What Will be Socially Acceptable?

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

I know that under late-socialist and communist society, the modern sense of morality will be thrown away and replaced by a system of social acceptability determined by a new, more conscious, consensus of the people. My question is: What do you think this new social system will accept and reject?

I'm sure that greed will be rejected strongly, and those who are greedy will be shunned. Any other ideas?

EDIT: I recognized that under communism the social construct would be more logical. Therefore, let's take a look at the logical, conscious framework that would be developed, as opposed to my original idea of a semi-conscious framework. Thanks to El Vagoneta for that observation.
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[ComradeAV]

well I guess the gender roles will also be different. Women and men will be held to the same standards. Unlike our current society that has a double-standard for men and women.

[Rafiq]

Honestly, I don't think anyone can answer that question in one sentence, so It'd be wise if everyone posts something different.

To start, Sex will be looked upon differently, words like 'slut' will cease to exist, and Sex will not be something that's 'morally wrong'.

Homosexuals will be accounted as equals in society, and sexuality will cease to be a 'problem' for society.

[ComradeAV]

Honestly, I don't think anyone can answer that question in one sentence, so It'd be wise if everyone posts something different.

To start, Sex will be looked upon differently, words like 'slut' will cease to exist, and Sex will not be something that's 'morally wrong'.

Homosexuals will be accounted as equals in society, and sexuality will cease to be a 'problem' for society.

Thats actually what I meant. The double standards being that when women have sex with man when they are not married, they are called slut or whore. But when men do it, they are championed or no one cares. That will different in socialist society, they will be held equally accountable.

[gorillafuck]

I think it's a bit weird to be saying what words would cease to exist in any future society....

[ZeroNowhere]

I know that under late-socialist and communist society, the modern sense of morality will be thrown away and replaced by a system of social acceptability determined by a subconscious consensus of the people.
Wait, what?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Whatever 'the party' dictates is acceptable, in the name of Comrades Lenin, Stalin and Mao...:cool:

[psgchisolm]

I think it's a bit weird to be saying what words would cease to exist in any future society....
I agree completely, how can you be absolutely sure that these words won't exist. It seems a bit short-sighted saying these words won't exist and just assuming that people will cease to use these words. I doubt these words will cease to exist and anything will change for a fairly long time.

[Savage]

Whatever 'the party' dictates is acceptable, in the name of Comrades Lenin, Stalin and Mao...:cool:
Yes, because all those leaders considered themselves to have achieved stateless and classless societies.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Sodom and Gomorrah will be seen as an example of proto-socialism.

[the last donut of the night]

Sodom and Gomorrah will be seen as an example of proto-socialism.

communist society would be centered around giant orgies

[Os Cangaceiros]

Indeed. My vision of communist society involves attempting to turn all of humanity into one giant nerve ending, subject to endless stimulation.

[black magick hustla]

idk but if i cant walk around with my dick in hand and a maxwells equations tattoo over my chest its not my revolution imo

[StalinFanboy]

People should read this. It's a pretty interesting take on the question of communist "morality"

http://www.prole.info/texts/withoutmoral.html

[TheGeekySocialist]

personally im hoping society would become humanist

[F9]

Again a thread that contains high level of guesses in responds, and rather than getting an answer you get speculations and most of the times you get answers coming from the pov of each and every user.

There is no correct answer or wrong here, but its plain difficult if not impossible to say what will be socially acceptable under communism and have that 100%.For example, i can agree with above members saying that homosexuality will cease to be considered a problem, man and woman will be (truly) equal etc, but if the revolution is say not now in 5 years, and in 10 we achieve communism, is delusional to think that this kind of things will just disappear over night, even after few years.. They will sadly still exist for some time, however they will most probably be isolated from society and for society.

But in any way, if you are looking for a complete catalog of what will be accepted or not, it cant happen, not at least for now.

Fuserg9:star:

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Again a thread that contains high level of guesses in responds, and rather than getting an answer you get speculations and most of the times you get answers coming from the pov of each and every user.

There is no correct answer or wrong here, but its plain difficult if not impossible to say what will be socially acceptable under communism and have that 100%.For example, i can agree with above members saying that homosexuality will cease to be considered a problem, man and woman will be (truly) equal etc, but if the revolution is say not now in 5 years, and in 10 we achieve communism, is delusional to think that this kind of things will just disappear over night, even after few years.. They will sadly still exist for some time, however they will most probably be isolated from society and for society.

But in any way, if you are looking for a complete catalog of what will be accepted or not, it cant happen, not at least for now.

Fuserg9:star:

I wasn't looking for a concrete answer... just thoughts. It's a thread meant to provoke thought... generate ideas

[¿Que?]

I want to know what a "subconscious consensus of the people" would be. Will humans have a hive mind in communism? I think not. Therefore, the question is flawed. I'm sure there will be social norms, but human beings will be quite conscious of them and thus they will not be controlling our destinies. OTOH, actually, we will control social norms (as opposed to the bewilderment humans currently possess about them, their origins, fighting them etc) so that they will represent the values of communism, namely, equality, free development, etc.

[the last donut of the night]

Although it's hard to predict these things, I think we can have some rough sketch based on primitive hunter-gatherer societies. Devoid of class structures, these groups have equalitarian forms of decision-making, almost no gender divisions and oppression, etc. However, these groups are materially restricted by nature, so their culture is also highly influenced by those restrictions -- fights do break out in scarce times and it's not like they have a scientific world outlook. But who knows how post-scarcity society will look? It's impossible to tell, and I think that's the most exciting part.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

I want to know what a "subconscious consensus of the people" would be. Will humans have a hive mind in communism? I think not. Therefore, the question is flawed. I'm sure there will be social norms, but human beings will be quite conscious of them and thus they will not be controlling our destinies. OTOH, actually, we will control social norms (as opposed to the bewilderment humans currently possess about them, their origins, fighting them etc) so that they will represent the values of communism, namely, equality, free development, etc.

