understanding the chinese legislative system.

[danyboy27]

I tried several time to understand how this nonsense work, but so far i am unable to comprehend the structure of the chinese governement.

I know that the member of the ''communist party'' have some kind of voting power, and i know that some member of the party can be elected to be in the executive, but beside that, the whole set of complicated explanation that i found on the chinese governement website was rather confusing.

[Demogorgon]

Basically speaking local Government is elected directly (with awkward candidates normally kept out of the way of course) and then elects the next higher tier of Government and so on until the national legislature is elected. The Communist Party makes sure that the pool of candidates they choose from is both pretty small and doesn't contain anyone who will rock the boat too much.

[ComradeMan]

One party dictatorship if you ask me.

[danyboy27]

One party dictatorship if you ask me.

a dictatorship implies that there is a dictator.

[ComradeMan]

a dictatorship implies that there is a dictator.

Dictatorship of the proletariat?

Dictatorship of a party?


A government controlled by one person, or a small group of people. In this form of government the power rests entirely on the person or group of people, and can be obtained by force or by inheritance. The dictator(s) may also take away much of its peoples' freedom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship

La dittatura è una forma autoritaria (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Autoritarismo) di governo (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Governo) in cui il potere (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Potere) è accentrato in un solo organo, se non addirittura nelle mani del solo dittatore (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Dittatore), non limitato da leggi (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Legge), costituzioni (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Costituzione), o altri fattori politici (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Politica) e sociali interni allo Stato (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Stato).
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dittatura#Dittature_attuali

[Demogorgon]

a dictatorship implies that there is a dictator.
Well Hu springs to mind, though of course the system is much more complicated than that. He shares power with a number of other actors in the system though he is of course at the head. The system is becoming less and less focused on who sits at the head of it and the elite at the head of the system are definitely becoming more collegial, but the inner core of the Communist Party leadership are definitely dictators.

[danyboy27]

Dictatorship of the proletariat?

Dictatorship of a party?


A government controlled by one person, or a small group of people. In this form of government the power rests entirely on the person or group of people, and can be obtained by force or by inheritance. The dictator(s) may also take away much of its peoples' freedom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship

La dittatura è una forma autoritaria (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Autoritarismo) di governo (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Governo) in cui il potere (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Potere) è accentrato in un solo organo, se non addirittura nelle mani del solo dittatore (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Dittatore), non limitato da leggi (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Legge), costituzioni (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Costituzione), o altri fattori politici (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Politica) e sociali interni allo Stato (http://www.revleft.com/wiki/Stato).
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dittatura#Dittature_attuali

when an elite control a governement its not a dictatorship but an aristocracy.

[ComradeMan]

when an elite control a governement its not a dictatorship but an aristocracy.

I don't agree. It's far to easy to see dictatorships in simplistic terms as the rule of one person, i.e. a dictator like Saddam or Mussolini, but they always had a party or a group behind them- they can't do it alone.

When one party rules a country to the exclusion of others then in my opinion that's a form of dictatorship.

Aristocracy has it's similarities but there are differences too in that the heriditary nature of aristocracies etc puts a different perspective on things.

I suppose on the other hand, you could argue that it's old wine in new bottles all the damn time anyway. ;)

[ComradeOm]

I tried several time to understand how this nonsense work, but so far i am unable to comprehend the structure of the chinese governementIt is horribly complicated. I used to have a pretty detailed flowchart (which was itself a nightmare to understand) so I'll see if I can find that somewhere

To be honest though, I wouldn't bother with a constitutional approach. Authority in China, like the USSR, does not simply flow through formal bodies. A lot of these are either ceremonial or purely administrative, with real power lying elsewhere. How the system works can often be very different from how it is supposed to work or how it is laid out on paper

[danyboy27]

I don't agree. It's far to easy to see dictatorships in simplistic terms as the rule of one person, i.e. a dictator like Saddam or Mussolini, but they always had a party or a group behind them- they can't do it alone.

When one party rules a country to the exclusion of others then in my opinion that's a form of dictatorship.

Aristocracy has it's similarities but there are differences too in that the heriditary nature of aristocracies etc puts a different perspective on things.

I suppose on the other hand, you could argue that it's old wine in new bottles all the damn time anyway. ;)
What is important is the General will, and if a group of elite or a dictator is able to satisfy its people need and aspiration,he or they somehow fufill a ''democratic'' role.

In a dictatorship/autocratic regime, the elite surround the leader, in a aristocratic system, the aristocracy appoint the leader.

There is a concensus in an aristocracy, not so much in a dictatorship.

That why a dictatorship is more than often less stable than an aristocracy.

[ComradeMan]

What is important is the General will, and if a group of elite or a dictator is able to satisfy its people need and aspiration,he or they somehow fufill a ''democratic'' role..

Benevolent dictators?

You sound like Niccolò Macchiavelli. ;)



In a dictatorship/autocratic regime, the elite surround the leader, in a aristocratic system, the aristocracy appoint the leader.

There is a concensus in an aristocracy, not so much in a dictatorship.

Mussolini was "appointed"- legally. ;)

But I still think you see the leader too much and not the group around the leader. Like I said before, the leader doesn't just get to be leader one day.


That why a dictatorship is more than often less stable than an aristocracy.

Are you sure?

Anyway, out of interest would you describe the Arab Sheikhs/Sultans/Kings as aristocrats, monarchs, autocrats or dictators?

[danyboy27]

Benevolent dictators?

You sound like Niccolò Macchiavelli. ;)

he made a lot of interesting point in the price.




Mussolini was "appointed"- legally. ;)
But I still think you see the leader too much and not the group around the leader. Like I said before, the leader doesn't just get to be leader one day.

its not about how a dictator come in power, its about how the power is distributed in the governement when he seize power. that the verry difference between a dictatorship and a aristocracy.




Anyway, out of interest would you describe the Arab Sheikhs/Sultans/Kings as aristocrats, monarchs, autocrats or dictators?
A monarch is basicly a dictator and dictators are autocrats.

[RGacky3]

In the Chineese system, along with the Soviet system and really the US system, formal positions are really not the seat of power, if you want to understand how policy gets decided see how the communist party authority works, not neccesarily how the formal government works.

The same with the US, see whos paying who.

[#FF0000]

he made a lot of interesting point in the price.

The Prince was satire. Fun Facts!