The Incentive to Work

[jmpeer]

When I was reading the manifesto, I think it covered this point, but I didn't quite understand it. In communism, or any economy in which people do not work for a wage to provide for themselves, how can you guarantee that work will be done?

Do you rely on people's understanding that a lack of work will lead to systemic failure?
Do you require work to be done but allow people to choose which work they do?
Do you somehow monitor the work they do?
Do you assign work?

Obviously, there will be a number of people who support communism, so they will work.
Others will work because they understand the systemic risk.
But in time, there are always a number of people who try to exploit a lack of regulation.

[Apoi_Viitor]

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Edit: Recommendation, can a mod make a sticky thread about incentives to work in a communist society, because this is one of the most common questions asked...

[Catmatic Leftist]

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Edit: Recommendation, can a mod make a sticky thread about incentives to work in a communist society, because this is one of the most common questions asked...

I cannot believe the man doesn't realize he's talking about communism.:ohmy:

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

I cannot believe the man doesn't realize he's talking about communism.:ohmy:

He did say "this isn't some socialist conspiracy"

[Kléber]

Getting rid of incentives will only possible through massive development of the productive forces. In much of the world, there is already communism in water; it can be obtained for free from public fountains and restaurants. Eventually more commodities will be like that. Prior to the establishment of communism, money can be used during the traditional phase to reward people based on how hard they work. A coal miner, or a doctor, who has a more stressful job should be paid more than someone with an easier job like a cashier. Administrative roles will be taken over by a series of elected committees from the workplace to the global level, with recallable and rotating leadership paid at workers' wages, using modern communications technology to make things as democratic and accountable as possible.

[Rooster]

I'm pretty sure that in a communist society, if there's a job needing done then someone will volunteer for it. If someone was being lazy and avoiding work then I'm sure the rest of the population would find out and make them work. I don't think it's rocket science. If you've ever worked on a shop floor or something, you'd know if some guy was slacking off then you'd say it to his face. You've got a job to do, and you don't want people wasting your time or making your life harder.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

These days we have major corporations and conglomerates that own and manipulate the means of production. In order to make a product, the corporation doesn't pay itself, it merely transports resources and distributes wealth. In communist society, this sort of distribution of goods, where things aren't paid for but are sent where they are needed to produce a product, would be prevalent on a far wider scale. The only difference would be more equitable distribution of the products of labor. Think of the entire country as a business that the workers own and run directly. That is how things would operate.

[BIG BROTHER]

Yes once the productive forces have been develop to such level the difference will be that work, will no longer be work as we understand it.

Rather it will be people doing whatever activity they enjoy doing.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Yes once the productive forces have been develop to such level the difference will be that work, will no longer be work as we understand it.

Rather it will be people doing whatever activity they enjoy doing.

To a certain extent...

[F9]

To a certain extent...

First generation will hardly get there, but next generations i dont think there are going to be any exceptions.

Other than that, on OP's question(answered 1000 times in here :p) to keep it shortly, we are basing our theory that the work can and will be fun if someone has the freedom choosing his/her path, so if work is fun there is no fear of unfinished projects or low level systems as people will put there best in their best subject and will be forced and regulated by no one(beside science:)).So with this in mind, works are expected to have a much higher production and on numbers and on quality that capitalism.

Fuserg9:star:

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

First generation will hardly get there, but next generations i dont think there are going to be any exceptions.

Other than that, on OP's question(answered 1000 times in here :p) to keep it shortly, we are basing our theory that the work can and will be fun if someone has the freedom choosing his/her path, so if work is fun there is no fear of unfinished projects or low level systems as people will put there best in their best subject and will be forced and regulated by no one(beside science:)).So with this in mind, works are expected to have a much higher production and on numbers and on quality that capitalism.

Fuserg9:star:

I'm sure you've seen this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrkrvAUbU9Y&feature=player_embedded#!

[F9]

I'm sure you've seen this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrkrvAUbU9Y&feature=player_embedded#!

I am sorry to disappoint you, but i didnt.(i now saw it, but not before the post):lol: I can formulate, think and create a logical argument on my own:D

[bcbm]

those who do not work will be made to work

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

I am sorry to disappoint you, but i didnt.(i now saw it, but not before the post):lol: I can formulate, think and create a logical argument on my own:D

I wasn't insulting your intelligence at all :laugh:. I just thought that his ideas regarding incentives fit in well with your point.

[mick.jones29]

To understand our incentive to work , we first have to throw away our skewed and warped view of society. We have all been instilled with the premise the greed, money, and self interest is the goal of all our efforts. We must realise altruism as the norm in our society and shun those who take from the common pot for their own selfish ends.
Part of the reason we need incentives to do good for society is down to the concept of trade.
Any kind of trade, sale, or barter is part of a problem with our society. Moreover the acquisition of personal possessions equally causes harm. Should I need to actually own anything. If I drive a car, then consider the car not been owned by me, not owned by the state, as there should no state, therefore is it communally owned by everyone



My argument against trade can be summed up in the following statement.
“In a trade or exchange, an assumption has to be made that some kind of balance or value exists between the goods or services involved. No allowance is made for the need of either party to obtain the goods, or the ability of either party to provide a suitable exchange”
The flaw is the concept of human ownership of physical possessions and the value associated with them. Barter or trade cannot work if you have nothing to exchange, but does this mean you have no needs? You still need to eat.
Imagine a communal society where all personal possessions are shared. Ownership and monetary value do not exist. Tools and items necessary for daily life are shared. Luxury items as such do not exist for they serve no purpose.
So how would we explain food and consumable products, if I don’t own food, how can I eat? Eating an apple, drinking from my cup, shoes, clothes, a wrist watch…We can see how certain objects could be used communally but with others it seems impossible; but this is not the case as taking something and cosuming it does not require ownership. In this kind of society there would be no lack of montivation and incentives would not be need to for societies members to work hard for all.

[AnarchoCommunistEyepatch]

It's important to note that throughout history no economy has ever failed because of laziness and that has included societies that have had gift economies, the question is less one of what will make people work than why they would not.


those who do not work will be made to work

Because of the reasons outlined above and in other peoples posts this is unnecesary and dangerous as it leads to authoritarianism and the corruption inherent in such authoritarianism.