Alliance of Revolutionary Communists

[stonerboi]

For all people in Britain, I am in the process of forming the Alliance of Revolutionary Communists (ARC).

The ARC is NOT another party and is NOT a split from one of the many far-left parties in Britain.

The ARC is to be a group that will be made up of individuals who are already members of existing parties (and people who are members of NONE of the parties). I am a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) and those who wish to join the ARC can do so if they are members from anything from the CPB (Morning Star), AWL, ISG, NCP, CPGB, SWP, SP, WP and many other groups besides.

The reason for the ARC is that the ARC should be used as group that can bring about the eventual unification of many of the far-left groups into a single mass-workers party.

The Socialist Alliance (SA) is a step in that direction, but it is only a coalition of many groups/parties that get together at elections, but the rest of the time becomes dormant. The class struggle is everlasting and won't end until communism. Therefore unity is needed not only in elections, but all the time as the class struggle is a day-to-day process that never sleeps. From strikes to demos and direct action to solidarity campaigns (anti-war/anti-racist events) these events are symbols and the battles of the class struggle. Therefore a single mass-workers party with a revolutionary socialist programme is needed for the class struggle to evolve into the struggle for working-class power and communism.

The ARC also is opposed to a workers party forming alliances with non-working class/anti-working class parties like the Green Party and the Scottish and Welsh nationalists.

To defeat capitalism means that politics needs to be organised on a class basis and with a explicit socialist programme!

The ARC should also in time set up study cirlces to develope Marxist thinking and ideology and to analyise other concepts like Leninism, Maoism, Trotskyism and other tendecies of Marxist thought.

The existing parties/groups either do not bother developing Marxist thought/ideas with their members or they hand members down the 'offical party line' in regards to ideology and this leaves the respective members either lacking in knowledge of Marxism or having a very narrow view of it.

The ARC will be in favour of OPEN and free-thinking debate and will look at all aspects of Marxist ideology without being biased to any particular side.

The ARC will also be an activist group that involves itself in as many progressive campaigns as possible from that anti-war movement, anti-racist and anti-fascist movement, anti-capitalist movement and also smaller campaigns like defending council housing from cutbacks, defending public services (NHS and education), defending public transport and defending trade union rights and civil liberties in general!

If you are interested in the ARC then write in to the below e-mail:

[email protected]

[Collective]

As a member of the CPGB, do you think that after the revolution we should all be allowed to sleep with 11 year olds boys? :rolleyes:

[stonerboi]

Elaborate on thsi pathetic insult!

If you don't have anything useful to say keep your mouth shut.

As usual any debate about real issues is ignored and dumb insults is all petty-sectarians such as yourself can come up with.

Fuck off dickhead!!!

[Collective]

The CPGB wants to abolish the age of consent totally. The Weekly Worker has published letters by paedophiles boasting about their exploits, including one 30 something detailing his relationship with an 11 year old boy.

I think the idea that is out there that they are funded by MI5 to make everyone look bad is not too ridiculous.

[Cassius Clay]

Perhaps you could provide a reliable source for that claim.

[Collective]

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/464/panic.html


Blunkett is doing his best to live up to his reputation as the most rightwing home secretary since Churchill - and his new extensions to the sexual offences legislation also mark him out as a most profoundly ignorant man.

The New Labour cabinet is so enthralled with America that they cannot stand anything which is significantly different to operate here. Hence we are on the first step to mark up the age of consent another two years to take it in line with the general America model of 18. So what is he saying? Modern kids of 16 are less developed, less well informed, less able to understand sex and consent than 16-year-olds in the 1940s or 1930s? Facts and science tell us quite the reverse: your average 13-year-old today is at least as mature and sexually informed as your average 16-year-old 30 years ago.

Maturity and sexuality and social awareness is happening younger and younger and yet here we have a home secretary trying to lock up puberty, and enforce laws which pretend ‘childhood’ and ‘innocence’ now extend into late teenage. In schizoid double-speak he pretends that a child under 11 cannot consent to sex. Even if they do they cannot by law because they could not possibly know what it is. However, a child under 11 can consent to murder someone and fully understand the consequences of that action.

An adult who has sex with an actually consenting under-11-year-old will now be subject to life imprisonment for rape. So a sexual encounter freely entered into between the youngster and the adult is equivalent to murdering someone. There is no distinction between actual physical rape - being dragged from the street and sexually violated - and a tender, consensual sexual encounter, no matter how voluntarily entered into or, it seems, how casual the level of contact.

