and they have the guts to ***** about the taliban...

[Sasha]

xgmt9s

:blink:

[ComradeMan]

I can destroy this person's argument with three lines from scripture-

"Judge not that you be judged the same"- i.e. it's not up to him to judge anyone.

"Let he who has no guilt cast the first stone"- i.e. don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

"Before you cast out the plank in your neighbour's eye cast out the speck from your own"-

Ooops...

[Rafiq]

Most Fascists are openly anti democracy.

What a piece of shit this man is.

[DDR]

Woah! seems that the reactionaries in america are looking for some nationalcatholicism

[#FF0000]

Woah! seems that the reactionaries in america are looking for some nationalcatholicism

Nah. Catholics aren't very numerous in the States. Most Christians in America are Protestant, and the loudest and most political of them are the Baptists.

[gorillafuck]

Woah! seems that the reactionaries in america are looking for some nationalcatholicism
The religious right in the US isn't Catholic oriented, actually. It's grounded in primarily Baptists and then also other kinds of protestants. Far-right Christians in America often dislike Catholics.

Edit: Beaten to it

[ComradeMan]

The religious right in the US isn't Catholic oriented, actually. It's grounded in primarily Baptists and then also other kinds of protestants. Far-right Christians in America often dislike Catholics.

Edit: Beaten to it

Yeah I've come across weird stuff that said that Catholics were all some kind of Satan worshipping Roman cult and the last Pope will be the Anti-Christ in league with the international Jewish-Masonic conspiracy... blah...blah...blah. Does anyone take them seriously? More worryingly- if they are taken seriously does it say more about the message or the people who listen to the message?

[Palingenisis]

Nah. Catholics aren't very numerous in the States. Most Christians in America are Protestant, and the loudest and most political of them are the Baptists.

I looked at some of the guy's other videos. He creeps me out in a way that a lot of USAan conservatives do (you know that pan fried in the astral light look that they have in the eyes similar to Hare Krishnas or Mormons?)....But it was still interesting.

Roman Catholics tend to be more conservative than protestants on social/moral issues but much more progressive on economic and ecological issues while this guy sounds like the worst type of free marketeering Protestant with the same head in the sand attitude to the envoiriment. Infact he attacks the US Bishops a lot for having a more human approach to economics than the TEA Party.

[ComradeMan]

Roman Catholics tend to be more conservative than protestants on social/moral issues

:laugh:

Leading communist in Italy is "catholic" and gay.

Most of the communists I now, tend to be catholic... LOL!!!

Stop making sweeping generalisations....

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

So I'm a societal parasite since I'm bi... well... when the Roman Centaurian came to Jesus want him to heal his servant (the actual word in greek translates as a servant who was a {romanitic}love interest), Jesus healed his servant without question and without criticism and then proceeded to bless the Centaurion for his faith. So if Jesus is truly one with God and if he had no problem with this Centaurion being in love with another man, then it means that God doesn't care.

So all in all, this guy is an idiot like the majority of fundamentalist Christians. They desire power and by hating others and breaking them down, they are able to find this power. But in the end, they usually turn up miserable and lost.

[Nolan]

That's probably the most right wing thing I've seen lately.

[Nolan]

Political Christianity in this country ranges from a naked advocacy of a theocratic dictatorship to clannish anarcho-capitalism held together by the church.

For an example, see this (http://www.contra-mundum.org/cm/reviews/bj_civil.pdf).

Most of them though are just Reaganite liberals crusading against abortion. You'll hardly ever come in contact with anything else.

[Red Commissar]

These kinds of groups are fringe and idiotic at best. The groups who are actually doing something with policy are the ones that should be looked at. For example the religious groups in Texas and other parts of the United States (http://www.tfn.org/site/DocServer/SORR_06_ReportWEB.pdf?docID=222).

[Nolan]

Yeah I've come across weird stuff that said that Catholics were all some kind of Satan worshipping Roman cult and the last Pope will be the Anti-Christ in league with the international Jewish-Masonic conspiracy... blah...blah...blah. Does anyone take them seriously? More worryingly- if they are taken seriously does it say more about the message or the people who listen to the message?


