what kind of leftist?

[ColonelCossack]

what part of the proletarian movement do you support?

[ColonelCossack]

minor typo- right wing politics is by definition not left wing and neithernis other, necessarily.

[The Man]

I voted Anarchist since I'm an Anarcho-Communist.

[Delenda Carthago]

anarchostalinist

[Magón]

Anarchist.

[PilesOfDeadNazis]

"Stalinist" isn't a real thing. "Stalinists" are Marxist-Leninists who hold that Stalin correctly carried out Marxist-Leninist policies.

And you can't be a Leninist, "Stalinist" or Trotskyist without also being a Marxist.

[Tommy4ever]

I put myself down as Marxist.

You might as well put Leninist, Stalinist and Trotskyist all in one ideology. I know they all hate eachother but ideologically they are pretty close together and they are all Marxists anyway.

[bcbm]

fascist

[Widerstand]

I find it somewhat hard to decide between Anarchist and Marxist here... I voted Marxist, but Anarchist would work as well.



And you can't be a Leninist, "Stalinist" or Trotskyist without also being a Marxist.

You can be a Marxist without being a Leninist (arguable), Stalinist or Trotskyist though.

[Ocean Seal]

Why is supporter of right-wing politics a choice, this isn't even OI?

In any case I am a sectarian Randist-Beckist because the free market will solve all my problems. And taxation is theft obviously :closedeyes:.

Edit: I voted for supporter of right wing politics, which appears to be tied with the actual largest group on here the anarchists.

Also there happens to be a poll for this somewhere and you could check group registration to get a rough estimate of how large each group is on here.

More or less for every 11 anarchists there are 7 Marxist-Leninists, 5 Trotskyists and 5 Left-Communists. Although a few anarchists are also registered in the left-comm group... But it would be around 4-5 Left Communists for every 11 anarchists.

[Robocommie]

fascist

The individual must suborn his will to the People, and look good in skinny jeans while doing so

[Q]

Marxist.

I'm trying to go back to the political roots Marx was arguing for: the formation of the working class as a collective entity (not much disagreement here with the other currents) through the building of a political party-movement containing vast layers of our class and striving to organise the whole class, independently from the capitalist state or the bosses, be it strictly political or more loosely within alternative culture institutions. The point is to take over power as a collective and internationally within the core capitalist countries. For this reason democracy is the focal point of our fight as it is that which brings us to power to establish what Engels called the Democratic Republic, or what we would now call the Soviet or Council Republic, as a radical democratic form of working class state.

To nutshell: Working class independence, democracy, internationalism.

[Widerstand]

Why is supporter of right-wing politics a choice, this isn't even OI?

Because Maoism isn't an option.

(see what I did there?)




















(just kidding Maoists)

[Ravachol]

Insurrectionary Conservative

[William Howe]

Trotskyist, with some Leninist-Marxist and Luxemburgist ideas mixed in.

[Tablo]

Anarchist = Libertarian

Voted Anarchist though.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Monarcho-Syndicalist.

Nobility gotta organize!

[Blackscare]

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/1/7/f9c11dfe-d44e-4b0f-8a1a-4400eb217373.jpg


Why is it that always on these polls the OP lists "Marxism" seperate from Leninism, Trotskyism, etc?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Why is it that always on these polls the OP lists "Marxism" seperate from Leninism, Trotskyism, etc?

and why is there always a distinction between Stalinism and Trotskyism made:confused:

[Blackscare]

and why is there always a distinction between Stalinism and Trotskyism made:confused:
If you're being sarcastic, I don't think the point you're trying to make really applies. Clearly Stalinism and Trotskyism are divergent groupings, but both are Marxist. Maybe Marxist means "other", but then doesn't "other" mean "other"? I have a feeling that Rosa's gonna go off on me about the law of identity or some shit.

[Rusty Shackleford]

If you're being sarcastic, I don't think the point you're trying to make really applies. Clearly Stalinism and Trotskyism are divergent groupings, but both are Marxist. Maybe Marxist means "other", but then doesn't "other" mean "other"? I have a feeling that Rosa's gonna go off on me about the law of identity or some shit.
I was goofing around.

they are both marxist, and have their foundation in leninism.

