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Die Neue Zeit
22nd January 2011, 09:17
But like I said in another thread, all hardcore proponents of market socialism to date may have tackled the capital market and the consumer products market (however we may disagree with them), but have utterly failed to tackle the labour market like Hyman Minsky did (public employer of last resort for consumer services - ends structural and cyclical unemployment).

EDIT: It appears Schweickart did support an ELR program, after all.

Not in his earlier works, but in a whole blog, but here he shoots himself in the foot:

http://www.ccds-discussion.org/?p=88

The basics:


The basic model of Economic Democracy, as set out in ‘A Worthy Socialism’, features three institutions: workplace democracy, a market for goods and services, and social control of investment.

The good:


I assert that public control of investment should make unemployment less of a problem.

I now think that this mechanism is insufficient. Structural unemployment is on the rise almost everywhere in the world.

[...]

I now propose a fourth institution: the government as employer-of-last-resort. The government should stand ready to give a relatively low-paying job to any able-bodied person who wants to work but cannot find any other satisfactory employment. This is not, on the face of it, a radical proposal. It has been championed on occasion by social democratic parties, although not, to my knowledge, ever implemented.

For good reason. Such a program cannot work under capitalism. Workers become emboldened in a full-employment economy and make excessive demands on their employers, who must either take a cut in profits (not good for investor confidence) or pass on the costs to consumers (not good for them, or, more importantly, for finance capital, which stands in horror of inflation).

It can work under Economic Democracy. It should be part of the basic model. It should also be put on the short-run reform agenda.

I don't agree with the phrase "relatively low-paying job," unless Schweickart actually considers Minsky's living wage to be such.

Now, the bad and ugly:


Well and good, but there is another role played by some capitalists, a creative, entrepreneurial role. This role is assumed by a large number of individuals in a capitalist society, mostly by ‘petty capitalists’ who set up their own small businesses, but by some ‘grand capitalists’ as well, individuals who turn innovative ideas into major industries and reap a fortune in the process.

[...]

Moreover, it is clear from experience that as difficult as it is to set up a small private business (witness the high failure rates), it is even more difficult to start up a new cooperative enterprise. In both cases initiative and business skills are necessary. But a ‘cooperative entrepreneur’ needs additional skills of a more interpersonal nature, since she cannot hire and fire at will. Indeed, she must subordinate her own will to the will of the collective. Perhaps someday these skills will be so widespread that society need not rely on the initiative of petty capitalists to keep its small business sector vibrant, but that time has not yet come.

He obviously didn't read Marx on planned cooperative production or Lassalle on state aid. :confused:


Should Economic Democracy also allow for ‘grand capitalists’, individuals who run large, dynamic companies? Initially I didn’t think so. I was inclined to think that the entrepreneurial function of the large capitalists could be readily enough socialized. After all, most basic research in advanced capitalist societies is funded by the government. Most innovations come from government or university laboratories, and even those generated in the ‘private sector’ tend to come from scientists and engineers who are employees of these private companies, not from the owners.

[...]

I am no longer persuaded by this line of thought. For several reasons. First and foremost, I am no longer convinced that an entrepreneurial capitalist class need pose a serious threat to a society in which democratic workplaces are predominant.

:rolleyes:

Jose Gracchus
24th January 2011, 07:17
A lot of times doctrinaire Leninists and anarchists alike refer to anything not-left-enough-for-me "liberal reformism." I often find this sectarian, even if there's a helping for truth. In this case, that's exactly what Schweikart is. A new brand of utopian liberal reformist.

Has he heard of SFR Yugoslavia? Mondragon? I feel like he thinks some statistic Proudhonism + Mondragon + virtuous entrepreneurial capitalists big and small + reformist populist social democratic state with work programs = socialism!

He must be one the only "socialist" who reads The Economist's take on the Venezuelan economy and nods his head approvingly.

This is worse than Kevin Carson "free market anarchism". At least he didn't believe outright 'vulgar Misean' nonsense about marginalist absolutism, the virtues of labor markets and the profit motive, and the cornicopia of true productivity that is 'entrepreneurialism'; and he realizes the state is not a neutral instrument in a class society.

:thumbdown:

Die Neue Zeit
24th January 2011, 15:15
Has he heard of SFR Yugoslavia? Mondragon? I feel like he thinks some statistic Proudhonism + Mondragon + virtuous entrepreneurial capitalists big and small + reformist populist social democratic state with work programs = socialism!

