Anti-Chinese sentiment stoked by Beck

[Rusty Shackleford]

Forget your opinions of China for just this moment.

Blenn Geck is possibly going to start "educating" viewers about china. It starts off with chinese culture seeping its way into america. It goes on to show headlines about china kicking ass. He then invites a man who he introduces as a "Global Investor, and Capitalist" that dresses likes hes at a capitalist costume party.

Benn Gleck also brings up the Foxconn suicides and claims it is state intervention that caused it but the fact is, Foxconn is like any other multinational corporation running wild in china. China has been portrayed as National Socialist by Genn Bleck by making a play on words of State Capitalism.

I dont care what your stance is on this but this is a pretty big shift. Early last decade some worries about china were floating about, but they are starting to become a bit hyperbolic or more acute since the world capitalist crisis began in '08.
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American hysteria and xenophobia depicted in Red Dawn remake (http://www.chengduliving.com/china-invades-america-in-red-dawn-2010/).
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[Permanent Revolutionary]

It's interesting to see a Beck episode that has reasonable arguments.

Although I don't think there's anything USA can do to stop China's rise. I mean superpowers come and go. America can't be on top forever.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Nothing will stop chinas rise on the global economic and political scene. but, this may turn into the next major scapegoat of the tea-party and affiliated movements.

[Robocommie]

Hah, next month Rupert Murdoch sells Fox News to a Chinese conglomerate and suddenly Glenn Beck thinks China is great.

[The Douche]

Whats the news here? China is an economic powerhouse? It got that way because it consolidated power into a one party state which directs capital in national interests? Whats groundbreaking? People might think thats bad? Don't you?

[Catmatic Leftist]

LOL @ 4:10-4:15. He can't even put up a magnet right.

On a serious note, because the war in Iraq & Afghanistan is getting unpopular, I think the United States is looking for a reason to get into another war to divide the proletariat. After the Middle East, it's going to be China.

[The Douche]

LOL @ 4:10-4:15. He can't even put up a magnet right.

On a serious note, because the war in Iraq & Afghanistan is getting unpopular, I think the United States is looking for a reason to get into another war to divide the proletariat. After the Middle East, it's going to be China.

Yeah, we're gonna get in a war with the most populous nation on earth, and our biggest trading partner.:rolleyes:

[The Local Loser]

I think people are seriously underestimating the implications of a US invasion of China.

China has the largest standing military in the world, is vital in the survival of the US empire, due to the financial ties both nations share, and has superior production capabilities to build war materials over a prolonged war.

The rulling class of both nations are after profit, war, while benefitting some capitalists, would threaten the overall stabillity of the markets.

[Rusty Shackleford]

This isnt some new revelation. its been brewing a long time. and its only been picking up.

Im not saying there will be a war.

[Queercommie Girl]

Benn Gleck also brings up the Foxconn suicides and claims it is state intervention that caused it but the fact is, Foxconn is like any other multinational corporation running wild in china. China has been portrayed as National Socialist by Genn Bleck by making a play on words of State Capitalism.


That's totally ridiculous. Because the fact of the matter is, it's the other way around. State-owned enterprises in China still generally have better conditions for workers, I'm not saying they're great, or that they are really socialist, but they sure beat the stuff you get at Foxconn.

Most of the recent strike waves in China occurred in Japanese-owned enterprises, not Chinese state-owned enterprises.

[Queercommie Girl]

LOL @ 4:10-4:15. He can't even put up a magnet right.

On a serious note, because the war in Iraq & Afghanistan is getting unpopular, I think the United States is looking for a reason to get into another war to divide the proletariat. After the Middle East, it's going to be China.

Somehow I don't think literally going to war with China would be so easy for the US, not with stuff like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

[Catmatic Leftist]

Yeah, we're gonna get in a war with the most populous nation on earth, and our biggest trading partner.:rolleyes:


This isnt some new revelation. its been brewing a lont time. and its only been picking up.

Im not saying there will be a war.

I know that it's been an escalating problem, but I'm afraid that eventually American imperialists will find some way to get into some sort of conflict with China, whether or not it will be an all-out war or just some skirmish, that will divide the proletariat even more than it is now. I don't see how trading interests would deter America from fighting what they perceive as threats. Maybe you're right in regards to population, though. But this is all mere speculation and we can't predict the future.

[Jose Gracchus]

The main function, in practice, of the Ground-based Mid-Course Missile Defense system is that it neutralizes the Chinese deterrent against the U.S. Make of that what you will. The U.S. has first-strike capability against the PRC.

