''Easy'' jobs in Communism...

[Nick Yves]

Today when I got off the bus, a friend of mine said to me: ''Well, the only thing I really dislike about Communism is because while I work my ass off to get a good job, and become a Doctor, I'd be making the same amount of money as like, a shit scooper...'' keep in mind he doesn't know much about political ideology, and we argue about it a lot with him just using basic capitalist society influenced ideas. I said to him after that ''Well, that's solved because there wouldn't be any easy jobs for people just to slack off. There wouldn't be garbage men, people can take care of that themselves, there wouldn't be janitors everywhere, people can pick up after themselves. There wont be any jobs that aren't needed, if they can be done yourself...''

But what I'm asking is, am I right? I didn't really cover this anywhere, that's just something I figured would be said in responce to that debate...

[andresG]

we argue about it a lot with him just using basic capitalist society influenced ideas.

That is exactly the problem. Your friend is criticzing communsim because of the capitalist motive there is for work (this would be one of those "capitalist society influenced ideas").

Under communism this motive would not exist becaue money would not exist. People would chose a profession because it interests them and they are able to do it.

[Nick Yves]

Money would exist, dumbass. I absolutely despise that idea. Greed would not exist, but money is needed to keep track of things. Maybe new money wouldn't be printed, but currency would be around. What a horrible idea. I mean unless everyone uses stamps, cards, or SOMETHING to keep track of how much you have worked/price of things, then money would be needed.

By the way, whenever I make a fucking topic it seems it's never replied to because I'm not well known here or maybe that's not it, but you're all elitist fucks wich isn't good when it's a big forum (if it's a small one then okay), so fuck you all, i'm out.

[Urban Rubble]

Wow, what a fucking baby.

[Don't Change Your Name]

I will give you a nice example of capitalism: imagine there is the owner of a big company, and he has an assistant. The owner only tries to gain money while the assistant helps him to organise everything, gives him suggestions, and takes care of many things. He seems to work more than his boss, but his boss gains more than him while the assistant had a stressing (and sometimes harder) job. Why does the assitant have to receive less money?
This can be taken to any situation. Having a less-respected job doesnt mean that the ones on those jobs need to gain less money. In fact I think sometimes they should gain more to compensate.

Your reply to him was good anyway, but please don't leave, it wont help anyone.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 01:23 PM
Money would exist, dumbass. I absolutely despise that idea. Greed would not exist, but money is needed to keep track of things. Maybe new money wouldn't be printed, but currency would be around. What a horrible idea. I mean unless everyone uses stamps, cards, or SOMETHING to keep track of how much you have worked/price of things, then money would be needed.

By the way, whenever I make a fucking topic it seems it's never replied to because I'm not well known here or maybe that's not it, but you're all elitist fucks wich isn't good when it's a big forum (if it's a small one then okay), so fuck you all, i'm out.
"By the way, whenever I make a fucking topic it seems it's never replied to because I'm not well known here or maybe that's not it, but you're all elitist fucks wich isn't good when it's a big forum (if it's a small one then okay), so fuck you all, i'm out."
WTF? Less then 24 hours and you ... Your fucked.

In an anachist society, there is no need for money as there is no need to keep track of things like has someone done this or that. Communism is very similar.

As to easy jobs, all jobs are equally important, in that they all need to be done. If however, you had a socialist society there probably would be (depending on how strictly socialist it was) be differences in the amount of luxeries each person recieves.
But sure your friend can work his butt of getting a degree but can he dig a trench? If not maybe the trench digger should get more pay.

As to jobs that some one can do themselves. I agree that there should be no more servents etc.

[canikickit]

while I work my ass off to get a good job, and become a Doctor, I'd be making the same amount of money as like, a shit scooper

I think you are right to an extent, Jetgrind, but I also feel that there is nothing which says that a doctor is somehow a "harder" job than scooping shit up.

What makes you, or anyone, think that they are?

One may say, for example, that to become a doctor, there is far more study involved, than to become a manual labourer on a building site.
However for the six years that an individual is studying for their medical qualifications, the builder is on the saite in the rain, and hot weather, sweating and breaking their back, tiring themselves out and building the hospitals for the future doctors to work in.

Then the doctor has the builder as a patient years later for a bad back. The circle of life, my dear friend.

Both jobs are of equal importance, both jobs are equally essential to the running of a society.


By the way, whenever I make a fucking topic it seems it's never replied to because I'm not well known here or maybe that's not it, but you're all elitist fucks wich isn't good when it's a big forum (if it's a small one then okay), so fuck you all, i'm out.

And fuck you too, very much, my dear friend. Perhaps the reason people don't respond is because you are a total asshole, and not because they're "all elitist fucks". Maybe I'm wrong, but your response, "Money would exist, dumbass", makes me feel quite right, my dear friend, quite right indeed. Dumbass.

[Inti]

I agree with some people, that a work is a work, doesnt matter if yoiu are a brainsurgeon, , nurse, po po, construction worker, or a janitor and so on.. Without any of them, there would be problem... A chain is just as strong as the weakest link, therefore I believe that all of them should get equally rewarded.