Certainly it was something by Jack Chick.

http://www.chick.com/catalog/comics/0114.asp

[Tablo]

I liked that video. It was funny. :)

[Crimson Commissar]

:laugh:

Leading communist in Italy is "catholic" and gay.

Most of the communists I now, tend to be catholic... LOL!!!

Stop making sweeping generalisations....
Being catholic and communist is impossible, since you basically have to WORSHIP the Pope to be a catholic..

[Nolan]

:laugh:

Leading communist in Italy is "catholic" and gay.

Most of the communists I now, tend to be catholic... LOL!!!

Stop making sweeping generalisations....

I suppose they're "communists" like you, then.

"Red flags are koo guiz lets have a revolushuns! Israel is awesome!"

[Palingenisis]

I suppose they're "communists" like you, then.

"Red flags are koo guiz lets have a revolushuns! Israel is awesome!"

Palmiro Togliatti was a revisionist. The Italian Communist Party was basically social-democratic by the end of the 1940s.

[Palingenisis]

"Red flags are koo guiz lets have a revolushuns! Israel is awesome!"

ComradeMan does not support revolutions as in one class overthrowing another...He believes in "revolution" in individual minds making the world "better".

[PhoenixAsh]

well...his main argument is educated, well informed and for the good of society means thinking the same as he does

[RGacky3]

In my opinion these sort of Christians use christianity as a justification for being assholes.

scriptually in the new testiment violence, anti-nationalism, anti-war, anti capitalist is MUCH more prominant than anti-homosexual (which is mentioned once in the new testiment).

Yet the reason they focus on it is because its a way for them to judge other people, it makes them feel good to call other people sinners and try and look down on them, they have authoritarian personalities, and ultimately a weak ego.

For them christianity is'nt a way for them to live their own life and to shape hteir own viewpoint of the world, its a way for them to judge other people and feel superior.

[ComradeMan]

Palmiro Togliatti was a revisionist. The Italian Communist Party was basically social-democratic by the end of the 1940s.


The Italian Communist Party no longer exists.

The person I was referring to was just one example.

Just like there are communists and communists there are catholics and catholics. The Catholic Church at one stage was excommunicating communists in Italy- so.... people just ignored the silly bits! ;)

*As a note to another post- where have I ever gone around saying "Israel is awesome"?
:)

[Mather]

What an arsehole!

It's a shame this guy was not around in Rome circa 100 AD, he would have been a good meal for the lions.


In my opinion these sort of Christians use christianity as a justification for being assholes.

scriptually in the new testiment violence, anti-nationalism, anti-war, anti capitalist is MUCH more prominant than anti-homosexual (which is mentioned once in the new testiment).

Yet the reason they focus on it is because its a way for them to judge other people, it makes them feel good to call other people sinners and try and look down on them, they have authoritarian personalities, and ultimately a weak ego.

For them christianity is'nt a way for them to live their own life and to shape hteir own viewpoint of the world, its a way for them to judge other people and feel superior.

That or they are self-hating closet cases. Most of the Christian fundies who specifically focus on gays are usually trying to repress something.

[Viet Minh]

Wait, wut?! I seriously watched almost the whole video thinking it was satirical! Is this guy for real?!

On the point of Christianity versus Socialism/ Communism, the word Socialism was invented as the word Communist was felt to be too similar to Communion. As a whole, Christians can be conservative; anti-abortion, sexist, religiously bigoted, homophobic, and of course the whole system of modern Christianity is set out in varying forms of social hierarchy. Leftism has its roots in Christianity to some extent though, some scholars have linked it to the Reformation, and Churches could be seen as Communes, and helping the needy, sick and poor etc. But the beauty of Christianity (and most other major religions) is you can interpret them to your own ends to some extent, the Bible is the best example of this, its just a selection of writings from within a hundred or so years of Jesus that suited the purposes of the Church.

[psgchisolm]

Wait, wut?! I seriously watched almost the whole video thinking it was satirical! Is this guy for real?!