[gorillafuck]

On a serious note, because the war in Iraq & Afghanistan is getting unpopular, I think the United States is looking for a reason to get into another war to divide the proletariat. After the Middle East, it's going to be China.
The US isn't going to go to war with China, which 1) would be an incredibly difficult war and the US would not be able to win it (neither the US or China are capable of defeating eachother, each one knows that whichever one invades the other would end up losing) and 2) China is our biggest trading partner


I don't see how trading interests would deter America from fighting what they perceive as threats. Maybe you're right in regards to population, though. But this is all mere speculation and we can't predict the future.There is no way in hell that the US would eliminate the majority of it's trading, and basically make every company that does business in China go to shit (aka, every large company) over a war that is not at all winnable, especially since China is not actually getting in the way of imperial interests or meddling in/taking over countries that are subservient to the US

[28350]

Yeah, we're gonna get in a war with the most populous nation on earth, and our biggest trading partner.:rolleyes:

Although those are heavy considerations, I don't think that this would stop the US. The reason a war with China (or anyone, for that matter) is not feasible is because the US can't afford another war. The irony of this is that the best way for the US to get out of the coming depression is, in fact, to go to war. And China is a great choice.

The domestic markets of the imperialist nations are saturated. There is no room for growth. The situation is similar to that of the pre-WWI era. The difference is that instead of fighting over direct political control of colonies, there will be fighting over control of markets.

A (successful) war with China would
1) allow for a huge boom in domestic US manufacturing, which is currently stunted by the competitiveness of Chinese goods (due to their low prices, which are in turn due to the devaluation of the Yuan and the cheapness of Chinese labor)
2) allow for a reduction or elimination of the US's debt to China
3) give the US control over the Central Asian oil reserves (I'm assuming Russia is on China's side)

China's rise will not last forever. While I am by no means under the illusion that the US will reign supreme forever, China's industrial revolution has been built on shoddy foundations. I predict that China will crash (whether this is caused by the US's crash or not I'm not sure). Even if China doesn't, the fact of the matter is that China cannot remain such a friendly business partner with the US*.

I am sure Washington recognizes that they need an exit strategy with China, and I bet they wish they could go to war. I just hope they don't start a tariff war, which would kick-start and intensify the coming depression.

*A situation which is strange in the first place. The economic relations between China and the US can be described as mercantilist, in that China maintains a trade surplus. However, the US is still by far the dominant (though falling) political and military power.

EDIT: On Zeekloid's post


The US isn't going to go to war with China, which 1) would be an incredibly difficult war and the US would not be able to win it (neither the US or China are capable of defeating eachother, each one knows that whichever one invades the other would end up losing) and 2) China is our biggest trading partner

There is no way in hell that the US would eliminate the majority of it's trading, and basically make every company that does business in China go to shit (aka, every large company) over a war that is not at all winnable.

The war does not need to be a decisive victory for it to be successful. Obviously, it would be a lot more successful if it were, but just in terms of war-time economics, it would do much to get the American economy off the ground (or at least on a track that does not have such an immediate crash - much of the US's economic solutions just involve changing up the market and moving the problems around from sector to sector as a way of staving off a crash "for now")

But yeah this is why (at least in the short term) a war with China is not likely. The US does not have the funds to go into it, and can't afford the effects.

[Queercommie Girl]

A war with China could potentially start a war that end all wars...

[Rusty Shackleford]

what will come of the new leadership in 2012 in china?

there is a possibility that a man who is maoist may actually become part of the leadership

[Queercommie Girl]

what will come of the new leadership in 2012 in china?

there is a possibility that a man who is maoist may actually become part of the leadership

Which person are you talking about?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I am sure Washington recognizes that they need an exit strategy with China, and I bet they wish they could go to war.

No, I don't think so.

I can't believe that people are actually talking about war w/ China like it's some kind of imminent possibility. Short of something really unexpected transpiring, it's not going to happen.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Which person are you talking about?
Xi Jinping
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/China+invokes+Maoism+battle+against+corruption/4084652/story.html

[Queercommie Girl]

Xi Jinping
http://www.vancouversun.com/life/China+invokes+Maoism+battle+against+corruption/4084652/story.html

Ok, he is somewhat more to the left than most of the other bureaucrats in power, but I seriously wouldn't call him a "Maoist", even a reformist one.

Even Bo Xilai, who is the party secretary of Chongqing (a lower level bureaucrat than Xi Jinping), is more to the left than him. At least Bo explicitly stated the need to reduce the Ginni Index in Chongqing to around 0.3.

[Obzervi]

This is modern day "yellow peril" racism.

[Rusty Shackleford]

New Rant.


