Betrayal

[☭The Revolution☭]

So, I've been very close with a comrade of mine for several years. We both liked the same things. Science, Psychology, etc. But most of all, we were both Communists. Not just communists, but Neo-Soviets. We worked together, designing technology, and such. We planned of building a better world with our ability of designing technology. But as time progressed, he grew more and more pacifistic. Until just a few weeks ago, he talks to me, and he is almost a hippie. " Thats the difference between you and I" he says. " You love violence[the communist revolution], and I love lots of hot steamy sex!"
So finally tonight, I talk to him, we get talking, and he starts insulting the Communist Cause. So I tell him not to insult the cause, and we start arguing. He says that he doesn't believe in war, and that he would actually help the Bourgeoisie in order to save lives.

WHAT?!

thats simply absurd. No communist would say that. Part of me realizes and accepts that he is no longer my comrade, but another part of me still loves him as a close comrade, a brother. I've told him to come to his senses. For Marx sake, He KNOWS better than this! WHY is he doing this???

Have any of you ever been betrayed by comrades? If so, how did you handle it?

[The Idler]

Is this about Mark Kennedy?

[Revolutionair]

Not just communists, but Neo-Soviets.

Not just communists?! B-b-but NEO-SOVIETS!

[☭The Revolution☭]

Not just communists?! B-b-but NEO-SOVIETS!

That being said, I should make it clear that I am not saying that Neo-Soviets are any better than other branches of Communism. It's just that I don't come across many other communists that believe in actually rebuilding the USSR into what it once was. Thats all.

[ellipsis]

That being said, I should make it clear that I am not saying that Neo-Soviets are any better than other branches of Communism. It's just that I don't come across many other communists that believe in actually rebuilding the USSR into what it once was. Thats all.

Well you've come to the right forum, although the anarcho-trot conspiracy has had several purges of stalinists/MLs/MLMs so they aren't as numerous.

[Thirsty Crow]

Have any of you ever been betrayed by comrades? If so, how did you handle it?
People change, y'know.
I'd advise you to drop the fervor and zeal. It's important to be active, but once you start invoking Marx's name as a substitute for a given deity, you know that you've kinda crossed the line.

But most of all, this: people change.

[DylanCD]

All you can do is love your friend for who they are, despite what they believe, and if they can't respect your stance or opinions or philosiphy, then they do not love you enough to respect yours.

[Blackscare]

Seems pretty silly to me. He didn't "betray" you because he changed his opinion. Don't be so damned self-absorbed, you aren't the center of his universe.


Also, if you want to "rebuild the USSR as it once was" with no deeper analysis or ambitions than that, you're probably a dolt and couldn't "design technology" fit to extract yourself from a wet paper bag.

[Blackscare]

Now show me up and post blueprints for a hella-fuckin-balls-to-the-walls badass paper bag destroyer.

[Summerspeaker]

While I don't share your perception of this incident, I've come to regard betrayal as a matter of course. You can't trust anyone completely, radical or otherwise. A bit of leftist history underlines this point.

[Princess Luna]

one of my best friends is a tea party libertarian , there is no reason you have to drop somebody as a friend just because you don't have the same poilitcal views






except Nazis , fuck them....

[Summerspeaker]

one of my best friends is a tea party libertarian , there is no reason you have to drop somebody as a friend just because you don't have the same poilitcal views

True in theory but difficult in practice by my experience depending on the level of the difference and the dynamics involved. Being close friends with liberals who hate revolution and consider me basically a terrorist has been an exercise in frustration. I recommend healthy and safe interactions whenever possible.

[gorillafuck]

What is a "neo-soviet"? I've never heard that term, and being on revleft I've heard of some pretty fuckin' obscure tendencies (i.e. "technocracy")

[☭The Revolution☭]

Seems pretty silly to me. He didn't "betray" you because he changed his opinion. Don't be so damned self-absorbed, you aren't the center of his universe.


Also, if you want to "rebuild the USSR as it once was" with no deeper analysis or ambitions than that, you're probably a dolt and couldn't "design technology" fit to extract yourself from a wet paper bag.

