motivation.

They weren't actually Communist...yet. Vietnam was still trying to be (endorsed by the majority of the population). They were helping them to defeat both French and U$ imperialism.


But if you're alleging that the CIA are the largest drug traffickers in the world I'd say it is unlikely.

I never alleged that the CIA was the largest drug traffickers. Just that they were traffickers.


We paid those people, they didn’t have to work. And allot were American workers. We didn’t force them to the Canal. We paid for the equipment ect so at the time it was ours.

We paid them a pittance. A trait of exploitation that continues even today in the third world. No, a lot weren't American workers. Something more in the lines of 5000 compared to the 50,000 at any one time. And they generally weren't laborers, they were engineers etc.


And he shouldn’t have done that because China has their paws in the canal now. This is the same guy who went to North Korea in 94' and worked out a deal (very successful as we can see).

The People's Republic of China [PRC], through the Hong Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. company, which has close ties to the PRC government and People's Liberation Army [PLA], was granted a 25-year lease, with an additional 25-year option, for control of the Canal's Atlantic and Pacific Ocean ports of Balboa and Cristobal and adjacent facilities. The delegation witnessed Hutchison Whampoa conducting major construction and port facility expansion at both the Atlantic and Pacific Canal ports.

That's control of ports on either end of the canal....not the actual canal. If you object to the Chinese winning the contract for these ports, then may I also assume that you object to Bechtel being handed huge government contracts for Iraq? You should be in full support of it. It's capitalism after all.



No, you gave me an allegation from a Quaker website.

Yes, apparently you think the Quaker's have some sort of agenda. Everyone knows about the secret Quaker-al Qaeda ties.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, here are some others then.



UN role in Iraq

Dennis Halliday, a former assistant secretary general and senior UN official in Iraq, resigned in 1999 rather than administer the UN blockade. He is a predecessor of Sergio Vieira de Mello, the UN special representative killed in the Aug. 19 bombing.

Halliday, who was nominated for the 2001 Nobel Peace Prize, described the UN role in Iraq: "The West sees the UN as a benign organization, but the sad reality in much of the world is that the UN is not seen as benign. The UN Security Council has been taken over and corrupted by the U.S. and U.K., particularly with regard to Iraq, Palestine and Israel.

"In Iraq, the UN imposed sustained sanctions that probably killed up to 1 million people. Children were dying of malnutrition and water-borne diseases. The U.S. and U.K. bombed the infrastructure in 1991, destroying power, water and sewage systems against the Geneva Convention. It was a great crime against Iraq.


For this whole story see http://www.workers.org/ww/2003/uniraq0904.php

But I guess you can't really believe a former assistant secretary general right?

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...3/0202water.htm (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/consequences/2003/0202water.htm)

http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/peace/feb98/0104.html

http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html

http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2003/msg00320.html


Were we occupying a country when a bug crawled up his ass and he made that tape of him self declaring war on America?

Yes, we had troops in Saudi Arabia. His homeland. He wanted them out.

[Dark Capitalist]

Originally posted by COMRADE RAF+Sep 3 2003, 06:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (COMRADE RAF @ Sep 3 2003, 06:43 AM)
orange [email protected] 3 2003, 03:27 AM
What&#39;s the matter, Hampton? Is the evil white-devil still holding you down? Did some white guy beat you out for a job at the post office? You&#39;re the worst kind of racist. Why don&#39;t you admit? You know you want to. Reapeat after me. "I HATE WHITEY&#33; I HATE WHITEY&#33; I HATE WHITEY&#33;" The truth will set you free. There. Don&#39;t you feel better now?
Yes, he is jackass.

I fucking hate crackers. [/b]
Are you Jewish?

[Loknar]

RAF cant be a Jew, he is a Stalinist.

[Sovietski Soyuz]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 12:37 AM
RAF cant be a Jew, he is a Stalinist.
Funny, funny, Loknar.

As wrong as it was, Stalin&#39;s supposed anti-Semitism was a product of common European predjudices. It had nothing to do with communism.

[Vinny Rafarino]

You beat me to the punch comrade. Loknar is a silly one isn&#39;t he?

The perfect example of capitalist programming.


How does it feel to be a statistic Loknar?