On the point of Christianity versus Socialism/ Communism, the word Socialism was invented as the word Communist was felt to be too similar to Communion. As a whole, Christians can be conservative; anti-abortion, sexist, religiously bigoted, homophobic, and of course the whole system of modern Christianity is set out in varying forms of social hierarchy. Leftism has its roots in Christianity to some extent though, some scholars have linked it to the Reformation, and Churches could be seen as Communes, and helping the needy, sick and poor etc. But the beauty of Christianity (and most other major religions) is you can interpret them to your own ends to some extent, the Bible is the best example of this, its just a selection of writings from within a hundred or so years of Jesus that suited the purposes of the Church.
inb4 militant anti-theists

[#FF0000]

On the point of Christianity versus Socialism/ Communism, the word Socialism was invented as the word Communist was felt to be too similar to Communion

That's complete and total 100% unadulterated bullshit.


On the point of Christianity versus Socialism/ Communism, the word Socialism was invented as the word Communist was felt to be too similar to Communion. As a whole, Christians can be conservative; anti-abortion, sexist, religiously bigoted, homophobic, and of course the whole system of modern Christianity is set out in varying forms of social hierarchy. Leftism has its roots in Christianity to some extent though, some scholars have linked it to the Reformation, and Churches could be seen as Communes, and helping the needy, sick and poor etc. But the beauty of Christianity (and most other major religions) is you can interpret them to your own ends to some extent, the Bible is the best example of this, its just a selection of writings from within a hundred or so years of Jesus that suited the purposes of the Church.

Eh, I wouldn't say that means that Leftism "has its roots" in religion, though. These sorts of projects and ideas like "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" have been around since time immemorial. Marxism might aim for a similar goal -- a stateless, classless, cooperative society-- but Marxism and Anarchism both come from a completely different ideological starting point than utopian socialists, in that Marxism and Anarchism are materialist.

[Thug Lessons]

That's complete and total 100% unadulterated bullshit.
lmao seriously where do they get this shit


Eh, I wouldn't say that means that Leftism "has its roots" in religion, though. These sorts of projects and ideas like "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" have been around since time immemorial. Marxism might aim for a similar goal -- a stateless, classless, cooperative society-- but Marxism and Anarchism both come from a completely different ideological starting point than utopian socialists, in that Marxism and Anarchism are materialist.

Uhh, what? Marx makes a big deal about materialism but his method was based heavily on Hegel who was basically the definition of idealism, ("turned on its head" whatever don't care), and his "ideological starting point", if anything, was the French utopian socialism of Saint-Simon. As for anarchism I don't really know enough to comment, I suppose it could be materialist but it's often highly idealist a la Chomsky. I mean, I don't disagree that contemporary communism has its roots in religion no more than any other modern secular ideology, but the reasons you're giving for that don't make any sense.

[#FF0000]

Uhh, what? Marx makes a big deal about materialism but his method was based heavily on Hegel who was basically the definition of idealism, ("turned on its head" whatever don't care), and his "ideological starting point",

"Starting point" was the wrong word, I guess.

[Thug Lessons]

Then I'm confused as to what exactly you're saying. Marx's communism is a product of history just like everything else, and Europe's history has been defined by, among other things, idealism and Christianity. Marx's innovation in this area was to outline how religion and idealism act as distractions from or even enemies of social progress, not to somehow divorce the communist movement from historical context.

[#FF0000]

Then I'm confused as to what exactly you're saying. Marx's communism is a product of history just like everything else, and Europe's history has been defined by, among other things, idealism and Christianity. Marx's innovation in this area was to outline how religion and idealism act as distractions from or even enemies of social progress, not to somehow divorce the communist movement from historical context.

Yup.

I was just making the point that Marxism is a materialist philosophy and utopian socialism is not.

[Viet Minh]

inb4 militant anti-theists

I am anti-theist as well, without a doubt, thats not to say I want to cut their heads off and parade them around the village square..


That's complete and total 100% unadulterated bullshit.


lmao seriously where do they get this shit

Sorry I was reading Wikipedia again. :blushing:


Eh, I wouldn't say that means that Leftism "has its roots" in religion, though. These sorts of projects and ideas like "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" have been around since time immemorial. Marxism might aim for a similar goal -- a stateless, classless, cooperative society-- but Marxism and Anarchism both come from a completely different ideological starting point than utopian socialists, in that Marxism and Anarchism are materialist.

I prefer to differentiate Leftism from Religion and Spiritualism with the terms 'realist' and 'fantasist' :D :p