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Kingpin
17th January 2011, 02:45
What are some of the ways that a communist revolution would stop or at least hinder the funding/publication bias in the scientific community?

#FF0000
17th January 2011, 03:28
I love science but the fact is that half of what's published is corporate propaganda and the other half is dumb shit put out by people who don't understand the scientific method, so I think a socialist society can do nothing but benefit the scientific community as long as that society doesn't pull dumb shit like Russian psychologists did in thinking serial killers were 100% a product of liberal capitalism.

Apoi_Viitor
17th January 2011, 03:54
What are some of the ways that a communist revolution would stop or at least hinder the funding/publication bias in the scientific community?

There was a great documentary I watched about private/public funding in the medial industry. The documentary detailed how the slow change from American researchers being primarily funded by the government, to being primarily funded by private industry, has led to a dramatic decrease in important scientific research and breakthroughs, in favor of developing more profitable medicines like "Viagra".

Also, research funded by corporations is significantly more likely to classify a product as "consumer friendly" than research funded by public/government money. I wonder why...

RGacky3
17th January 2011, 10:43
Peer reviewed scientific are really the only ones taken seriously, if you look at these anti-global warming so-called studies, none are peer reviewed, and all are funded by anti-global warming economic interests.

So I don't really distrust studies done under capitalism because the peer review keeps it accurate.

however WHAT gets studied is very much influenced by Capitalism, thast the problem, because WHAT gest studied is influenced by WHAT gets funded, and WHAT gets funded now is mostly what will profit corporations, under socialism what gets funded is what will benefit the public.

Jimmie Higgins
17th January 2011, 11:02
however WHAT gets studied is very much influenced by Capitalism, thast the problem, because WHAT gest studied is influenced by WHAT gets funded, and WHAT gets funded now is mostly what will profit corporations, under socialism what gets funded is what will benefit the public.

Yeah I'd imagine it'd still be "biased", but the influence would be coming from democratic interests rather than capitalist (either industry or military). And since people engaged in transforming the world to fit their interests rather than the interests of profit, I think finding useful and "accurate as possible" scientific truth would be of the utmost importance. A lot of scientific bias today is based around not questioning the nature of the system - so people who study poverty, usually do so within the limits of capitalism. Science is looking for solutions for the oil problem through Agra-fuels, coal, and nuclear power not because these are better or safer than oil, but because it is the best option without rocking the economic boat: it wouldn't interfere as much with the economic status-quo as having to rethink and reorganize large-scale farming, distribution networks (roads and ships), the organization of industrial cities (freeways, outlying suburbs for workers), and so on.

Marx said that class-systems eventually become fetters on innovation and new and better modes of production because the ruling class has to defend the status-quo. A communist society, without class exploitation and a ruling class would not need to have science to bend to the needs of the ruling elite and defend the basis of their power - science would simply be a way to understand the world create useful technology and means to make the best use of the resources we have.

RGacky3
17th January 2011, 16:51
I dont' think natural sciences are biased at all, at least not serious peer reviewed natural sciences, its just WHAT gets studied, the sciences would stay the same in socialism, its just what it studied might be more toward what can help everyone.

As far as Social sciences, I think thats a whole different issue.

Applied sciences, your right, its not biased science at all, its just being used for capitalist interests.

I don't think bias is really the right word.