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Nothing Human Is Alien
17th January 2011, 10:27
From the Associated Press:


WASHINGTON – The gunman accused of trying to assassinate Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killing six others, Jared Lee Loughner, was not on any government watch list that might have warned someone not to sell him a gun or caused police to investigate his unstable behavior.

It turns out there is not a list in the United States for people like Loughner.

The same goes for Joseph Stack, who flew his plane into an IRS office in Austin, Texas, last February. Stack left behind a 3,000-word, rambling screed about his problems with the U.S. tax code.

Less than a month later, John Patrick Bedell shot two Pentagon guards. He left behind anti-government writings and cited conspiracy theories involving the U.S. military.

Richard Poplawski, too, left an online trail of racist rants and paranoid thoughts about President Barack Obama imposing a gun ban before he allegedly shot and killed three police officers in the Pittsburgh area in April 2009.

In the past two years, there have been at least six incidents in which disgruntled Americans, acting alone, have taken violent action into their own hands. In many of the cases, signs of government distrust and paranoia wouldn't have been enough to justify law enforcement intervention.

Loughner's case includes cryptic messages left on a MySpace page, bizarre behavior in college classes and YouTube videos with anti-government rhetoric. Yet it wasn't enough to put him on the radar screen of authorities as a possible violent person.

"This is a very difficult individual to find, to detect, minus any kind of mental evaluation or criminal violence he committed or suspicious activity that somebody reported that was in the system," said Mike Downing, deputy chief of the Los Angeles Police Department who oversees counterterrorism and special operations.

The six who died were among 19 people shot Jan. 8 outside a Tucson grocery store, where Giffords was meeting with constituents. Investigators were looking into whether the 22-year-old Loughner was part of an online anti-government organization, American Renaissance. But participation in such groups and likeminded beliefs are not crimes.

"Law enforcement can't just jump in there and monitor all these groups just based on the message they're sending," said Don Borelli, a former assistant special agent in charge of the FBI's New York joint terrorism task force.

There are scores of domestic groups with members who oppose paying taxes, disagree with the government and voice their opinions eagerly. But their rights are protected by the First Amendment, and opposing taxes alone is not enough to trigger an investigation.

"These guys kind of fly below the radar until they decide to act, which makes it a challenge for law enforcement," said Borelli, who is now a senior vice president with the Soufan Group, an international firm that consults on security issues.

Neighbors described Loughner as someone who kept to himself and walked his dog. Some of his friends said they were surprised when he expressed an interest in guns and target shooting last March.

Between February and September, Loughner had five contacts with Pima Community College police for classroom and library disruptions.

School officials are responsible for contacting police if they believe a student is a threat to himself or others, said George Foresman, a former undersecretary at the Homeland Security Department. If a friend or teacher did call the police department to report that Loughner was posting rambling messages about illiteracy rates and currency online, it's not likely the local police would have a system in place to run that down.

"They're dealing with a series of open cases, murders, robberies," Foresman said. "Where does this fall into the priority?"

Loughner was suspended in September after the college police found a YouTube video in which Loughner claimed the college was illegal according to the U.S. Constitution. But security experts said it was hardly enough to raise suspicions.

"Students get kicked out of school for a multitude of reasons," Borelli said. "That doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to go kill somebody."

Prairie Fire
18th January 2011, 09:55
"Law enforcement can't just jump in there and monitor all these groups just based on the message they're sending,"


:lol: :lol: :lol:

So, when it comes to rightist vigilantes, they allegedly haven't got a clue, and are unwilling to violate constitutional rights;

When it comes to the Black Panthers, communist parties, AIM, various black militant organizations, and even hippy peacnik groups in Fresno california, they have names and residence addresses, tail cars,the phones tapped, and informants infiltrating the organization.

Yeah.

Should this inaction in regards to right-populist groups by the United States government be taken then as condoning and encouraging their agenda?