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"The Chinese all move as one, and have been doing so for a 1000 years." after he introduces the theory with a reference to borgs from startrek.


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[The Vegan Marxist]

Apparently China is doing something the Western capitalists really don't like. Both Beck and Alex Jones are going ape shit over China. Jones is practically flooding his whole infowars website with anti-china rhetoric.

[Red Commissar]

Is this quite anything new though? AFAIK the kind of nativist sentiment like this has always been present in some form. When I see "Made in China", I see it as an example of globalization. But to others it may mean a lost job, economic dominance by China, the weakness of the US etc- it's a very fertile ground for Beck and others to stoke because the sentiment has been expressed before manytimes.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

There was a story on the local news today about China which was funny. It was about a school teaching kids how to speak Chinese, and here comes the best part, from an ACTUAL person from China. Needless to say there are many concerned people out there that we're learning the Chinese language from Chinese people, because they're communists as you know.

[Amphictyonis]

China is key to a global socialist revolution and some leaders in China wanted to maximize industrialization under capitalism before morphing into an actual socialist system after the apparent 'failure' of the great leap forward. Thats the conspiracy theorish word on the street but may be about as reliable as sugar in your gas tank. If Marx were alive he'd probably advise China to advance the means of production under capitalism then facilitate socialism. If there's another worsening crisis in our lifetime, a debilitating crisis I see China turning to socialism and even perhaps much off the EU. I'm rambling....

[Rusty Shackleford]

Is this quite anything new though? AFAIK the kind of nativist sentiment like this has always been present in some form. When I see "Made in China", I see it as an example of globalization. But to others it may mean a lost job, economic dominance by China, the weakness of the US etc- it's a very fertile ground for Beck and others to stoke because the sentiment has been expressed before manytimes.



The rhetoric isnt new, it is just intensifying.

[The Vegan Marxist]

There was a story on the local news today about China which was funny. It was about a school teaching kids how to speak Chinese, and here comes the best part, from an ACTUAL person from China. Needless to say there are many concerned people out there that we're learning the Chinese language from Chinese people, because they're communists as you know.

Yeah, and in China Town, people can use actual Chinese money. People will use whatever they can to try and paint "Communism rising in America".

[Antifa94]

Perhaps there will be an imperialist war between China and America should the rightwingers come to power. We're going to see the dawn of a new imperialism.

[Queercommie Girl]

Perhaps there will be an imperialist war between China and America should the rightwingers come to power. We're going to see the dawn of a new imperialism.

That's what all leftists should try to avert.

Something interesting about the possibility of China's civilian and military power coming apart:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/13/china-hu-jintao-test-flight-military

[Obs]

China and the US are never, ever, ever going to invade one another. Imperialism manifests itself in other ways than war. Besides, who here other than TVM still thinks China is socialist?

Honestly, sometimes it feels like maybe three or four people on this forum know how politics work.

[Queercommie Girl]

China is not socialist but not all powers in the Chinese ruling class are equally reactionary. It's like I certainly don't support Obama but he still beats right-wing Republicans, the Tea Party and the KKK. In China too, there are many who are more reactionary than Hu Jintao, such as those who wish China to be transformed into a colony of the West, or those who are reactionary in a different way, those who wish to transform the Chinese state into a militaristic semi-fascist nationalist dictatorship.

I'd say relatively speaking, in China's case left-wing statism is still relatively better than right-wingers of all types and kinds, whether those that are pro-US or those that are nationalist.

"Progressive" and "Reactionary" are always relative, always.

[MellowViper]

Shit, back in 2004 I knew our economy was going to collapse from our over-reliance on foreign manufacturing from China. People are too blind, and beck is a moron.

[MellowViper]

I hate his smug face. He looks like he's trying to give the appearance of a right-wing cold war era propagandist. "Red communist are everywhere secretly plotting to bring down out liberal democracy"

Apparently this jackass never read about Nixon or Deng Xiaoping. He needs to catch up on 30 years of history. It would probably do him no good, though, because all his attention would probably be fixated on pictures of Reagan's hair.

[Rusty Shackleford]

didnt you hear? Nixon was a communist agent. Reagan and Coolidge were the only truly conservative presidents of the 20th century.

[Dimentio]

This is almost exclusively based on Hu Jintao having a meeting with Obama, which is partially successful. Beck of course needs to bash China then.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

This is almost exclusively based on Hu Jintao having a meeting with Obama, which is partially successful. Beck of course needs to bash China then.
Don't worry, Limbaugh covered that base.

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YOU TELL 'EM, RUSH!

[Bardo]

^Haha I saw that on Colbert. Sometimes I think Rush and Glenn are satirist comedians themselves.