Aheheh, Mate that was a very, very overall explanation. But don't worry, I'll be more high quality next time with my posts.

[Decolonize The Left]

So, I've been very close with a comrade of mine for several years. We both liked the same things. Science, Psychology, etc. But most of all, we were both Communists. Not just communists, but Neo-Soviets. We worked together, designing technology, and such. We planned of building a better world with our ability of designing technology. But as time progressed, he grew more and more pacifistic. Until just a few weeks ago, he talks to me, and he is almost a hippie. " Thats the difference between you and I" he says. " You love violence[the communist revolution], and I love lots of hot steamy sex!"
So finally tonight, I talk to him, we get talking, and he starts insulting the Communist Cause. So I tell him not to insult the cause, and we start arguing. He says that he doesn't believe in war, and that he would actually help the Bourgeoisie in order to save lives.

WHAT?!

thats simply absurd. No communist would say that. Part of me realizes and accepts that he is no longer my comrade, but another part of me still loves him as a close comrade, a brother. I've told him to come to his senses. For Marx sake, He KNOWS better than this! WHY is he doing this???

Have any of you ever been betrayed by comrades? If so, how did you handle it?

What are you going on about? He didn't betray "the cause" (whatever that is). He changed his mind about violence. There are plenty of pacifists who support the removal of the capitalist system and the advancement of worker possession of the means of production - they just disagree with using violence to get it.

You seem to be taking this way too seriously (what is a neo-soviet?). It's cool to be amped up about instigating change, but when you freak out at your longtime friend over something like pacifism you need to take a look back at yourself.

So.... ease up man.... go for a walk or have a drink or something. It's ok.

- August

[Political_Chucky]

I think this one HUGGGEEE reason(meh well not really) why leftist movements are scarce in the U.S.(Not sure if OP is even from the U.S. however) but its like some people into leftist politics can't maintain a good social relationship or something. Almost everything you do is about networking and talking to people. Most people are going to have different opinions. Most people are going to criticize you. Deal with it.:rolleyes:

[Summerspeaker]

I think this one HUGGGEEE reason(meh well not really) why leftist movements are scarce in the U.S.(Not sure if OP is even from the U.S. however) but its like some people into leftist politics can't maintain a good social relationship or something.

I'd suggest most Americans (and likely most humans in general) have trouble with healthy social relationships. It's part of living in a society based on a complex web of domination and submission. If we leftists stand out as uniquely disfunctional, I blame our marginality first and foremost. Nearly everyone does hate everyone else in the radical scene where I live - and often for good reason.

[Imposter Marxist]

Strike him down comrade! Destroy him! It is for the good of the revolution! :lol:

[bcbm]

relax

[PhoenixAsh]

what??? the bastard traitor!!!! How dare he!!!


Ok...this is what you do.

you invite your friend over for drinks. These drinks must be sweet and sour in taste...this is very important. Because of the second part. Now as you are drinking offer him something a bit bitter to eat. Make him feel comfortabel and at ease by playing his favorite music whikle chatting about the good times you have had together.

Now during all this the GHB that you spiked his drinks with will slowely begin to work....eventually rendering him unconscious.

Now...this part is important and actually belongs to the preparatory work....

Build in your garden...or the nearest park with a hard to acces part in it....a sturdy wooden shed...these can either be home made or purchased at some garden center. You also need several big locks on the door and iron bars for the window. These can be purchased at the local hardware store.

For al intents and purposes we will refer to this shed as Gulag 14 in the future.

Now what you need is some freeze elements. I suggest you break into the nearest slaughterhouse at night to require some of these. Alternatively...you could also find an abandoned but still functionable slaughterhause and use that instead of the wooden shed. THis is a bit circumvent but will give the whole rest of the plan a very much more authentic feel.

Now while you friend is unconscious you place him...again...this is very important...on a wooden cart. This can be stolen fro your neighborhood kids. Pick one...beat him or her up or preferable reposes it. You can shout something like liberating it in favor of the poletariat if it makes you feel better.


