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el_chavista
25th January 2011, 00:25
I found this article (http://www.obywatel.org.pl/index.php?module=pagemaster&func=viewpub&tid=3&pid=567) and the using of the German term Kulturkampf to describe the promoting by the comprador bourgeoisie of the metropolitan elite's ethic: individualism, priority of rights over responsibilities, consumerism, all of which clashes against local culture practices and traditions, even the habits, anything that hinders or obstructs the capital's expansion.
By the same token, there is a comprador intelligentsia which defends the neoliberal ideology and here I see a similarity with our propagandistic struggle in Venezuela against the mass media, universities, NGOs, the church, etc.
Can we conclude that the 3rd world has an anti-imperialistic Kulturkampf for motives as national issues besides religions like the islam?
Widerstand
25th January 2011, 01:01
Kulturkampf is the German translation of "Clash Of Civilizations", which is not such a new concept (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_of_Civilizations).
From a quick glance (on the OPs summary and my crappy translation prog), this article spews the same shit as Huntington, but from the other perspective.
Ocean Seal
25th January 2011, 01:02
Certainly many people in urban areas tend to consume more than those in rural areas because there is a larger amount of capital in these areas. The comprador bourgeoisie have a very large influence in the area and oftentimes the cities are placed of strong anti-communist sentiment in Latin America, and champion neoliberalism. However, I wouldn't consider the people living in urban areas an elite as many of them are poor and or working class by US standards, although they have considerable wealth compared to the rural population. But by any consideration the damage that the comprador bourgeoisie have done is very large.
And yes there is a strong anti-imperialist nationalist sentiment which is greatest in rural areas and often reflects anti-capitalism. However, I don't think that Kulturkamph exists as a cultural influence (the rejection of the capitalist lifestyle) but rather I feel as if capitalism doesn't have much influence on rural areas because it doesn't offer them much as they don't have much money to spend. And as the American economic situation has worsened people in the cities people are starting to complain about bourgeois democracy. So I'm pretty sure that the comprador bourgeoisie influence will wane for some time.
Die Neue Zeit
25th January 2011, 04:38
By the same token, there is a comprador intelligentsia which defends the neoliberal ideology and here I see a similarity with our propagandistic struggle in Venezuela against the mass media, universities, NGOs, the church, etc.
Can we conclude that the 3rd world has an anti-imperialistic Kulturkampf for motives as national issues besides religions like the islam?
I don't see enough Kulturkampf being pursued in the name of anti-imperialism, though I would love to see this. Despite Bismarck's miserable failure as an Anti-Socialist oppressor, give him credit for curtailing the power of the Vatican in the unification of Germany (i.e., when the German word was first used).
ComradeOm
25th January 2011, 16:16
Kulturkampf is the German translation of "Clash Of Civilizations", which is not such a new concept (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_of_Civilizations).
From a quick glance (on the OPs summary and my crappy translation prog), this article spews the same shit as Huntington, but from the other perspective.Out of curiosity, does Kulturkampf in German specifically refer to Bismarck's anti-Catholic campaigns? This is typically the only time that the expression is used in English
Interestingly, when used in a non-19th C German politics context, the phrase tends to describe similar state-led campaigns against minority positions. I've never seen it used with a 'clash of civilisations' meaning. Well, its interesting to me at least
Widerstand
25th January 2011, 20:42
Out of curiosity, does Kulturkampf in German specifically refer to Bismarck's anti-Catholic campaigns? This is typically the only time that the expression is used in English
Interestingly, when used in a non-19th C German politics context, the phrase tends to describe similar state-led campaigns against minority positions. I've never seen it used with a 'clash of civilisations' meaning. Well, its interesting to me at least
oops it seems I got carried away by the sound of the OP. Kulturkampf seems to refer to Bismarck's campaigns, yes. The translation for "clash of civilizations" appears to be "Kampf der Kulturen" (basically the same meaning, though).
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