To be fair, he's the only market socialist to date who has addressed the labour market. Too often there's emphasis on the consumer and capital markets, and not enough on the labour market. I did write commentary on Minsky for a reason. ;)


This is worse than Kevin Carson "free market anarchism". At least he didn't believe outright 'vulgar Misean' nonsense about marginalist absolutism, the virtues of labor markets and the profit motive, and the cornicopia of true productivity that is 'entrepreneurialism'; and he realizes the state is not a neutral instrument in a class society.

:thumbdown:

Isn't Carson that "left-libertarian" who's supportive of trade union organizing because the other side is extracting some form of rent, and in so doing helping to minimize rent extraction? :confused:

Jose Gracchus
25th January 2011, 02:52
To be fair, he's the only market socialist to date who has addressed the labour market. Too often there's emphasis on the consumer and capital markets, and not enough on the labour market. I did write commentary on Minsky for a reason. ;)

Yeah. Socialists need to give mature thought to how a radically conceptually different economy would be run. Pithy slogans about "workers' power" are great for agitation, but a poor basis for constructing a durable revolution. We might as well look at economic science today and try to give ourselves a few million fewer things to worry about.


Isn't Carson that "left-libertarian" who's supportive of trade union organizing because the other side is extracting some form of rent, and in so doing helping to minimize rent extraction? :confused:

I dunno. Some kind of odd neo-Proudhonism allegedly coming out of the American individualist and market-friendly [philosophical] 'anarchists' and a synthesis of the LTR with neo-classical economics. His born enemies are the Miseans and Kayekists.

Die Neue Zeit
25th January 2011, 03:17
Note: I posed Minsky as a threshold reform, not as a directional / genuinely transitional measure.

Speaking of both "economic democracy"/market socialism and agitation, I coughed up this five-point platform:

http://www.iwca.info/?p=10172#comments


Some economically radical demands are more important than others, among them the proposals of left economists Hyman Minsky and Rudolf Meidner, and I feel these should be discussed (also as an out-of-the-box means of discrediting what remains of social democracy):

1. Universalisation of annual, non-deflationary adjustments for all non-executive and non-celebrity remunerations, pensions and insurance benefits to at least match rising costs of living.

2. Fuller socio-income democracy through direct proposals and rejections – at the national level and above – regarding the creation and adjustment of income multiple limits in all industries, for all major working class and other professions, and across all types of income.

3. The realisation of zero unemployment structurally and cyclically by means of expanding public services to fully include employment of last resort for consumer services.

4. The increase of real social savings and investment by first means of mandatory and significant redistributions of annual business profits, by private enterprises with more workers than a defined threshold, as non-tradable and superior voting shares to be held by geographically organised worker funds.

5. Enabling the full replacement of the hiring of labour for small-business profit by cooperative production, and also society’s cooperative production of goods and services to be regulated by cooperatives under their common plans.

Despite the broad economism of the Krichevskii-Trotsky method of transitory action platformism (not at all worthy of the term ‘transitional programme’), these specific demands are more than adequate as replacements for the slogans pertaining to sliding scales of wages and hours, public works, and nationalise-the-top-such-and-such.


Comments:

– To their detriment, most models of market socialism ignore #3, taken from Hyman Minsky.
– #4 was the Meidner Plan in Sweden that was shot down in elections.
– #5 tackles the festering problem of small-scale production and the continued hiring of labour for profit at that small level. Should there be agreement upon and not mere acceptance of this last measure, it can facilitate the nationalization debate but in a way such that private ownership of productive and other non-possessive property is altogether outside the boundaries of debate – i.e., there can be no advocacy on the class-strugglist left for a combination of small-scale cooperative production with “medium enterprises” still under private ownership.

Thoughts? :blushing:

ar734
25th January 2011, 03:41
Note: I posed Minsky as a threshold reform, not as a directional / genuinely transitional measure.

Speaking of both "economic democracy"/market socialism and agitation, I coughed up this five-point platform:

Thoughts?

Two points, no deep thought, just wondering: Is Schweickart the same person who co-authored, with David Zacharia, the paper Hunting Productive Work, mentioned in, I believe, one of your posts? Also, this paper discussed the "highly socialized capitalist economies [such as] Sweden." Does he, Schweickart, still, or did he ever, believe such economies were a realistic alternative to capitalism or transition from capitalism to socialism?

Die Neue Zeit
25th January 2011, 14:42
No, that's Paul Cockshott who co-authored with Dave Zachariah. David Schweickart wrote Against Capitalism in the 1990s to make his market-socialist case.