Woman conducts Racist excercise

[Political_Chucky]

I honestly think this shows how subtle racism is and how people in general, not just white, try and deny it.

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DISCUSS.

[Amphictyonis]

One of my best friends is black.;) But seriously, in time these prejudices will fade away. I'm afraid progress in the racial arena will take time. It is taking time. Racism isn't "over" by any means.

[synthesis]

Having already been aware of the experiment, I thought this was boring as shit until the psychologist remarked on the fact that this time it was the brown-eyed group that was actually taking something away from it.

[ed miliband]

Can't stop laughing at the guy who gets kicked out in the first clip. What a plonker.

[L.A.P.]

She seems like she has gotten *****ier over the years.

[TC]

While none of the white people in the experiment became psudo-"racist" against blue eyed people - basically all of them revealed the fact that they're actually racists.

I couldn't believe the ignorance of the white people in the audience, the fat man complaining that he couldn't fit into every shirt in a store so he was discriminated against in the same way, the ignorant school teacher claiming during the interview segment that white people were just as discriminated against and she couldn't tolerate it...god, i just can't believe it.

Good for the middle aged black woman who did her best to tell them how it was.

[TC]

She seems like she has gotten *****ier over the years.


...So, don't try to expose implicit racism in white people (which she did a brilliant job of) just make sure they feel good about themselves and you treat them with the respect they have come to expect in their privileged white lives?

[Apoi_Viitor]

She seems like she has gotten *****ier over the years.

I can't blame her. If I did what she's been doing for the past 40 years, I would be insane.

[Manic Impressive]

I think the experiment was too short if the same thing was done with more people over a longer period of time within a simulated society where they have to work, shop, be policed and stuff like that I think it would have a much greater and more positive effect. I'd also love to see it adapted for class maybe going to a public school (private school in the US) and get a minority of proles to subject the posh wankers to some oppression.

[Aurora]

I think the whole blue-brown eyed thing was a waste of time really, if she sat everyone down at the start and had a discussion about racism the result would have been the same. The white people would have denied racism existed and defended their privilege just like they did in the end.
I can see that if it had continued for longer and her attempts to reinforce powerlessness through the test etc were successful it might have made the white people gain a bit more perspective.

Did anyone else get the feeling that it kinda put forward the idea that it is only the privileged who can change things? maybe it's just me but i got the feeling that she thought black people because of their discrimination were powerless to change society.

[Rooster]

expose implicit racism in white people

Excuse me? Que?

[Catmatic Leftist]

I think the whole blue-brown eyed thing was a waste of time really, if she sat everyone down at the start and had a discussion about racism the result would have been the same. The white people would have denied racism existed and defended their privilege just like they did in the end.
I can see that if it had continued for longer and her attempts to reinforce powerlessness through the test etc were successful it might have made the white people gain a bit more perspective.

Did anyone else get the feeling that it kinda put forward the idea that it is only the privileged who can change things? maybe it's just me but i got the feeling that she thought black people because of their discrimination were powerless to change society.

I doubt that the video was anything more than just a case study.

[La Comédie Noire]

The white people were so disrespectful, they wouldn't even entertain the notion for more than 2 seconds. They were even laughing about the experiment at the beginning like"this is going to be fun." I like how they blame the victim too, It reminds me of this time I was having a conversation with someone about police brutality and the crack epidemic and this white dude was just like "you do know it was black leaders who were the first to demand something be done about crack." it's like yeah that's exactly what they had in mind police brutality and harsh prison terms.

I think she has to be this rude because in the majority of peoples' minds racism was something that ended a long time ago and now brown people are just milking it for all it's worth.

[Lord Testicles]

I'd heard about the experiment before but it was really interesting to see it carried out. Also Jane Elliot is an awesome person.

[Burn A Flag]

I watched all the clips and thought it was very enlightening. Also, applying it to my experiences, I have heard people say that rascism no longer exists, which obviously is not true. I agree that it is usually more of an implicit thing nowadays in the USA, instead of full blown apartheid. Basically meaning black people are portrayed disproportionately negative roles in the media and they get funny looks in public and things like that. This obviously proves that rascism was an artificially created construct designed to hold down minorities and to prevent multiracial class cooperation. I think lots of people where I live are at least implicitly rascist as well due to the lack of diversity.

[Apoi_Viitor]

What's disappointing about this show, is that we all know the women is fundamentally correct - and to try and prove her point, she uses all of the best arguments/details to back her case, yet still, she is unable to persuade her audience. I greatly admire her for doing studies like these, because from my perspective, she's spent her entire life fighting a noble, but incredibly enormous battle...

Anyways, the whole subtle racism thing reminds me of this:

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As much as I hate Keith, he's completely right about this.

[Hiero]

It is interesting how people did not want to follow the exercise, even as a experience of interest.

My main criticism would be that it lacks context. She just says white people are conditioned to a White supremacism, but White supremacism has changed over time. White supremacism in another time was specifically to do with biological races. Now in the era of multiculturalism or coming out of the era, people deal with culture over race. So in the core countries people express racism through describing culture, that the core country can only be multicultural with specific cultures or people either adapt to the core culture. While she does well to expose the affective level of racism and the way positions in regards to power can lead to denial, she appears ignorant on context, history and people's practices. Racism isn't something that can be just unlearnt.