The whole hoo-ha about ‘grooming’ over the internet - making contact with youngsters as a prelude to expected sexual encounters further down the track - totters on the brink of actually banning friendships between adults and children under any circumstances, on the basis that this too could be ‘grooming’ for sex at some future date. Voyeurism - just looking at an under-age girl, for example, who voluntarily takes her clothes off - is now for the first time also a crime, even without inducement, threat or bribe. Just seeing an under-age body is vile enough to warrant imprisonment.

The whole nightmare comes on the crest of a tabloid obsession with adults and kids having sex and the total reinvention of paedophilia - from murder to a tender embrace - as being one and the same thing. Brutality toward a child is the same thing as its direct opposite. From hating children to loving them too much henceforth will be paedophilia and a child will now be anyone up to 18 years old.

It seems now impossible to open a newspaper without a flurry of paedophile stories and pervert revelations - even the BBC now peppers its national news with such sexually perverted titbits for the good folk at home to tut-tut over or, worse, go looking for the baseball bat and some hapless ‘pervert’ to beat up. Britain is rapidly becoming one of the most sexually repressive and hung-up countries in the world, and it looks to me like things are going to get worse.

The prison-building business just got set for a massive new expansion and many thousands more just got set up for the slammer, with all these baying wolves at the door of anyone marked out as a ‘pervert’. This is getting a very scary place to live.

John Hughes
Hull

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/459/letters.html#jhughes

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/461/consent.html

Thats just a few from a quick google search. I remember a worse one than that.

Off their Trot trolleys.

The CPGB are in all honestly a ridiculous ultra-left sect. They make the SWP look like a good bunch of people.

As much as it might sound otherwise, I dislike sectarianism. But you can't help it with complete ultra-leftists. I respect parties like the CPB, NCP and a few others for being serious dedicated communists. They know there won't be a revolution tomorrow, know that we standing around selling a paper that only attacks other left groups won't bring about socialism.

Lenin warned us that left wing communism was an 'infantile disorder'. He was absolutely right...its just the CPGB took the infant part a little too far.

[stonerboi]

Well if your (Collective's) allegations are true, then all I can say is this:

*I PERSONALLY (which means that this is the way I think, regardless of the 'party line') think that children should expect civil protection from ALL abuse, not just sexual but protection from violence (mostly from their own family members here), poverty and ignorance. Many right-wing moralists and christian fundamentalists think that ONLY sexual abuse harms children, it does not. A childs life can just be as damaged by parental neglect, growing up in poverty, lack of education, lack of decent health care. Also under the age of 18 ALL people in this country are deied any democratic rights. I believe that people should vote at 16, since they can pay taxes at 16, they should have a proper minimum wage and total and full job protection and workers rights to prevent explotation of tenage labour. Of course the right-wingers are never goin to demand these child rights, as it would mean businesses would have to pay up and it would portray their cherished 'nuclear traditional family' image. I have no truk with child abuse and forced sex/rape at what ever age, but I will not take the lazy option of dismissing teenage sexuality with the CRAP that these right-wingers come out with.

* As I have said any forced sex or rape is in my eyes a form of oppression and a denial of human freedom for the child! Therefore I would see any unconsenual sexual act which invloves force as a crime!

* However on the question of the age of consent, this is not just a question of old men in trenchcoats palying around with underage kids. Most sexual activity for under-16s occurs with other under-16s. Therefore it is far more common for a 15 year old boy to have sex with a 14 year old girl. Many teenagers have sex before 16. In the USA the statistics are that 55% of teenagers have lost their virginity BEFORE the age of 16! Yes if a grown up adult forces a child into sex then prosecute him, but the man should be prosecuted for rape, violent assualt and denial of the child's rights. The age of consent (ie: you will go to prison/fined for having sex under 16) must be abolished, because it HARMS the very people it claims to protect, children! Why should two teenagers be punished for having sex at 15, the law and the government have no business in that area! In short protect children from all forms of abuse by elders, but dont punish them for sexual experimentation eps. as most have sex just a year or two before the age of consent limit. A new law in needed to protect children from rape and abuse but the sexual freedoms of teenagers must be defended and so the agae of consent law has to go as it represents a reactionary and out of date social view put in place by politicians who go of with prostitutes and preists who abuse young kids themselves! Laws must defends kids (in all possible ways but must not end up oppressing them)!

[Vinny Rafarino]

SB whart the hell are you doing? We need to talk.

[stonerboi]

And in reply to your post on the Weekly Worker extract, if Blunkett is wanting to up the age of consent to 18 then it MUST be opposed at all costs! Anyone who supports Blunkett on this one is a fascist!

I lost my virginity at 16 and Collective, I am sure you have many friends who have lost their virginity between the ages of 15-18. Would you want to see them in prison so as to satisfy the blood lust of looney right-wingers like the BNP and the Sun and the Daily Mail?