Political_Chucky
18th January 2011, 10:11
:lol: :lol: :lol:

So, when it comes to rightist vigilantes, they allegedly haven't got a clue, and are unwilling to violate constitutional rights;

When it comes to the Black Panthers, communist parties, AIM, various black militant organizations, and even hippy peacnik groups in Fresno california, they have names and residence addresses, tail cars,the phones tapped, and informants infiltrating the organization.

Yeah.

Should this inaction in regards to right-populist groups by the United States government be taken then as condoning and encouraging their agenda?

This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Dimentio
18th January 2011, 10:21
The problem with people like these, as already Machiavelli noted, is that it is impossible to predict such attacks. You could minimise the risks for vigilante terrorism by installing a total control society, but that would be detrimental in so many ways.

Prairie Fire
18th January 2011, 10:42
I don't think that there is anything 'unpredictable' about this bunch.

Despite their excessive individualism and aversion to coherent organization, they basically get whipped into a frenzy and take marching orders from above-ground right-populist entities (ie. Freedomworks, Talk radio, TV pundits, etc). 'Astro-turfing' is the term, I believe.

We can't look at the most recent manifestations of American right militancy in a vacuum, anymore than we can in any other country. They are direct by-products of the existing ideological superstructure of the society, and they are being mobilized in the interests of the most reactionary strata of the American bourgeoisie.

Dimentio
18th January 2011, 11:24
These people were all non-affiliated with any organisation. That makes it impossible to predict. They are usually persons with no social network as well. The Tea Partiers are dangerous for other reasons than purely physical. Those who are conducting assassination attempts are usually suffering from various mental disorders.

ComradeOm
18th January 2011, 14:02
A more interesting spin on this, for me, is the response of the media. None of these prior events have made major international news in the same way that a suspected Al-Qaeda plot would have been. Dan Gardner talks a bit out this in his book Risk and I think its worth quoting the relevant passages in full. The context is how the predominant 'narratives' in the news media shift over time and how this influences the spread and impact of a story/event. Its interesting how media perceptions of terrorism have changed


Terrorism is obviously a major narrative today, as it has been for some time, but a decade ago it was quite different. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing made terrorism the story of men like the bomber, Timothy McVeigh, a white, paranoid, anti-government radical. Following that storyline, journalists churned out countless articles about tiny groups of cranky gun enthusiasts who grandly styled themselves as 'militias'... The Sept 11 attacks scrapped this storyline and replaced it with the story of Islamic terrorism that is still going strong today - which is why, when a suicide bomber detonated himself outside a packed stadium at the University of Oklahoma on Oct 1 2005, the media scarcely reported the incident. The bomber, Joel Henry Hinrichs III, wasn't Muslim. He was a disturbed white guy with a thing for explosives whose initial plan was apparently to detonate a bomb identical to that used by Timothy McVeigh. If he had carried out his attack at the University of Oklahoma in the late 1990s, it would have been a major news story around the world, but in 2005 it didn't fit the narrative so it was treated as a minor local story and ignored.

This happened again in April 2007 when six white men belonging to the 'Alabama Free Militia' were arrested in Collinsville, Alabama. Police seized a machine gun, a rifle, a shotgun, two silencers, 2,500 rounds of ammunition and various homemade explosives, including 130 hand grenades and 70 improvised explosive devices... At a bail hearing a federal agent testified that the group had been planning a machine gun attack on Hispanics living in a nearby town. The media weren't interested and the story was essentially ignored. But one week later, when a group of six Muslims was arrested for conspiring to attack Fort Dix, it was major international news - even though these men were no more sophisticated or connected to terrorist networks than the 'Alabama Free Militia' and they had nothing like the arsenal of the militiamen

Rafiq
18th January 2011, 21:46
I blame the state.

All of these rightist groups spring up because they're unsatisfied with the current regime in power.

These are confused, brainwashed working class members. They are sick of the system and think that if they become rightists, they can change things.

We must let them no that change does not come from the right, but from the left.

We wouldn't have to worry about these kinds of things, if we, ensure all freedoms of all peoples.

Isn't that what this reactionary group uses as an excuse to do this? The ratification of their oh so precious constitution, that limited their rights.

The working class should have more freedom than what the constitution gives them!

The problem, is, obviously, the authority.