[Widerstand]

Maybe Marxist means "other", but then doesn't "other" mean "other"?

To be frank I don't know what "other" could meaningfully refer to, except "Post-Structuralism" (even Social Democrats would be Marxists to some extent). Arguably a kind of revolutionary leftism, yet I don't think there are many non-Marxist/non-Anarchist Post-Structuralists around. Every other tendency I can think of either falls within the broad range of Anarchism (which should really be split up in at least "social Anarchism" and "individualist Anarchism IMO) or Marxism.

It Makes sense however to differ between Marxism and L/T/S. As far as I'm aware, Council Communists are non-Leninist Marxists (I could be wrong here), and I assume similar could be said about Situationists (I might be wrong here, but I think they reject Leninism?) - maybe also Insurrectionary Communists. Post-Operaismo, or at least Autonomous Marxism could also be said to be non-Leninist Marxism (though originating from Leninism).

The distinction between Leninism and Trotskyism / Stalinism certainly makes sense. There are Leninist tendencies which are neither Trotskyist nor Stalinist, for example early Operaismo, and I believe some identifying as ML would reject parts of both Trotskyism and Stalinism (or embrace parts of both). Stalinism as a distinction definitely makes sense. Beyond the point that there are people identifying as Stalinists, it also leads up to other tendencies such as Hoxhaism or Maoism (why Maoism is missing here is completely beyond me).

[revolution inaction]

I'm not a leftist, and anarchists and libertarians are the same thing, and why are there 4 types of marxist listed by only one for anarchists?

[Left]

I got no idea what I am lol, all I know is i'm far to the left but some days i feel more like a democratic socialist/social democrat.

[Proukunin]

I voted Marxist, I think all ideologies that represent communism should be Marxism.

[Magón]

I voted Marxist, I think all ideologies that represent communism should be Marxism.

http://implied.facepalm.de/facepalm_implied.jpg

[bricolage]

Obamaist without adjectives.

[Delenda Carthago]

I was goofing around.

they are both marxist, and have their foundation in leninism.
Trotskyism does not have its roots in leninism.Matter of fact, Trotsky before joining the bolsheviks and starting kissing Lenin's ass, he was very much against leninism.

[Q]

Trotskyism does not have its roots in leninism.Matter of fact, Trotsky before joining the bolsheviks and starting kissing Lenin's ass, he was very much against leninism.

Matter of fact: "Leninism" didn't exist until after Lenin died.

[Delenda Carthago]

Matter of fact: "Leninism" didn't exist until after Lenin died.
and what was the escence of it?

[9]

social-proletocratic anarcho-shachtmanite with wahhabist sympathies.

[scarletghoul]

trtot 4 lyfe

also can we make a 'useless tendency related polls' subforum

[Robocommie]

social-proletocratic anarcho-shachtmanite with wahhabist sympathies.

Does that come with soup or salad?

[gorillafuck]

Is Al-Qaeda a tendency?

[9]

Does that come with soup or salad?

http://www.chainsawbuffet.com/pics/borscht/borscht.jpg

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Democratic-Anarcho-Marx-Syndi-burgist who sympathizes towards anyone that is batshit insane and is willing to throw actual batshit at people who disagree...-ist

[sologdin]

"other" could meaningfully refer to,

non-marxist socialism? my appreciation is that there were plenty of socialist groups during the time of the first international.

not impossible that some blanquist or saint-simonian shows up here.

and there's plenty of democratic socialist and social democratic members of the current socialist international--doubtful that they all adhere to marxist theory.


thing is, the poll could've been expanded to include as many sects, tendencies, theorists as one might want:

pre-grundrisse-marx marxist
cliffite
pre-1905 russian SDP
schactmanite
pre-history and class cosnciousness luckasian
laclau & mouffist
spectres of marx derridian
post-mao maoist
greek titoist

and so on. we can pile on the distinctions to the point of self-parody.