[TheGeekySocialist]

watching it now, very interesting so far

[Robocommie]

White supremacism in another time was specifically to do with biological races.

But how do you define race in a biological sense?

[Hiero]

But how do you define race in a biological sense?

Me personally? I don't.

I was refering to the concept of race as 'scientific' term relating to biological unit, gentics and intelligence being limited to biological aspects and not social.

I guess now the body is still a site of race and behaviour. I have heard interesting talks where people use Hegel's master slave dialectic to describe the relationship between 'races'. For instance looking at white slave owners how at the same time they are imbued by large male "negros" as the "buck" and a site of sexual power. And this lead to assumptions on behaviour, that they will be naturally violent and this can be seen in the bodily movements. So this lead to direction of power over the larger black slaves and they experienced more wippings. While at the same time projecting the adult-child relationship by calling the slave "boy".

I have heard this expanded to today to explain policing and the violence associated with policing, law and disciplinary techniques in regards to indigenous Australians. In regards to a riot back in the 90s in a country town where an ABC film crew film parts of the riot, the indigenous who were prosecuted were done for things they may have done off camera. This relied on police statements and based off bodily readings by the police, and this was explained to me through the Hegelian master-slave dialectic.

[Political_Chucky]

It is interesting how people did not want to follow the exercise, even as a experience of interest.

My main criticism would be that it lacks context. She just says white people are conditioned to a White supremacism, but White supremacism has changed over time. White supremacism in another time was specifically to do with biological races. Now in the era of multiculturalism or coming out of the era, people deal with culture over race. So in the core countries people express racism through describing culture, that the core country can only be multicultural with specific cultures or people either adapt to the core culture. While she does well to expose the affective level of racism and the way positions in regards to power can lead to denial, she appears ignorant on context, history and people's practices. Racism isn't something that can be just unlearnt.

I kinda agree with you and then I don't. It really does lack in context, but at the same time I don't know if there would have been any better way to bring up the exercise and have everyone participate if it was any more complicated then just "act like a white person." Right off the bat, that young man just tried to stop the whole thing, the teacher kept arguing some ignorant statement that her husband would be discriminated because he was a rugby player and liked his hair long, and then the woman who exposed that the test was rigged. All these people just "happened" to be white, and whether that was relevant or not I do not know. But it just shows how defensive people will get when you try and argue that the way we live may or not be right since we have clearly been conditioned to think this way. In the end though, I think what this woman is doing is a good thing.

I actually found these videos while I was snooping on the "stormfront" threads and their reactions were that the woman was an idiot liberal-Marxist, and she had no idea what she was doing.

[Black Sheep]

"What do you think your legacy will be?"
Don't care.

/bow

[DRGonzo]

The whole thing seemed to be some kind of sick joke on the black people there...They were given the chance to belittle and demean a group of people in the same way that they had had done to them in the past and they happily took it – even though it was apparent that the blue-eyed people were not by default racist and did not necessarily deserve to be “educated”. The only people who seemed to realise this were the guy who left at the start and the woman who said the test was rigged.


I don’t think the white woman was racist but she was in a position where she was being accused as being so and that led her to have a “So what do you want me to do about it” attitude. And her example of having to conform to society by wearing a suit and what not was relevant because she pointed out that we always have to change in order to fit in. If you asked the black woman “if you could change the colour of your skin, would you?” she would obviously say no – and rightly so – but arguably having to change any part of who you are to conform is just as bad. I think the white woman just has a defeatist perspective of “that’s life” and has applied that thought to racism as well.

[Hiero]

I don’t think the white woman was racist but she was in a position where she was being accused as being so and that led her to have a “So what do you want me to do about it” attitude. And her example of having to conform to society by wearing a suit and what not was relevant because she pointed out that we always have to change in order to fit in. If you asked the black woman “if you could change the colour of your skin, would you?” she would obviously say no – and rightly so – but arguably having to change any part of who you are to conform is just as bad. I think the white woman just has a defeatist perspective of “that’s life” and has applied that thought to racism as well.


That's the whole point of the exercise, trying to get her to realise the consequences of such thought for other people.

Someone should have stated the differences of thoose situation, the black man who has to conform his manerism and comportment and the woman's husband does not turn up to work in his rugby uniform. The later is about style and culturally appriopriate dress. The former is ontological his very being and existence is questioned.

In a racist society if a white man picks his kid up at a middle to upper class school in dirty clothes they may think "ewww he is a bit dirty", in a racist society if a Black man does it "ewww Black men are dirty". Not that I have had the personal experience of this being directet towards me, rather being around white middle and working class people I have heard that directed towards people (not at the face obviously). Racism is overdetermination of identity. You do once as a failure of self and twice as a failure for your race.

That is the cruel thing about racism, it is like "I don't like your style" it is "I don't like your very existance" and that has to got to hurt alot more. Especially if we consider existing as random occurence.

The other thing, when the black guy says he has to conform his mannerism he takes on the racialised logic (not inherently racist but has drastic effects in a racist society). He said he was raised by white people, so I assume he would have naturally inherited thoose mannerism from the people around him. But in a racist society that naturalised sociality ("because it's natural!"), he assumes he has repressed a true self, his true black self, which does not exist. In a society that is truely non racist he wouldn't imagined a repressed racially "true" self he would feel his true self and not an alienated self.