Israel declares all out war on Hamas!!

[thevan]

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09...east/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/01/mideast/index.html)

We need to show our opposition to Israel's actions. Post any protests or rallies in your area. If there aren't any yet, organize one. Together we can make our voices heard.

[Zombie]

and why not show our opposition to Hamas itself? Are you saying the suicide bombers actions are more justified than Israel's state terrorism?

[il Commy]

The demonstration that was:
http://www.gush-shalom.org/actions/target_eng.html

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 08:02 PM
and why not show our opposition to Hamas itself? Are you saying the suicide bombers actions are more justified than Israel's state terrorism?
The crimes of Israel are crimes comitted by an oppressive country and are aimed to support the occupation. The crimes of Hamas are the crimes of clerics leading the workers wrongly and are aimed to overthrow the occupation.

We communist are not pacifist, we don't condem any kind of violence, we search for it's class-sources. And since the israeli crimes are the cause of the islamic crimes, and since the israeli violence is meant to support imperialism and the islamic violence overthrow it (though they won't succeed with terror), we condem the zionist crimes alot more.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 06:02 AM
and why not show our opposition to Hamas itself? Are you saying the suicide bombers actions are more justified than Israel's state terrorism?
To blow yourself up you have to have no hope left in this world. And this is the reason why so many Palestinians are degrading to this level. Why are they really doing this? Because Israel have kicked them out of their homeland, and have nowhere to go.

I would say that they are definately more justified that Israeli imperialism.

[Zombie]

lol, sure, go fight fire with fire. dat'll help lads.
the israelis go kill some hamas militants, the hamas retaliates with suicide bombers, israel returns the favor itself on civilian palestinian infrastructures and so on and so on. IT'S A FUCKING VICIOUS CIRCLE. if you think any peace will be achieved with this sort of violence from both sides, then you need to read into History a lot more.
It never worked. It doesn't work. It will never work.

as desperate as one person can be, it gives her no excuse to kill another innocent family.
I mourn the death of an innocent Palestinian boy as much as the death of an innocent Israeli girl. If you think I am wrong, then go to Palestine, and enroll as a suicide bomber yourself. We'll see how tough you can be.

[BuyOurEverything]

To blow yourself up you have to have no hope left in this world
Or you've been mindfucked into believing you'll be a martyr and ascend to heaven where you'll have your 70 dark eyed virgins. How can you support the murder of innocents at all? Does the fact that you hapopen to be in a richer country at a given time mean that you deserve to be killed? Just because someone opposes the same person you oppose does NOT mean they are your ally.

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 12:00 AM
lol, sure, go fight fire with fire. dat'll help lads.
the israelis go kill some hamas militants, the hamas retaliates with suicide bombers, israel returns the favor itself on civilian palestinian infrastructures and so on and so on. IT'S A FUCKING VICIOUS CIRCLE. if you think any peace will be achieved with this sort of violence from both sides, then you need to read into History a lot more.
It never worked. It doesn't work. It will never work.

as desperate as one person can be, it gives her no excuse to kill another innocent family.
I mourn the death of an innocent Palestinian boy as much as the death of an innocent Israeli girl. If you think I am wrong, then go to Palestine, and enroll as a suicide bomber yourself. We'll see how tough you can be.
It indeed is a vicious circle. Yet the responsibility on it fall on the shoulders of the israeli goverment, since Israel is the occupying and oppressive country. The Hamas certanily doesn't help, it only worsens the reaction among israeli workers, but they are not the cause of the bloodshed, the imperialism is. The israeli bourgeois class is responsible for the years long bloody occupation and therefor is responsible for the establishment of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Only the dismantling of all settlements and the withdrawl of all IDF soldiers from Palestine (Gaza & West Bank) can assure the end of bloodshed and will open the way for a peace with the return of the refugees and the unification of the country. Of course this could only happen under socialism.

We must protest against israeli militirist actions in the occupied terrorists, not against misguided national librety fighters.

[Chewillneverdie]

i think Isreal has a right to do what the fuck they want, jesus they didnt ask to be put in that kind of situation, they had no place to go so a country was made for them. Isreal is just trying to live, look what the fucks in Egypt tried to do to them. I stand by them instead of fuckin palestine who need to get their heads out of their ass's. just combine the 2 countries and every1s happy, or not haha one of the 2

[Urban Rubble]

Look kid, I don't know who the fuck you are but I've read 2 posts of yours and you've pissed me off twice. Don't come with such an aggressive attitude when no one has said SHIT to you.

This is the thing with Israel, yes, they have a right to a sovreign state, but Palestine does too. The Israelis are occupying Palenstenian land. You know exactly what will happen if they are combined into one state, chaos. They need to have 2 seperate states.

The problem people have with Israel is not that they want their own state, it's that they condemn suicide bombers as terrorists, yet they think it is perfectly O.K to fly Apache helicopters in and blow up an entire civilain apartment building. That isn't terrorism to them. And to top that off, they have complete immunity in the region because good ole Uncle Sam is backing them, giving them helicopters and weapons, basically telling the Middle East that if you fuck with Israel you fuck with the U.S.

[Zombie]

That isn't terrorism to them.

exactly, most of the israeli population have been brainwashed to think that they are in a self-defensive position and that it gives them the right to bombard Palestinian infrastructure in the name of national security.

Same thing with Bush and his crusade against the thirdworld... Ooh i mean his war against terrorism... <_<

Chewillneverdie, explain to me as to how the Palestinians have their heads stuck in their asses please? In the future, please refrain to use such childish insults against a people you, obviously, know nothing of. Thank you.

[Chewillneverdie]

haha yeah Isreal is a damn touchy subject but i think something needs to be done about it, yeah Isreali&#39;s do horrible shit too. but jesus theyve gone through so much shit. Im tired of everyone coming down on them because they were placed there. What about the terrorist fucks who executed isreali olympians? do they not diserve justice for the shit like that? yeah they should handle it diff. but how would u handle it?

[Urban Rubble]

Noam Chomsky said it best "The best way to stop terrorism ? Stop participating in it.".

[BuyOurEverything]

[QUOTE]Noam Chomsky said it best "The best way to stop terrorism ? Stop participating in it."[QUOTE]

100% correct on both sides.

[REDWARRIOR]

Both parties here are guilty. Do they even really remember what they are fighting for? I do believe that a palestinian state needs to be created, as Isreal was stolen from them when it was created..well the land at least. But the terrorism needs to stop, they are just killin inoccent civilians who really have no say in what isreal does, and like wise isreal needs to stop all their god damn excursions and strikes in palestine. Like it&#39;s peace full and then they do a missle strike, wtf do they expect hamas to do, sit there and take that missile up teh ass? hell no&#33; If isreal just pulled out of all palestinian territories completly and gave them gaza strip and west bank, a lot of the bloodshed could be avoided. Like are these 2 territories any use to isreal? really.