Really? You see, I thought that, in a society run by the people, those things which the people found socially acceptable would be acceptable in society. Of course these things wouldn't be spoken of. For example, greed would be thought of as despicable. This would be caused by a change in the way that people view things, it wouldn't be forced upon them. For example, we consider pedophilia to be ghastly. Why? That's the consensus. Similarly, in communist society, I would expect social expectations to change in accordance with views on greed, wealth, etc. A greedy man could be considered as rejectable as a.... let's say neo-nazi. Not because it's dictated, just because that's what society's consensus is.

[Magón]

I'll be able to play my music as loud as I want, and all at the same time, I'll be speeding down and around corners at radical speeds in my car. (Or car I'll have after the Revolution. :D)

[L.A.P.]

Hopefully it will be socially acceptable for me to walk around with a blunt in my mouth before communist society is achieved and I won't have to wait that long.

[¿Que?]

Really? You see, I thought that, in a society run by the people, those things which the people found socially acceptable would be acceptable in society.
This is true, but sort of redundant.

Of course these things wouldn't be spoken of. For example, greed would be thought of as despicable. This would be caused by a change in the way that people view things, it wouldn't be forced upon them.
Implicit understandings can still be conscious understandings. Just because we don't need to explicitly say capitalist ways are bad, does not mean we don't consciously accept that belief. And further, being consciously and collectively aware does not imply forcing anything on to anyone.

For example, we consider pedophilia to be ghastly. Why? That's the consensus.
Well, it depends by what you mean by consensus. Ever heard of NAMBLA?

Similarly, in communist society, I would expect social expectations to change in accordance with views on greed, wealth, etc. A greedy man could be considered as rejectable as a.... let's say neo-nazi. Not because it's dictated, just because that's what societies consensus is.
Again, I'm not saying it will be dictated, and I never meant to imply any such thing. Being conscious of social norms and creating and guiding them so as to express certain values that are held through consensus does not necessarily imply forcing any majority will on a minority, I don't think.

Basically, I was alluding to the concept of reification and applying it to the idea of social norms as reified construct which control us rather than us them. Such is the case with commodity fetishism, in which the commodity expresses the social relations of workers, who are alienated as a result. I may be a little murky on the concept, but that's the general idea, I think.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

This is true, but sort of redundant.

Implicit understandings can still be conscious understandings. Just because we don't need to explicitly say capitalist ways are bad, does not mean we don't consciously accept that belief. And further, being consciously and collectively aware does not imply forcing anything on to anyone.

Well, it depends by what you mean by consensus. Ever heard of NAMBLA?

Again, I'm not saying it will be dictated, and I never meant to imply any such thing. Being conscious of social norms and creating and guiding them so as to express certain values that are held through consensus does not necessarily imply forcing any majority will on a minority, I don't think.

Basically, I was alluding to the concept of reification and applying it to the idea of social norms as reified construct which control us rather than us them. Such is the case with commodity fetishism, in which the commodity expresses the social relations of workers, who are alienated as a result. I may be a little murky on the concept, but that's the general idea, I think.

That's what I was saying essentially. The belief is neither completely conscious nor completely subconscious. I was merely looking for ideas regarding how people think society will change in it's views.

[Magón]

Hopefully it will be socially acceptable for me to walk around with a blunt in my mouth before communist society is achieved and I won't have to wait that long.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add... With a J clenched between my vice-like clenched teeth.

[¿Que?]

That's what I was saying essentially. The belief is neither completely conscious nor completely subconscious. I was merely looking for ideas regarding how people think society will change in it's views.
Well, no, because I'm saying it will be completely conscious. The way I see it, right now, we are sort of aware of what is and isn't socially accepted, although few people (including myself) take on the laborious task of understanding why certain things like say obesity is so socially unacceptable (particularly when it comes to women) whereas something possibly more unhealthy such as smoking is not as socially unacceptable. Yet I'm sure most men will date a thin smoker before an obese non smoker, all else being the same. So you see, a lot of social acceptance defies reason, and is more guided by stigma and things like that. The first step is becoming conscious of this, and from there we can move towards liberating ourselves and guiding social acceptance towards a framework that makes sense to our world view.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Well, no, because I'm saying it will be completely conscious. The way I see it, right now, we are sort of aware of what is and isn't socially accepted, although few people (including myself) take on the laborious task of understanding why certain things like say obesity is so socially unacceptable (particularly when it comes to women) whereas something possibly more unhealthy such as smoking is not as socially unacceptable. Yet I'm sure most men will date a thin smoker before an obese non smoker, all else being the same. So you see, a lot of social acceptance defies reason, and is more guided by stigma and things like that. The first step is becoming conscious of this, and from there we can move towards liberating ourselves and guiding social acceptance towards a framework that makes sense to our world view.

Ok, I see where your coming from. The question is the same though. What do you think that such a framework would entail?

[¿Que?]

Ok, I see where your coming from. The question is the same though. What do you think that such a framework would entail?
Communism is yet still an abstraction. We may deduce certain things, but we'll never know if we're right until we actually achieve it.

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Communism is yet still an abstraction. We may deduce certain things, but we'll never know if we're right until we actually achieve it.

You're making this more complicated than it has to be :(. This thread was meant to provoke thought.

[¿Que?]

You're making this more complicated than it has to be :(. This thread was meant to provoke thought.
Sorry. :tongue_smilie:

[ExUnoDisceOmnes]

Sorry. :tongue_smilie:

Haha don't worry about it. I respect your arguments and dedication to pragmatism.