As for your claim NOT to be sectarian, thats a complete joke! Why, because you just destroyed all of what you said with a further petty sectarian comments, most of which are baseless and show you to be completley ignorant. I was an SWP member and if you think there better than the CPGB then why don't you get off your fat arse and join them? After a month you'll be out of the SWP.

Anyways if you read my original post it was actually asking people if they want to get involved in UNITING the left! I am sick of petty sectrianism, whether it be Trotskyist or Stalinist. But obvioulsy you do not want the left to be united, because it would mean that you and the CPB would have to submerge with others and become just a part of something a lot bigger! No you would rather keep your little sect (CPB) and remain an out of date historical soceity with a rather unhealthy nostalga for the USSR of the 1970s (when the USSR turned into a corrupt dictaorship and an imperialist tyranny equal to that of the USA). It just shows that you and your CPB put your own party interests BEFORE the interests of the working class and people in general. Just like the USSR when it put it's own narrow nationalist and imperialist interests before communist internationalism. Well any group or state that puts it's interests before the working class has no right to call itself socialist, let alone communist! You can use Lenin's attacks all you want on 'ultra-leftism'. If it is the 'ultra-leftists' who fight for global revolution and will not make any shoddy compramises with the capitalist class and oppose all petty reformism, Then yes I am an 'ultra-leftist' and I am fucking pround of it. Better than being a shitty little noe-Stalinist who thinks that by 'talking nice' to the Labour Party, there going to achieve anything. Your 'British Road to Socialism' has been around for 50 years and has achieved fuck all. So don't blame others if your own CPB fucks thing up.

Before I go, I am now going to stick to the original topic, which was on setting up a group that will work to unite the left into a real challenge to the capitalist system. I am not going to reply anymore to the ill-informed petty sectarian bullshit that Collective spews out with. Collective obviosly doesn't have anything worthy to say so you can FUCK OFF!

[Collective]

I never said I was in the CPB. I certainly support them.

Admitting you are an ultra-leftist was all I needed to hear. I'm sure you and the CPGB have some dry cleaning to do so I'll let you get on with it and 'uniting the left' :lol: .

[stonerboi]

even if your not in the CPB, I know you wouldn't be in any other organisation, becuase no other leftist group now believes that communists should be voting Labour Party and hoping that the Labour government is somehow going to see the light of day and overthrow capitalism.

You said that it is foolish for people to think that communism can be brought in now. Yet the CPB policy won't even bring about a return to social democarcy (which I hope we never have again, social democracy was just one big con to tie the people to the system) as the Labour Party are NOT even interested in social democracy, they want full blown neo-liberal Thatcherism! The CPB will really let the people down if it ever urges people to vote Labour against a more progressive candidate, like th SA or an ex-Labour independent. It will just show up the CPB as being the supporter of a corrupt right-wing, militarist government like the labour goverment. Please don't reply by saying that it is ONLY Blair who is the problem. Some people have this dillusion that Gordon Brown or heaven forbid Claire Short would make better Labour leaders. Truth is that Labour is no different than the Conservative Party and if Labour loses to the Tories it will not make one iota of difference. You cannot use the arguement of trade unions, becuase Labour is cutting it's links with them and the more intelligent union leaders have decided to consider parting with the Labour Party.

I have nothing against individual CPB members (heck I was one 4 years back) and I will give a lot of credit to the Morning Star for it's work and reporting of the trade union struggles against the government. But for heavens sake, Roger Griffiths (CPB gen-sec.) should dump the British Road to Socialism policy as it is a road to nowhere. He should cut all CPB support from the Labour Party (both it's Blairite wings and the so-called 'left' wing of Claire Short and Corbyn) and use the CPB good links with the unions to build a new workers party outside of the Labour Party. If these so-called Labour 'lefts' really are left-wing, why don't they leave Labour (as it cannot be reformed to socialism, ever!) and join the campaign to build a new workers party. Somehow these MPs are NOT going to do that as it would mean they could lose their seats. So much for their commitment to socialism.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 11:33 AM
I never said I was in the CPB. I certainly support them.

Admitting you are an ultra-leftist was all I needed to hear. I'm sure you and the CPGB have some dry cleaning to do so I'll let you get on with it and 'uniting the left' :lol: .
Arf arf! What a 'sketchley' comment to make! I bet he's 'jack'ed off now!

Stonerboi I never knew you were associated with that sectlet...

[YKTMX]

Seems a bit pointless to me. People will join the party who's programme they agree with.

[stonerboi]

Yes Ernesto I am a CPGB member.

What groupare you with?

I would guess either:

Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (ML)

National Committee of Marxist-Leninist Unity

Communist League of Great Britain (led by the late Bill Blande)

It has to be one of these, as I know you are a 'Stalinist' with pro-Albanian (Hoxhaist) leanings.