Transport your friend to Gulag 14. Lock him in. Turn on freeze element.
after you have bouund your friend to a dentist chair you liberated in the name of the revolution from your local dentist.

you also need a VCR and a television...and some ducttape. you can use your own if you want to. Do not forget to paint a hammer and cickle on it...for authenticitie sake.

then you tie your friend to the dentist chair, open his eyelids with duct tape and play all kinds of movies and immages of the glories Soviet Empire while playing teh international and the USSR anthem.

And voila...after several weeks of food deprevation, forced immages and sleep deprevation your friend will be as good as new and will have corrected his hippy errors!!!

Good luck :thumbup1:


[/ needless sarcasm...but its 4 in the morning and haven't slept yet and I have to go away for work now mode]



seriously....welcome to the forum :-)

[bcbm]

thats pretty twisted bro

[PhoenixAsh]

thats pretty twisted bro

Yes...it is, Isn't it. Amazing what serious chemo induced sleep deprevation can do with you.. O_o

I just watched the movie: the tortured yesterday.... And I finished a book about torture, mind controll and psychology on all that.

My world is currently a dark version of "through the looking glass" ~_~

(Just in case: it was mockingly meant)

[Kilenee]

One of my closest friends was a commie. Then, one day, he told me that he was flirting with fascism. He ended up becoming a neocon/fascist, starting selling drugs (which isn't bad per se, but really messed up his life), and joined the Navy. That's betrayal. I haven't talked to him since he started messing with fascism. Nasty stuff there.

[Comrade Corwin]

I once had a friend whom I called my Comrade for 6 years. We never really did see completely eye to eye, but one thing I thought we both believed was that someday we would do everything we could to make the world a better place through Communist revolution. However, when our plans started becoming more real, he chickened out. He also joined the U.S. army... though I'm not sure if this has anything to do with his change in behavior. He started spouting all these alternatives, hoping for something easier. As if all good things are easy. I considered this a betrayal. Sometimes you depend on someone as your ideological rock and when they suddenly change, at least in my case, your very core is shaken.

[☭The Revolution☭]

@ all the people telling me to calm down - You're right. I'm relaxing about it. It was all just a stupid ordeal. A rant like this isn't a very good first impression, eh?

@Kilenee - that seriously sucks. I'm sorry about that.

[Vampire Lobster]

However, when our plans started becoming more real, he chickened out.

oh you kids and your games nowadays

[Zav]

One of my closest friends was a commie. Then, one day, he told me that he was flirting with fascism. He ended up becoming a neocon/fascist, starting selling drugs (which isn't bad per se, but really messed up his life), and joined the Navy. That's betrayal. I haven't talked to him since he started messing with fascism. Nasty stuff there.
How does one go from Communism to Fascism?:confused: I don't think he was really a Communist.

[Rakhmetov]

So, I've been very close with a comrade of mine for several years. We both liked the same things. Science, Psychology, etc. But most of all, we were both Communists. Not just communists, but Neo-Soviets. We worked together, designing technology, and such. We planned of building a better world with our ability of designing technology. But as time progressed, he grew more and more pacifistic. Until just a few weeks ago, he talks to me, and he is almost a hippie. " Thats the difference between you and I" he says. " You love violence[the communist revolution], and I love lots of hot steamy sex!"
So finally tonight, I talk to him, we get talking, and he starts insulting the Communist Cause. So I tell him not to insult the cause, and we start arguing. He says that he doesn't believe in war, and that he would actually help the Bourgeoisie in order to save lives.

WHAT?!

thats simply absurd. No communist would say that. Part of me realizes and accepts that he is no longer my comrade, but another part of me still loves him as a close comrade, a brother. I've told him to come to his senses. For Marx sake, He KNOWS better than this! WHY is he doing this???

Have any of you ever been betrayed by comrades? If so, how did you handle it?


Your friend is an mental vagabond devoid of any intellectual sophistication needed to give a sober, grave, and weighty regard to the issues in question. Tell him to read this:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/dr-michael-parenti-t114609/index.html?t=114609&highlight=michael+parenti+criticizes